National Boating Safety Awareness Week

[BroadHopper]

I will make a bet that there are more Speed Limit supporters vessels that can't pass the Safety Check than Speed Limit proponents.

As I stated in a previous post, I met a loud mouth Supporter at george's diner in Meredith that only had a throw away vest on his boat. Nothing more.

I proudly display a recent VSC and a NHMP safety sticker on my vessel!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I will make a bet that there are more Speed Limit supporters vessels that can't pass the Safety Check than Speed Limit proponents.

Somebody should have already disagreed with you, but supporters and proponents are the same people... ...but going-along with what you had intended :

What value is a Safety-Check, when the "inspectors" include so few who are expert in sailing craft and paddle-craft? What would they say about a 35-pound kayak?

"You can't put that on the lake—I don't care what it's constructed of".

If you have those self-proclaimed experts, at which station would they be found?

I'll also make a bet that no inspectors include themselves among subscribers to the many periodicals available in sailing craft and paddle-craft:

1) construction,

2) design,

3) proper use,

4) equipment,

5) component stress,

6) and safety.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Somebody should have already disagreed with you, but supporters and proponents are the same people... ...but going-along with what you had intended :

What value is a Safety-Check, when the "inspectors" include so few who are expert in sailing craft and paddle-craft? What would they say about a 35-pound kayak?



If you have those self-proclaimed experts, at which station would they be found?

I'll also make a bet that no inspectors include themselves among subscribers to the many periodicals available in sailing craft and paddle-craft:

1) construction,

2) design,

3) proper use,

4) equipment,

5) component stress,

6) and safety.

Why are you so negative? The USPS and LRSPS are great organizations full of volunteers who spend countless hours trying to make boating safer. Because you don't like some member(s) you take potshots? That is like saying that, because someone is a Democrat, you can't like them.

I bet you are wrong- what is the wager?

The LRSPS instructors and Vessel Examiners are well versed in sailboat and paddle craft safety requirements (SUBS in USPS language for sport utility boats). Hours of the VE class are spent teaching potential examiners what is required and, in this case, what is not required of a SUB.

http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc.html
A sailboat's lighting and safety requirements are rarely different than a powerboats, except for position of lighting. Paddle craft are generally only looked at from a safety equipment perspective.

Each member of the Power Squadron receives a monthly magazine which keeps us well informed, but most of us also study other resources, such as Chapmans.

Let go of your anger, your act is getting tired here and abroad.

Again, about that wager...

By the way, I asked you on another forum to join and assist the LRSPS with their mission. You pooh-poohed me and declined. Volunteer organizations are nothing without their volunteers. So, I ask again, will you join us and pass on your wisdom and knowledge?

[Skip]

Thanks for reminding us of the great things the volunteers at LRPS/USPS do for us boaters.

But more importantly thank you for the time that you not only devote to this particular cause, but also to all the work you do in the "other" season supporting the great sport of snowmobiling!

I only wish there were more folks like you that could find the gumption to push themselves away from the keyboard and go out in the community and make the positive contributions that make the Lakes Region the beautiful place that it is.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Why are you so negative? The USPS and LRSPS are great organizations full of volunteers who spend countless hours trying to make boating safer. Because you don't like some member(s) you take potshots? That is like saying that, because someone is a Democrat, you can't like them.

I bet you are wrong- what is the wager?

The LRSPS instructors and Vessel Examiners are well versed in sailboat and paddle craft safety requirements (SUBS in USPS language for sport utility boats). Hours of the VE class are spent teaching potential examiners what is required and, in this case, what is not required of a SUB.

http://www.usps.org/national/vsc/conductvsc.html
A sailboat's lighting and safety requirements are rarely different than a powerboats, except for position of lighting. Paddle craft are generally only looked at from a safety equipment perspective.

Each member of the Power Squadron receives a monthly magazine which keeps us well informed, but most of us also study other resources, such as Chapmans.

Let go of your anger, your act is getting tired here and abroad.

Again, about that wager...

By the way, I asked you on another forum to join and assist the LRSPS with their mission. You pooh-poohed me and declined. Volunteer organizations are nothing without their volunteers. So, I ask again, will you join us and pass on your wisdom and knowledge?

It's not about negativity, wisdom, knowledge, or anger, it's about irony and cynicism regarding what is being called "Safety".

Two boats who would have passed your "safety inspection"—with flying colors—did create the biggest headlines on Lake Winnipesaukee—in three decades!

So I find my cynical-self—ironically—agreeing with those who have asserted in the past, that:

"It's not the boat, it's the driver!"

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

It's not about negativity, wisdom, knowledge, or anger, it's about irony and cynicism regarding what is being called "Safety".

Two boats who would have passed your "safety inspection"—with flying colors—did create the biggest headlines on Lake Winnipesaukee—in three decades!

So I find my cynical-self—ironically—agreeing with those who have asserted in the past, that:

We do away with temporary certificates and certify paddlers that they are capable of paddling their crafts safely!

Oh The Horror!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

It's not about negativity, wisdom, knowledge, or anger, it's about irony and cynicism regarding what is being called "Safety".

Two boats who would have passed your "safety inspection"—with flying colors—did create the biggest headlines on Lake Winnipesaukee—in three decades!

So I find my cynical-self—ironically—agreeing with those who have asserted in the past, that:

A vessel safety check is not going to prevent an accident from happening. Everyone here with an IQ over 10 knows that. The vessel safety check is designed to help the passengers of a boat in the event of an accident.

It doesn't always take a bad driver to get a boat and its passengers into trouble that might require the use of the necessary safety equipment that a vessel safety check would help with. There have been many many accidents on every body of water in the country (Yes, even on Lake Winni) where not having the necessary safety equipment put the passengers of the boat in great danger. It happens all the time.

APS, what is the harm in getting your vessel checked for safety?
APS, why are you so against an organization whose first name is "SAFE" promote safe behavior on NH waterways?
APS, why can't you just say that yes, it would be a good idea for EVERYONE to get their vessel checked for safety, regardless of type of watercraft?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Broad Hopper

We do away with temporary certificates and certify paddlers that they are capable of paddling their crafts safely!

1) Certification has little to do with common sense, and may build over-confidence on the water. We've seen the disappointment with mandatory licensure, where nobody fails the test.

2) There are very few boats with the sign, "Rental Boat". Am I the only person here who has ever rented a boat?

Originally Posted by chipj29

APS, what is the harm in getting your vessel checked for safety?

There is none and it makes everyone involved "feel good". It's nice that you have the time to schmooze —and maybe—impress lesser boaters than yourselves.

Originally Posted by chipj29

APS, why are you so against an organization whose first name is "SAFE" promote safe behavior on NH waterways?

1) Because you could teach each boater one knot: especially one extremely valuable knot that could keep their boats secure in towing situations, as well as preventing a boat from drifting away into the night—or having their boats re-tied at public docks during the day.

I haven't seen that seamanship-knowledge displayed here by SBONH.—anywhere.

2) I haven't seen SBONH "promote" anything but themselves—much less...behavior of others.

Originally Posted by chipj29

APS, why can't you just say that yes, it would be a good idea for EVERYONE to get their vessel checked for safety, regardless of type of watercraft?

Inspections depend on the competency of the inspector. Is being a member of SBONH sufficient training to know what you are doing?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Inspections depend on the competency of the inspector. Is being a member of SBONH sufficient training to know what you are doing?

Being APS sufficient training to know what you are doing?

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

[B]
1) Because you could teach each boater one knot: especially one extremely valuable knot that could keep their boats secure in towing situations, as well as preventing a boat from drifting away into the night—or having their boats re-tied at public docks during the day.

I haven't seen that seamanship-knowledge displayed here by SBONH.—anywhere.

So let me get this straight.
You are stating that knowledge of how to tie one knot, one "extremely valuable knot" is more important than a vessel safety check.

OK. if what I am saying is accurate, it is my opinion that you have completely lost your mind.

[NHBUOY]

...aps comes out of the hole, runs around the tree, then pops back into the hole...kinda like a kwazy wabbit...and a bowline......aps, resident hemp junky......and minister of random obfuscation......lol..

[ApS]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Being APS sufficient training to know what you are doing?

I know my way around boats, but I wouldn't attempt a boat survey. OTOH, I can see when a fire extinguisher registers ¾-full.

Originally Posted by chipj29

So let me get this straight.
You are stating that knowledge of how to tie one knot, one "extremely valuable knot" is more important than a vessel safety check. OK. if what I am saying is accurate, it is my opinion that you have completely lost your mind.

NHBUOY has just answered correctly: now I have greater confidence in NHBUOY than anyone else "doing 'inspections'".

"Inspections" are valued so greatly, yet the only visible and remaining "Safety Club" insists on kayakers PFDs all the time, but 20 passengers were cast into Winnipesaukee waters in recent seasons—from powerboats. How can "inspections" equate to adequate seamanship—and who is going to provide that—a "Safety Club" perhaps?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Somebody should have already disagreed with you, but supporters and proponents are the same people... ...but going-along with what you had intended :

What value is a Safety-Check, when the "inspectors" include so few who are expert in sailing craft and paddle-craft? What would they say about a 35-pound kayak?

Thanks for correcting me. At least you know what I am talking about.

I guess having a certificate in Wild Water kayaking does not make me qualified to kayak lake Winnipesaukee. If that what your saying, I don't see your drift. The Maine Guides up at the Forks would love to kick butts if you think they are not qualified to teach canoeing and kayaking.

Get your vessel check and have a great summer everyone!