When does it end? How can it?

[4 for Boating]

Seems like we are starting to find out that people were infected weeks before the alarm went off and the first hospital trigger. The latest estimates (Reported by NBC New York yesterday) for New York who is doing antibody testing now is that the death rate may be closer to .5. (Yes, worse than the flu - but one can only hope the number is closer to .5 than what has been reported in the past)

Going to be a lot of looking back on this down the road regarding what the best steps should have been. A lot easier to do after the fact we all know that.

One thing that jumps out to me is the sad aspect around nursing homes and how disproportionally they have been hit with the most susceptible population. One quarter of the deaths in NY have been at such institutions. Very, very sad.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by 4 for Boating

Seems like we are starting to find out that people were infected weeks before the alarm went off and the first hospital trigger. The latest estimates (Reported by NBC New York yesterday) for New York who is doing antibody testing now is that the death rate may be closer to .5. (Yes, worse than the flu - but one can only hope the number is closer to .5 than what has been reported in the past)

Going to be a lot of looking back on this down the road regarding what the best steps should have been. A lot easier to do after the fact we all know that.

One thing that jumps out to me is the sad aspect around nursing homes and how disproportionally they have been hit with the most susceptible population. One quarter of the deaths in NY have been at such institutions. Very, very sad.

Today's Globe reported 49 people dead of covid in a single nursing home a couple of miles from my house. Their website gives total capacity as 135 beds. It's just horrific.

[ApS]

California doctors pressured to list deaths as COVID-19:

https://youtu.be/D5GDPCUUBEE

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by ApS

California doctors pressured to list deaths as COVID-19:

https://youtu.be/D5GDPCUUBEE

Note: YouTube sensors yanked this video tidbit. Gone.

Or maybe the authors took it down. Who knows.

[Seaplane Pilot]

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.

https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.

https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."

LINK

[Not to Worry]

I guess we cannot stay closed forever so I understand the need to reopen. Still I wonder how many of us will die as a result of this decision. Both choices are fraught with disaster. Thank you China for being open, transparent hand helping the world avoid this. NOT!

"As nearly half of U.S. states begin to ease restrictions that were put in place to slow the spread of the coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is quietly projecting a stark rise in the number of new cases of the virus and deaths from it over the next month.

Modeling from the CDC, incorporated into a chart prepared by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and circulated within the administration, was obtained by the New York Times. It projects 200,000 new daily cases of the coronavirus by the end of May and 3,000 daily deaths in the U.S. At present, approximately 25,000 new cases are reported each day, with roughly 1,750 deaths."

https://news.yahoo.com/as-states-pus...182250157.html

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."

LINK

So what? Doesn't make it incorrect. And who checks Media Bias Fact Check for bias? Someone has to watch the watchers.

I'm sure somewhere in the mix even CNN has an accurate story posted, you can't discount everything you don't like.

[Biggd]

Every article is slanted toward the writers bias, whether it's on MSM or the WWW. When you search anything online you are being profiled. So when you access your computer, phone, or tablet every day the articles that come up are geared towards your profile. They know what you have search and what you most likely want to see, "click bait". Everyone has an agenda and can easily find articles that fit that agenda.

[Mr. V]

Some people in rural, conservative republican SE Washington are hosting "Covid-19 parties" in the hopes of catching the virus and getting it over with.

see: https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/...st-washington/

Looks like their infection rate is increasing.

A classic "good news/bad news."

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

A friend sent this to me earlier today. If this doesn’t make you question what’s going on, then we’re all doomed.
https://americanconsequences.com/the...&ICID=ref_fark

Seaplane Pilot's thoughtful essay link seems to have attracted a detractor. The last sentence (pictured last) covers the direction of the article.

"This virus is definitely dangerous to the old and diseased. To everyone else, it's going to be a nonevent...just like every other flu season."

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

"we rate American Consequences Right Biased based on story selection that favors the right and Mixed for factual reporting based on minimal use of sources to support opinions."
LINK

"We rate?"

Bigstan just wrote, "Who watches the Watchers?"
Excellent point.

This screen shot from Seaplane Pilot's article (below) indicates any bias is in the opposite direction.

[dickiej]

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by dickiej

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

Should probably read this as well:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sc...accine-jailed/

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Should probably read this as well:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sc...accine-jailed/

I guess this women is known quack but hey we all love a good conspiracy theory.

From WP "The film is so questionable that social media platforms including Facebook, YouTube and Vimeo on Thursday scrubbed it from their sites. A Vimeo spokesperson, for example, said that the company “stands firm in keeping our platform safe from content that spreads harmful and misleading health information. The video in question has been removed … for violating these very policies”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s-coronavirus/

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

I guess this women is known quack but hey we all love a good conspiracy theory.

From WP "The film is so questionable that social media platforms including Facebook, YouTube and Vimeo on Thursday scrubbed it from their sites. A Vimeo spokesperson, for example, said that the company “stands firm in keeping our platform safe from content that spreads harmful and misleading health information. The video in question has been removed … for violating these very policies”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s-coronavirus/

I have not watched that video but I do know I would not trust the WP to accurately report the sun rising and as for all the media platforms, how do they know what's true or not. Twitter and FB claim to be following WHO guidelines but that organization is not trustworthy. The remainder just toe the leftist line to make the panic as wide as possible in the cause of ever expanding government.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jbolty

I have not watched that video but I do know I would not trust the WP to accurately report the sun rising and as for all the media platforms, how do they know what's true or not. Twitter and FB claim to be following WHO guidelines but that organization is not trustworthy. The remainder just toe the leftist line to make the panic as wide as possible in the cause of ever expanding government.

Since the Post is one of the most respected news outlets in the country (world?), and you repeat a conspiracy theory that there is intentional main stream misinformation, my guess is that you don't read any news that most of us would recognize as credible. If you have specific critiques on an article relevant to this thread, please share instead of just casting aspersions or reiterating political talking points.

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Since the Post is one of the most respected news outlets in the country (world?), and you repeat a conspiracy theory that there is intentional main stream misinformation, my guess is that you don't read any news that most of us would recognize as credible. If you have specific critiques on an article relevant to this thread, please share instead of just casting aspersions or reiterating political talking points.

respected by who? The Compost is the personal diary for Bezos who is making billions from continuing the panic.

do you trust Forbes?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevle.../#3d7e55db7ad5

[dickiej]

Bezos is a despicable human being....when is enough $$$$ enough? Making 1.3 billion in two months while millions of people can't buy groceries? Really?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jbolty

respected by who? The Compost is the personal diary for Bezos who is making billions from continuing the panic.

do you trust Forbes?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevle.../#3d7e55db7ad5

Yes, apparently they made a mistake on an article and they fixed it. That does not change my assertion, reiterated in the Forbes article, that the Post is one of "the nation's most prestigious news outlets".

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Put a neck brace on before you watch this video, because your head will really be shaking!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ixYea...a4wjZL0qJdxi7s

OMG! here we again. This is old bull crap. It has been disproven. Check your facts before you post this crap.. This is why social media is so wrong.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This is why social media is so wrong.

We should have a society where only the trusted big media outlets should have a voice, and nobody should have to do any digging to find the "truth" because free speech shouldn't really be a thing anymore?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

OMG! here we again. This is old bull crap. It has been disproven. Check your facts before you post this crap.. This is why social media is so wrong.

If doctors in Equador are correct, they've discovered why ventilators don't work, and that covid-19 researchers have been looking in the wrong place(s).

Intravenous ClO2 (Clorine dioxide) was found to result in a 100% cure rate!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-...e-dioxide.html

So far, the above link is the only link in English, and it goes on to condemn the CDC and modern pharmacology.

As for virus researcher Dr. Mikovits, much has been made of her disputes with Dr. Fauci on social media. Most of us didn't know 3-1/2 hours of YouTube interviews of her existed!

George Webb has reviewed all of it last week for his investigative YouTube-based website, so further study by interested forum members should be directed there.

Google doesn't readily direct "George Webb" inquiries, but George Webb is the interviewer on the left in a related COVID-19 YouTube: https://youtu.be/kXrmzo3tOH8

[Major]

It appears that we have our answer. It ends with looting and rioting by thugs. However, there is a bright spot. They didn't seem too concerned about wearing masks or social distancing. Looks like we're in the clear of the dreaded Chinese coronavirus.

Another bright spot is that I'm looking to get my share of free high end items when I go to Boston tomorrow for work. Specifically, I'm thinking of picking up a free Louis Vuitton bag for my wife. I saw nice young men taking armful loads of them from the store, so I'm sure they won't mind if I grab one.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Major

It appears that we have our answer. It ends with looting and rioting by thugs. However, there is a bright spot. They didn't seem too concerned about wearing masks or social distancing. Looks like we're in the clear of the dreaded Chinese coronavirus.

Another bright spot is that I'm looking to get my share of free high end items when I go to Boston tomorrow for work. Specifically, I'm thinking of picking up a free Louis Vuitton bag for my wife. I saw nice young men taking armful loads of them from the store, so I'm sure they won't mind if I grab one.

Obviously no relation to COVID-19.

Not even much relation to the unbelievable racism that most of the protestors are there for. 9 minutes on the neck of this guy? After a dozen other videos in the past year?

Plenty of relation to our government's incompetent handling of both the protestors and the anarchists.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

It appears that we have our answer. It ends with looting and rioting by thugs. However, there is a bright spot. They didn't seem too concerned about wearing masks or social distancing. Looks like we're in the clear of the dreaded Chinese coronavirus.

Another bright spot is that I'm looking to get my share of free high end items when I go to Boston tomorrow for work. Specifically, I'm thinking of picking up a free Louis Vuitton bag for my wife. I saw nice young men taking armful loads of them from the store, so I'm sure they won't mind if I grab one.

You have a twisted sense of humor.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

You have a twisted sense of humor.

Why do so-called protestors get a free pass from social distancing and masks whereas the rest of the great unwashed have to comply?

This has nothing to do with health and safety, but instead with control. If health and safety were important, the governors and mayors of our liberal cities (having the most stringent restrictions) would enforce curfews, social distancing and mask requirements.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Major

Why do so-called protestors get a free pass from social distancing and masks whereas the rest of the great unwashed have to comply?

Most of the protestors were wearing masks, which makes sense: it shields their identity.

[Grant]

I think a real tell-tale litmus test of the validity of continuing the lockdowns will come in the coming days, when we see if all this urban protesting results in "spikes" in infection. They say ~80% of cases manifest within 3-7 days of exposure, and there were THOUSANDS of people (many without masks, etc.) in the streets in close close proximity. If there are no spikes in new cases in Minneapolis, D.C., Philly, New York, etc., then it's probably safe to go to the beach, etc. Just a thought. Convince me I'm wrong.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Major

It appears that we have our answer. It ends with looting and rioting by thugs. However, there is a bright spot. They didn't seem too concerned about wearing masks or social distancing. Looks like we're in the clear of the dreaded Chinese coronavirus.

Another bright spot is that I'm looking to get my share of free high end items when I go to Boston tomorrow for work. Specifically, I'm thinking of picking up a free Louis Vuitton bag for my wife. I saw nice young men taking armful loads of them from the store, so I'm sure they won't mind if I grab one.

If you are checking the looted stores, there should be plenty of work boots left behind too. For some reason they didn't take them.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

If you are checking the looted stores, there should be plenty of work boots left behind too. For some reason they didn't take them.

That made me smile.

[TiltonBB]

If you were killed what store would you want looted in your honor? (Asking for a friend)

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by dickiej

I'm generally not one to believe in conspiracies, but honest to god, the more you read and research this whole thing just makes you shake your head. 99.2% of us are unaffected, yet the entire nation was shut down and economic havoc was wreaked upon everyone. Clyde Lewis thinks this was set up to instill fear and pave the way for what he calls "the new world order." I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid in my old age. We'll see.....

The whole point of the last two months is to make sure that "99.2% of us" remain unaffected.

So I agree that you are "just getting paranoid" if you believe that somehow virtually every government in the world, virtually every public health official, virtually every medical professional, and virtually every individual political leader in our country--from Donald Trump to Bernie Sanders--all somehow conspired to hurt the system(s) that all of us and all of them depend upon.

[Biggd]

The NH moto "live free or die" doesn't appeal to me all that much when it's an either or option.

[Newbiesaukee]

Whichever entities: countries, individuals, groups,etc. whose goal is to undermine trust in our institutions... governmental,scientific, educational and otherwise seem to be winning and everyone else is losing.

And this is the conspiracy that I worry about.