When does it end? How can it?

[Trail Goer]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

I think all dictators or want to be dictators start off by marginalizing the media. There is accurate news out there and sure sometimes you have to delve deeper into the story understand what is opinion versus fact. I think we all know Fox and MSNBC have a bias.

Personally, I like the Epoch Times, they seem to be the most level of all the media outlets.

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

Personally, I like the Epoch Times, they seem to be the most level of all the media outlets.

This is what wikipedia has to say.

"he Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper[2] founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.[3] Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[4][5][6][7][8][9][

10][11] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD).[7] The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[7][12][13]"


Assuming your post was a joke?

[Trail Goer]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

This is what wikipedia has to say.

"he Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper[2] founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.[3] Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[4][5][6][7][8][9][

10][11] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD).[7] The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[7][12][13]"


Assuming your post was a joke?

Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

[ApS]

I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by ApS

I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

WebMD is a reliable site. A drug company received FDA a approval for an initial trial of stem cell therapy. There are hundreds of therapies being tried around the world. No strong reason not to try stem cell therapy but not much reason to expect it to work.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

Maxum may know the correct numbers, but the number of Phase I candidates that makes it to FDA approval is less than 10%

[MAXUM]

I don't have exact numbers on this - even if I did and could disclose them it would be from the context of the trials that are run by my employer which are a fraction of what drugs are currently under development at any time. In fact we specialize in the oncology space as a general rule. There is specific genetic experimentation going on right now in cancer treatments that may prove useful in many other areas including antivirals such as COVID. Those are actively being looked at.

That said, I do know that the entire process from start to finish is extremely long and drawn out, and the number of drugs that actually make it through the entire process is very low - I'd say less than 5% based on my observation. Thing is while so many may fail, coming out of those failures is new treatments that are tweaks or reformulations of a prior study. Most people don't realize that it takes a lot of time and expense to get drugs out there with relative confidence they are safe and behave as expected. We have some trials that are 15+ years in and still not approved. Most average about 10 years.

What does help ALOT is that we conduct trials all over the world and it is really helpful to do this work in countries where the regulations are far less stringent, as that data can be aggregated in and helps with the FDA approval process in the US.

As a general rule the FDA is a pain to deal with and arguably some aspects of approval to move a drug forward through the development process are overly cumbersome and frustrating to deal with at the same time there is a lot at stake considering people could and in some cases have died taking experimental drugs. How do you really weigh being overly cautious with providing a risky treatment that could save a life?

Just as a disclaimer I'm a systems guy not a doctor or scientist. The above information is based off conversations I've been privy to or just being part of the process in setting up or shutting down trial related studies or providing data to the FDA as a drug is tracking through the process. I am by no means an expert on this. I just know the regulations are insane, and not just the US either, the EU is even worse.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

Harvard involved in virus research.

"The FBI complaint alleges that he had been secretly participating in China’s “Thousand Talents Plan” since 2011, paid some $600,000 a year plus expenses to open and operate a lab at the Wuhan University of Technology (yes, that Wuhan). We know that China contracts with American experts in this way in order to steal their research and gain commercial funds..."
--Epoch Times

[Mr. V]

Obviously THIS lady thinks the worst is over.

[FlyingScot]

Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

OMG! That is too funny...

Hope all is well Vita!

Dan

[FlyingScot]

Dan My Friend (and Vita),

After our Honeymooners exchange I am surprised my humor is too dry for you. Of course I do not believe that there is an Arab country with a government that is as advanced or effective as our own.

But the 10 minute pre-boarding test is a damn good trick, and it is disappointing/sad that they beat us--American, United, FAA, TSA, CDC, etc--to the punch.

Don't ya think?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

Emirates is an airline, but the UAE is composed of seven Emirates, and is a country.
The seven Emirates derived their name from their seven rulers, called Emirs.

"The United Arab Emirates, sometimes simply called the Emirates, is a country in Western Asia at the northeast end of the Arabian Peninsula on the Persian Gulf, bordering Oman to the east and Saudi Arabia to the south and west, as well as sharing maritime borders with Qatar to the west and Iran to the north.

The sovereign constitutional monarchy is a federation of seven emirates consisting of Abu Dhabi, Ajman, Dubai, Fujairah, Ras Al Khaimah, Sharjah and Umm Al Quwain. Their boundaries are complex, with numerous enclaves within the various emirates. Each emirate is governed by a ruler; together, they jointly form the Federal Supreme Council. One of the rulers serves as the President of the United Arab Emirates. In 2013, the UAE's population was 9.2 million, of which 1.4 million are Emirati citizens and 7.8 million are expatriates."
—Wikipedia

The UAE, considering that they've pumped all of their oil, is surprisingly modern and built-up. A number of sport-racing events, mostly imported from Europe (boat/car), are conducted there, and if you want to go snow-skiing, there's a venue for that!

The ambition, cutting-edge technological standards and worldwide reach of Formula 1 goes hand in hand with Emirates’ vision and ambition.”
https://www.emirates.com/english/abo...p/motorsports/

Aside from their airline, another familiar "Emirates" image—capable of easily exceeding Lake Winnipesaukee's Speed Limit:

[fatlazyless]

Talking about the Emirates ..... the Emirates Airlines is a big sponsor for tennis

http://www.emirates.com/US/english/a...orship/tennis/

including the U S Tennis Open in NYC ...... that now has two large tennis

stadiums converted into a field hospital and food distribution to support victims

of the coronavirus in New York. So that Emirates Airlines sponsor money is now

going to help with the support effort in NYC.

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

I have to ask...who is "they"??

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

Please see response #93 above.

Testing and vaccines will be a part of our foreseeable lives but when and how are almost 7,000,000,000 people going to be tested or inoculated?

Advanced? No, they have lots of money and can buy technology and people.

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

As it is a blood test, this is looking for antibodies and can identify people who have been infected. It is also the test that many companies are developing but still has some problems technically.

Additionally, if the test shows the person has had Covid-19 antibodies it is still not known for certain if these antibodies actually do protect and if they do, we do not know how long the protection lasts.

BUT it is exactly the kind of test that should be perfected and can be helpful in opening up the country. We are not quite there yet with this antibody test.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

Editors of The Epoch Times read Chinese Communist Party newspapers, and listen to CCP propaganda. These are skills for which Americans aren't ready.

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

Personally, I like the Epoch Times, they seem to be the most level of all the media outlets.

They may claim in their Youtube ads to be level. They do have convincing YouTube ads.

As stated above, the Epoch Tiimes has an agenda. Very far from fair and balanced.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Trail Goer

Personally, I like the Epoch Times, they seem to be the most level of all the media outlets.

...and founded by anti-Communists who have fled Communist China.
The Epoch Times has a circulation of 1,314,375. (Higher than the New York Times).

Recently, their Hong Kong printshop was invaded by arsonists late one night: a security video shows the burglars torching everything in the office. Nothing was actually taken.

Such is the life of "far-right" news.

"Complex topics were also explained in a way far less arcane than other print publications. I also noticed that The Epoch Times takes on topics and controversies without the typical slant. American readers are thirsty for such options".
—Sharyl Attkisson (citing Wikipedia)

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

...and founded by anti-Communists who have fled Communist China.
The Epoch Times has a circulation of 1,314,375. (Higher than the New York Times).

Recently, their Hong Kong printshop was invaded by arsonists late one night: a security video shows the burglars torching everything in the office. Nothing was actually taken.

Such is the life of "far-right" news.

Funny how we can't even get the facts straight when discussing Epoch Times as a news outlet. (Do you get your stats from them?) NY Times has over 4MM paid subscribers, mostly online. Epoch Times is a political organization, not journalism.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Funny how we can't even get the facts straight when discussing Epoch Times as a news outlet. (Do you get your stats from them?) NY Times has over 4MM paid subscribers, mostly online. Epoch Times is a political organization, not journalism.

Epoch Times is an extensive paper Asian newspaper, and a trial subscription is available for $1.

Another is Asia Times, which I follow because, due International Time, their articles appear first, while I'm having my morning coffee. Australian news is prominent.

An expose appears as an Epoch Times video, explaining the COVID-19 timeline.
https://youtu.be/3bXWGxhd7ic

Interviewees include American scientists, with General Spalding prominent as an Intel agent, and a resident in China.

I've seen nothing as thoroughly professional, even among the UK media. It's an hour of real investigation!

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by ApS

Epoch Times is an extensive paper Asian newspaper, and a trial subscription is available for $1.





I've seen nothing as thoroughly professional, even among the UK media. It's an hour of real investigation!

From Media Bias/Fact Check




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