What Speed Limit ????????

[onlywinni]

Well the boat is layed up for the winter....

I can report that I operated in a safe manner all season long. I was respectful of my fellow boaters..even those in kayaks and sailboats

On occasion I gave my big block Mercruiser a workout while all alone in the broads and even convinced my wife this year that it is safe to do so and the speed limit is not necessary.

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

Well the boat is layed up for the winter....

I can report that I operated in a safe manner all season long. I was respectful of my fellow boaters..even those in kayaks and sailboats

On occasion I gave my big block Mercruiser a workout while all alone in the broads and even convinced my wife this year that it is safe to do so and the speed limit is not necessary.

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

Glad to hear she is away safe and sound for her long slumber. Do you drain the engine? or do you fill with antifreeze?

I guess those in the broads won't be tormented by your rath anymore

See you out there next year...

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled


Have a safe winter everyone...

We will be there with you!! My son is chomping at the bit already

[Yosemite Sam]

I can see Hazelnut when he went to the Woodshed for an evening out with his family. Here is how it probably went:

Hazelnut: Attention everyone, I said attention everyone; Hi I’m conducting an informal poll to see who is for or against the new Lake Winipesaukee speed limit. If you say no then I will not ask you anymore questions. If you say yes, then please explain why you are for it.
Ok, you over there are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: No I am not for it!
Hazelnut: Good, you are my kinda folks, you can continue eating.
Hazelnut: Ok, you over there who seem to be enjoying your meal, are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: Yes I am for it.
Hazelnut: OMG please explain to me why you are for it. I just can’t believe that anyone in their right mind could be for it. Don’t you understand that there are thousands of people who are not for it and you are the first ones that I have run into that are for it. Stop enjoying you meal and give me 1000 reasons why you are for a speed limit. I said stop eating your food.
Customer enjoying his meal: Oh I’m sorry, I am not for the speed limit anymore, now can I enjoy my meal.
Hazelnut: Great, another one to add to my poll for being against that darn speed limit.
Hazelnut: Hey you over there in the corner………….!!!!

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I can see Hazelnut when he went to the Woodshed for an evening out with his family. Here is how it probably went:

Hazelnut: Attention everyone, I said attention everyone; Hi I’m conducting an informal poll to see who is for or against the new Lake Winipesaukee speed limit. If you say no then I will not ask you anymore questions. If you say yes, then please explain why you are for it.
Ok, you over there are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: No I am not for it!
Hazelnut: Good, you are my kinda folks, you can continue eating.
Hazelnut: Ok, you over there who seem to be enjoying your meal, are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: Yes I am for it.
Hazelnut: OMG please explain to me why you are for it. I just can’t believe that anyone in their right mind could be for it. Don’t you understand that there are thousands of people who are not for it and you are the first ones that I have run into that are for it. Stop enjoying you meal and give me 1000 reasons why you are for a speed limit. I said stop eating your food.
Customer enjoying his meal: Oh I’m sorry, I am not for the speed limit anymore, now can I enjoy my meal.
Hazelnut: Great, another one to add to my poll for being against that darn speed limit.
Hazelnut: Hey you over there in the corner………….!!!!

Exactly! My wife was pretty embarrassed to say the least! The management was none too happy either. I'm not welcome back there anytime soon. DO you think the bullhorn was overkill?

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Exactly! My wife was pretty embarrassed to say the least! The management was none too happy either. I'm not welcome back there anytime soon. DO you think the bullhorn was overkill?

You're a good sport!

[sunset on the dock]

This is Doc' Sunset reporting from Foxwoods Casino in beautiful rural Connecticuit for WFRM news. We're here today to ask people to weigh in on a bill that would make gambling illegal, but so far I've yet been unable to find a single person who would favor such a move. I've interviewed patrons, bartenders, waitresses, and just about anyone I can find. It seems clear to me that gambling in New England enjoys unequivocal and unanimous support.
In another unrelated story, we're receiving early reports of a fatal high speed boating accident...details at 11.



Seriously though, did Hazelnut interview anyone at any of the summer camps? With such a long list of businesses and organizations who supported the SL and Winnfabs ,I'm sure you might understand my skepticism of the results of the informal Hazelnut poll at such odds with the ARG poll and my own observations.

[DEJ]

Hey Hnut, don't yo know by now that facts mean nothing to those who support the SL?

What happened to that documentary that you guys were making this summer? Remember how you were going out to film fifteen minutes of usual boating on Winnipesaukee so you could show us how crazy it still was? Never heard about that again. I have 4 hours of continuous footage from my buddy's dock from Labor Day Sunday Aug 23 11AM to 3PM and the civility is actually quite boring. I had trouble sitting through it myself. A DVD has been given to several of our legislators. Only one of the reps admits to have watched it so far and she claims she saw one boat that "might have been going 45ish", but I don't agree. I think he just looked to be going fast in comparison to all the slower traffic around.

This guy must have been flying to catapult his passenger to his death in this speedboat crash. The boat owner was really thinking ahead when he named the boat "Never a Dull Moment". But then, this happened almost 600 miles away, so it must be irrelevant;
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...-sentence.html

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by elchase

What happened to that documentary that you guys were making this summer? Remember how you were going out to film fifteen minutes of usual boating on Winnipesaukee so you could show us how crazy it still was? Never heard about that again. I have 4 hours of continuous footage from my buddy's dock from Labor Day Sunday Aug 23 11AM to 3PM and the civility is actually quite boring. I had trouble sitting through it myself. A DVD has been given to several of our legislators. Only one of the reps admits to have watched it so far and she claims she saw one boat that "might have been going 45ish", but I don't agree. I think he just looked to be going fast in comparison to all the slower traffic around.

So does this prove that the speed limit is working or that a speed limit is not needed???

[Resident 2B]

For the record, Sunday, August 23rd was two weekends before Labor Day Weekend. More misrepresentation!

R2B

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

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Seriously though, did Hazelnut interview anyone at any of the summer camps? With such a long list of businesses and organizations who supported the SL and Winnfabs ,I'm sure you might understand my skepticism of the results of the informal Hazelnut poll at such odds with the ARG poll and my own observations.

I can see your point. I never looked at any list of supporting business or organizations before I shopped, ate, visited at locations.

Seriously though, my "poll" was no "poll." All I did this summer was engage people in conversation about the SL. I call it an informal poll because it was really not a poll at all. The conversations with people usually began with me playing like I knew nothing of a speed limit.

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: "Thanks for the info."

That is a paraphrased typical conversation I had several times this summer. I urge you to do the same thing while shopping, dining, etc in the area. Your results will be the same.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I can see your point. I never looked at any list of supporting business or organizations before I shopped, ate, visited at locations.

Seriously though, my "poll" was no "poll." All I did this summer was engage people in conversation about the SL. I call it an informal poll because it was really not a poll at all. The conversations with people usually began with me playing like I knew nothing of a speed limit.

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: "Thanks for the info."

That is a paraphrased typical conversation I had several times this summer. I urge you to do the same thing while shopping, dining, etc in the area. Your results will be the same.

This is how the conversation really went:

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: “Why do you think it’s pretty dumb?”
Waiter: Gee I don’t know, that’s what all the big spenders with those hugh boats say, and my boss told me to say it’s “pretty dumb” if anyone asked me.
Me: Very good that’s what I’ve been getting from most of the people I have polled.
Waiter: Now do I get that big tip that my boss said I would get?
Me: Yes you do!!!

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

This is how the conversation really went:

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: “Why do you think it’s pretty dumb?”
Waiter: Gee I don’t know, that’s what all the big spenders with those hugh boats say, and my boss told me to say it’s “pretty dumb” if anyone asked me.
Me: Very good that’s what I’ve been getting from most of the people I have polled.
Waiter: Now do I get that big tip that my boss said I would get?
Me: Yes you do!!!

There is a HUGH yard sale in Gilford today. I think they are having a sale on governors

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

This is how the conversation really went:

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: “Why do you think it’s pretty dumb?”
Waiter: Gee I don’t know, that’s what all the big spenders with those hugh boats say, and my boss told me to say it’s “pretty dumb” if anyone asked me.
Me: Very good that’s what I’ve been getting from most of the people I have polled.
Waiter: Now do I get that big tip that my boss said I would get?
Me: Yes you do!!!

I never thought of that. I did leave him a 38% tip because he didn't like the SL. The gas dock attendants made HUGE $$$$ off of me this year by telling me what I wanted to hear. Pity the poor soul that actually said they supported the SL. They would have gotten squat from me.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I never thought of that. I did leave him a 38% tip because he didn't like the SL. The gas dock attendants made HUGE $$$$ off of me this year by telling me what I wanted to hear. Pity the poor soul that actually said they supported the SL. They would have gotten squat from me.

That is why the SL is bad for the economy!

This poor guy died from his injuries after he was run over by a "speeding" boat. Maybe if the driver had been going slower, the added reaction time he would have had might have been enough to avoid the swimmer...but we'll never know;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33273246...s-honolulu_hi/

[VtSteve]

Make some common sense about this


"Still, Levora said boaters must constantly scan the water for people, birds and nets, but he's also concerned about skilled divers who don't use markers in an attempt to keep their dive spots secret.

“That puts them in danger and then you're on top of them,” he said. “When you're going 20 miles an hour, you can't just shut that thing down. It's not like a car.”

In the case of Lum's death, police said there may be criminal charges against the boater. Lum's dive partner said the boat was speeding, but police said there is no evidence that the 32-year-old boat owner was intoxiated.
"

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Lum's dive partner said the boat was speeding, but police said there is no evidence that the 32-year-old boat owner was intoxiated . "

Exactly...if he had been intoxiated (sic) then we'd have no reason to worry because we all know that speeding boats helmed by drunks are not dangerous.

Sorry, but this next guy would not admit his exact speed, so all we know is that he too was "speeding" when he crashed into another boat KILLING ONE and injuring nine. Since he was within 150' of the victim boat the instant before he hit it, the cult will say "but if he was going over headway speed he was "speeding", so maybe he was only going 6 MPH. Besides, he would have been violating our safe passage law too, so this does not count". They will also say "and there is no proof that that guy would not have died if the boat was only going 2 MPH" ;
http://www.injurytriallawyer.com/blog/13.cfm

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Exactly...if he had been intoxiated (sic) then we'd have no reason to worry because we all know that speeding boats helmed by drunks are not dangerous.

Sorry, but this next guy would not admit his exact speed, so all we know is that he too was "speeding" when he crashed into another boat KILLING ONE and injuring nine. Since he was within 150' of the victim boat the instant before he hit it, the cult will say "but if he was going over headway speed he was "speeding", so maybe he was only going 6 MPH. Besides, he would have been violating our safe passage law too, so this does not count". They will also say "and there is no proof that that guy would not have died if the boat was only going 2 MPH" ;
http://www.injurytriallawyer.com/blog/13.cfm

If you're going to be the spelling police you'd better check yourself el. Your grammar isn't up to par to be criticizing those who accidentally misspell a word here and there. You just come off smarmy and your message gets obscured with your quest to correct the members of this board.


FYI - Punctuation is placed inside of the parenthesis in the case of the period at the end of this sentence:
so this does not count".

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Sorry to derail the thread folks but it really gets under my skin when people here feel the need to start criticizing others grammar and spelling. This is a message board not an English paper.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

PAY ATTENTION!!!!! I never said I was perfect! I said I can't stand it when people point out how others misspell and misuse grammar when they are far from perfect themselves. It is smarmy and detracts from the post. Unless you're perfect Sam don't go correcting me!
Half the time I am using my phone to post anyway. I'm lucky if it comes out at all never mind grammatically correct.

I repeat this isn't an English paper jeez!
Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

Go ahead if you have the time.....I'm sure you will find many many grammar and spelling error's.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

[hazelnut]

I regreted the post right after I pushed the post button. However I have seen way too many grammar and spelling police on here that are so far from perfect. I myself am guilty of butchering the English language on this board. Sorry I don't proof everything I post on this site. Big deal this is a message board!
I can assure you my 30 page research paper last semester was error free. Yup I'm still taking classes all these years later. Ha ha ha.

Sam no offense to you but I was purely using el's mistake to point out why he should leave the grammar and spelling corrections out of the discussion. Yes I have egg on my face as I commited an error in my example. Oh well! The point is not one person on this board is perfect so give the corrections a rest!

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

Whatever!!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by onlywinni

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Now I cant wait until the snow and ice so I can blast across the lake at 100mph+ on my sled

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

[Kracken]

Thanks OCD, just inhaled coffee up my nose.

I am not sure but I thought there was no speed limit on the lake for sleds. Althought there is a 150 rule for bob-houses..10 mph I think.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=Kracken;110198]I am not sure but I thought there was no speed limit on the lake [QUOTE]

I are you sure? I thought there was a state wide one? My god the chaos this could bring!!!! Lets start a group called the Snowfabs! We can not have this. I can not believe that there is a part of the world that is unregulated. I don't know what we could end up doing with our lives! Anarchy I tell you! Anarchy!!! Thank god there are no penguins! but oh my! what about those seagulls that I see in the winter! or the squirrls! They need protection!

Call the NH house as we speak!

[onlywinni]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

....good laugh...

re my 496HO..it has a closed anti-freeze system

[chipj29]

There is a 45 MPH snowmobile speed limit on trails. There is no speed limit on lakes/ponds, with a couple exceptions.

[Lakegeezer]

The speed limit on state trails is 45. There is no speed limit on frozen water.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

There is no speed limit on frozen water.

This needs to change.

How can we just let these SnowCowboys ride at unlimited speeds.

I can't believe that nice Senator from Belmont failed to see that this frozen water is unregulated!!!!!!

[Kracken]

We need to make the snow/ice of our lake more tranquil and peacefull than it has been in recent years. We need to make sure people on ice skates and flying saucer sleds feel safe without having noisy quater ton machines of death flying by them at speeds not seen since…….

Wait a second, as I was typing this I realized some people might actually think it’s a good idea and start sending letters to the Laconia Sun.

Originally Posted by Kracken

We need to make sure people on ice skates and flying saucer sleds feel safe

I'm sure that once a few entrepreneurs recognize the highly profitable but yet untapped "winter cowboy" market and start designing ever-faster, ever-louder, and ever-larger snowmobiles to attract them, then when those cowboys start getting sucked into the "need-for-speed" marketing program for these vehicles and start buying them in larger and larger numbers and start operating them (often while drinking) more and more recklessly on the ice during the more crowded winter events, and we have a few fatal accidents, we will then need to start talking about speed limits for them too....of course. It only makes sense that as environments change and risks increase, safety laws need to evolve to keep up. How can anyone with even a modicum of common sense not understand and agree with this logic? Oh wait...
Besides, don't snowmobiles at least have brakes?

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Kracken

We need to make the snow/ice of our lake more tranquil and peacefull than it has been in recent years. We need to make sure people on ice skates and flying saucer sleds feel safe without having noisy quater ton machines of death flying by them at speeds not seen since…….

Wait a second, as I was typing this I realized some people might actually think it’s a good idea and start sending letters to the Laconia Sun.

Good Call Kracken... Next thing they will do is try to install tolls on trails to service them.

Ooops there we go again throwing out ideas that they might actually use...

We have to stop that..

Good thing that accidents like this don't happen on Winnipesaukee anymore since we got the SL;

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...1.1501898?qr=1

[OCDACTIVE]

Kracken.. A friend of mine in alton.... her father just bought a brand new formula. I believe Fastech with twins... I am trying to get the details for you so you can look for him. Hoping to meet up with him a shibleys at some point. you should join us!

[DEJ]

I agree with you OCD, tolls on trails are in order!!!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I agree with you OCD, tolls on trails are in order!!!

Maybe they can set them up in the broads to cut back on the cowboyesq attitude.

[DEJ]

How about hover crafts and air boats, they can go pretty fast as well, perhaps laws need to be passed to slow them down as well.

[DEJ]

EZ pass on sleds, now that is a great way to generate revenue for the State. Perhaps you should contact the Governor with that suggestion.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by DEJ

How about hover crafts and air boats, they can go pretty fast as well, perhaps laws need to be passed to slow them down as well.

Actually how bout all them there vehicles driving on the ice? As of now any one of them could potentially travel at limitless speeds while driving on the ice. I aint never seen no speed limit sign stuck in the ice!

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by DEJ

How about hover crafts and air boats, they can go pretty fast as well, perhaps laws need to be passed to slow them down as well.

We hit 105 in my winter airboat on GPS between Diamond and Welch a few years back when I had it. The conditions were perfect, smooth, light snow cover and brisk. I probably could have gone faster.

I don't recall passing any speed limit signs...

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by codeman671

We hit 105 in my winter airboat on GPS between Diamond and Welch a few years back when I had it. The conditions were perfect, smooth, light snow cover and brisk. I probably could have gone faster.

I don't recall passing any speed limit signs...

very impressive!..

careful you don't hit open water and skim.. then it would be an issue

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

very impressive!..

careful you don't hit open water and skim.. then it would be an issue

That boat was made for it. It could transition from ice to water and back without skipping a beat. It wasn't a flat bottom Florida style. Sunset bob has some good pics of it in his album.

Only one of the five passengers got killed in this high-speed crash...the other passengers were only injured. I bet it would have been a lot less tragic, or even avoided, had they been going 45;
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...t_crash_a.html

[DEJ]

Good point Hnut. There should be a law...

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by elchase

Only one of the five passengers got killed in this high-speed crash...the other passengers were only injured. I bet it would have been a lot less tragic, or even avoided, had they been going 45;
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...t_crash_a.html

I'm sure you read everything regarding the accident, and the outcome of not only the accident, but what came of it.

First, the NJPBC and Dave P worked through the problem with authorities to help with safety. Most powerboaters supported extra enforcement, which was passed. Additional enforcement was needed, especially given that the accident occurred in a NWZ. Yes, a NWZ, not prominent in media reports, nor mentioned in speed limit supporter discussions on the accident.

You see El, there are some great people out there that support safe boating, and live safely. They have no preset agenda, only common sense. If Winni had a Dave P to help out there, no question the lake would be far better off than with all the Winfabs nonsense.

You post these old accidents, many of which have been researched to death by some of the very people you vilify. They offer solutions that can definitely help all boaters, you do not.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I agree with you OCD, tolls on trails are in order!!!

Trolls on Trails?

Ooops you said Tolls on trails. I can see it now E-Z Pass for my sled!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Trolls on Trails?

Ooops you said Tolls on trails. I can see it now E-Z Pass for my sled!

Careful. they may start timing you between tolls to figure your speed. LOL

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Careful. they may start timing you between tolls to figure your speed. LOL

I actually had that happen to me on the NY Turnpike back in 1979. I was driving a 440 6 Pack Challenger at 3 AM in the morning. It was 'wall to wall and treetop tall'. When I got off at the Lyons exit. The toll guy signal a trooper when he notice my times!

Discussion about tolls and snowmobiles should be taken to another thread. This thread in the Anti Speed Limit section is for speed limit talk only.
Let's talk about this accident that killed a 12 year old girl when the boat she was in was hit by another traveling at "a very fast rate of speed". Wonder if her chances for surviving would have more likely been increased or decreased if the boats were limited to 45?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2291795/posts

[DEJ]

I wonder why the NH Legislature did not think about tolls on snowmobile trails.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by DEJ

I wonder why the NH Legislature did not think about tolls on snowmobile trails.

give it time! LOL... they have to pass all these feel good speed limit laws first.. then we can move to banning sleds over a certain HP etc... Then the tolls will come.. God only knows what the boat and sled registration will be increased to by then.

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

feel good speed limit laws

Now we are getting back on topic.

Three killed in this one where "speed and proper lookout played crucial parts in the wreck". Wonder if the families of the dead would be amused by all this talk of tolls?; http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles...t-srowson.html

[DEJ]

Give it time indeed.

[OCDACTIVE]

you know what was amazing with the EZ pass? When I towed to VA it picked up the trailer as well. I still could go through even with two extra axles. Any idea how it figures that out.

By the way the Tapanzee bridge WICKED expensive. I forgot the exact but it was like $5 a car / truck then $11.50 per axle! it was like $26 to go over it ONCE!

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by elchase

Now we are getting back on topic.

Three killed in this one where "speed and proper lookout played crucial parts in the wreck". Wonder if the families of the dead would be amused by all this talk of tolls?; http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articles...t-srowson.html

Come on el...how can this have any relevance? It happened in another state for gosh sakes. Was alcohol involved? You're such a fear monger!

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

give it time! LOL... they have to pass all these feel good speed limit laws first.. then we can move to banning sleds over a certain HP etc... Then the tolls will come.. God only knows what the boat and sled registration will be increased to by then.

It's coming.... All it takes is one Representative who needs to get elected and loves to hear themselves talk. Then they champion a cause, such as the illustrious baseless SL law on Winni and whamo! Governing speed of snowmobiles is next I can feel it. Unfortunately they are sometimes noisy and they do go fast, and that scares people.

It's a big problem down under too;
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...8/s2232602.htm
Can you imagine that over 22 people were killed in high-speed boating accidents right in Sydney's harbor in just seven years? Amazing.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

It's coming.... All it takes is one Representative who needs to get elected and loves to hear themselves talk. Then they champion a cause, such as the illustrious baseless SL law on Winni and whamo! Governing speed of snowmobiles is next I can feel it. Unfortunately they are sometimes noisy and they do go fast, and that scares people.

Its the scaring rush we are looking for! Just can tramatize the deer!

[Yosemite Sam]

This is a question for all you go fast (GFB) or cigarette boat owner's who use their boat on Lake Winni:

IF the 45/25 speed limit law gets extended past the original two year time period, will you still use your GFB on Lake Winni anyway?

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Trolls on Trails?

Ooops you said Tolls on trails. I can see it now E-Z Pass for my sled!

That is what the ignore button is for... Sorry not the tolls.. you get in trouble for running those..

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Ummmm excuse me but I do believe there are limits for snowmobiles... I am calling the fish and game. Don't you know you will be terrorizing the ice fisherman? This could severly damage their well being and ruin the peace and tranquility! It isn't like you won't see them coming from 3 miles out.... I think I should start a poll that is designed only to come out in my favor because safety may be compromised..

Example:

Q: Mr. Smith, have you ever snowmobiled?
A: No
Q: have you ever been to lake winnipesaukee?
A: No
Q: Don't you think traveling over 40 mph in a congested walmart parking lot could be considered dangerous to the general public because you may hit children.
A: Of course
Q: Do you think that this should also apply to snowmobilers on a lake?
A: Yes
Q: So I can assume you would be in favor of speed limits
A: Yes

Thank you for your time.

I heard something interesting this AM on the radio on the way to work. It had to do with a poll on legalizing gambling in a certain state and how support seemed uncertain and varied with education, college educated more in opposition than non college educated and blah blah blah but it struck me as funny, and I said to myself..."hey, they should only be polling gamblers...how can someone who has never gambled be allowed to decide such a matter" (according to Winni.com forum rules, of course)

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

I heard something interesting this AM on the radio on the way to work. It had to do with a poll on legalizing gambling in a certain state and how support seemed uncertain and varied with education, college educated more in opposition than non college educated and blah blah blah but it struck me as funny, and I said to myself..."hey, they should only be polling gamblers...how can someone who has never gambled be allowed to decide such a matter" (according to Winni.com forum rules, of course)

Sunset.. valid point.. A very good example... However, I feel that gambling is understood more so by the general public then a specific body of water that someone may have no experience with. Would you agree?

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

Sunset.. valid point.. A very good example... However, I feel that gambling is understood more so by the general public then a specific body of water that someone may have no experience with. Would you agree?

No analogy will be perfect, but it seems that some on the forum are unwilling to admit that swimmers, elderly people who may wish to just sit on the dock (my parents), people who live near the lake(and for that matter, all NH taxpayers because their taxes are affected by tourist dollars), ...really just about anyone in NH should have a say as well(and even kayakers and sailors).

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

No analogy will be perfect, but it seems that some on the forum are unwilling to admit that swimmers, elderly people who may wish to just sit on the dock (my parents), people who live near the lake(and for that matter, all NH taxpayers because their taxes are affected by tourist dollars), ...really just about anyone in NH should have a say as well(and even kayakers and sailors).

Yes and No. I do agree all recreational users of this lake should have say. No matter what their favorite activities are. That is where I draw the line. I just don't see any validity to a poll that asks the question of a person who has absolutely no knowledge of the subject matter at hand other that what the polls leading questions led them to believe.

I used the “headlight use at night” example a while back. Any boater with any clue with regard to nighttime operation of a vessel understands how dangerous it would be to operate with “headlights” on the lake. However, I proposed that I could formulate a question in a poll that would most definitely return results that would favor nighttime headlight use as an issue of safety. If I were to poll the entire state of New Hampshire I am positive my numbers would reflect support of such a proposal. Conversely I believe that the educated recreational users of this lake would mostly return an emphatic NO to that silly question.

Resident: Hello?

Me: Good Evening Ma’am

Resident: Good Evening

Me: May I have a moment of your time?

Resident: Why, what is this about?

Me: Ma’am this is a poll regarding safety on our inland waterways.

Resident: Well of course I have time for that I am a concerned citizen that cares about safety.

Me: Good. Ma’am are you aware that there are no current laws on the books requiring boaters to use headlights at night while operating their boats.

Resident: Oh my goodness! There isn’t?

Me: Would you support a law that would require boaters to use headlights while they operate at night?

Resident: Of course I would! Why would they ever even think about not using headlights at night? That seems so dangerous.

Me: Thank you for your time Ma’am.

[Kracken]

Sunset I would have to respectfully disagree with your analogy.

Polling gamblers to find out if they wanted the state to pass legislation to make gaming legal would be more like polling Winnfabs to find their views on the speed limit.

But seriously,

Gaming would have an effect on just about everyone in the state whereas the speed limits on Winnipesaukee effects only a small percentage of the population.

[gtagrip]

I think someone has to much time on their hands after spending 600+ hours boating on the lake this year, now that the boating season is some what over!:

Two dead in this one;
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...368981679.html

[Kracken]

And here is another one: http://www.topix.com/forum/source/va...7PEUK030VHD8US

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by Kracken

And here is another one: http://www.topix.com/forum/source/va...7PEUK030VHD8US

Fairly predictable, not terribly cerebral...if you don't like the message, call the messenger a troll.

[Kracken]

You are right Sunset, I should not have stooped to that level.

It is obvious by the frequency of Mr. Chase’s posts he is attempting to get the speed limit threads shut down and I should not have responded in that way.

Thank you for pointing that out.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by Kracken

And here is another one: http://www.topix.com/forum/source/va...7PEUK030VHD8US

Wow great article.. Almost scarey how right it is huh?

PS (not you sunset)

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Two dead in this one;
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...368981679.html

January 28, 2008 - Melbourne, Australia

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

No analogy will be perfect, but it seems that some on the forum are unwilling to admit that swimmers, elderly people who may wish to just sit on the dock (my parents), people who live near the lake(and for that matter, all NH taxpayers because their taxes are affected by tourist dollars), ...really just about anyone in NH should have a say as well(and even kayakers and sailors).

I agree, although this analogy was very good.

I will agree with you to a point that everyone in NH has a right to a say being taxpayers. However my issue is many also are unwilling to admit that this forum may give a better sample of individuals who understand the lake and the laws that govern it.

if you look at the number of people who have voted, it isn't even close. Now if you subtract out this phantom # of people that came in from other sites (which I believe is not true or if it is makes any signficant differenc), subtract out any duplicate votes, It still shows that predominantly it is not wanted IF you had to choose one way or the other.

Now that being said I do feel that after the compromise poll was shown that there are more people wanting a compromise then those wanting all or nothing.

As far as those you say (people on the dock, residents, etc) You have to look at how many people have voted! If you count up all the people who have contributed in the speed limit forums over the past 6 months it may account for 50 people at a max 100. You can't say that eveyone who voted does not represent people around the lake. Also, after the poll was done showing how fast your boat goes MOST people don't have a GFB or are directly effected. So why does their votes not count as part of those you say are not being counted.

You have said time and time again that those people on your road contribute to winnfabs and want the speed limit. Those on mine do not want them. Does that mean that I should think the majority of people on the whole lake does not want them? Absolutely not. There are different sections of the lake and cultures. Many people are attracted to those people with similar tastes and likes. This may be why your road are supporters and my opposers.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

No analogy will be perfect, but it seems that some on the forum are unwilling to admit that swimmers, elderly people who may wish to just sit on the dock (my parents), people who live near the lake(and for that matter, all NH taxpayers because their taxes are affected by tourist dollars), ...really just about anyone in NH should have a say as well(and even kayakers and sailors).

While I can understand that your parents might object to the "potential" sound associated with a boat going fast, I am at a loss as to why the speed of the boat they might see would be of particular concern while they sit on the dock. If anything it would be visible for a shorter period of time.