What Speed Limit ????????

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Lum's dive partner said the boat was speeding, but police said there is no evidence that the 32-year-old boat owner was intoxiated . "

Exactly...if he had been intoxiated (sic) then we'd have no reason to worry because we all know that speeding boats helmed by drunks are not dangerous.

Sorry, but this next guy would not admit his exact speed, so all we know is that he too was "speeding" when he crashed into another boat KILLING ONE and injuring nine. Since he was within 150' of the victim boat the instant before he hit it, the cult will say "but if he was going over headway speed he was "speeding", so maybe he was only going 6 MPH. Besides, he would have been violating our safe passage law too, so this does not count". They will also say "and there is no proof that that guy would not have died if the boat was only going 2 MPH" ;
http://www.injurytriallawyer.com/blog/13.cfm

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

Exactly...if he had been intoxiated (sic) then we'd have no reason to worry because we all know that speeding boats helmed by drunks are not dangerous.

Sorry, but this next guy would not admit his exact speed, so all we know is that he too was "speeding" when he crashed into another boat KILLING ONE and injuring nine. Since he was within 150' of the victim boat the instant before he hit it, the cult will say "but if he was going over headway speed he was "speeding", so maybe he was only going 6 MPH. Besides, he would have been violating our safe passage law too, so this does not count". They will also say "and there is no proof that that guy would not have died if the boat was only going 2 MPH" ;
http://www.injurytriallawyer.com/blog/13.cfm

If you're going to be the spelling police you'd better check yourself el. Your grammar isn't up to par to be criticizing those who accidentally misspell a word here and there. You just come off smarmy and your message gets obscured with your quest to correct the members of this board.


FYI - Punctuation is placed inside of the parenthesis in the case of the period at the end of this sentence:
so this does not count".

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Sorry to derail the thread folks but it really gets under my skin when people here feel the need to start criticizing others grammar and spelling. This is a message board not an English paper.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

PAY ATTENTION!!!!! I never said I was perfect! I said I can't stand it when people point out how others misspell and misuse grammar when they are far from perfect themselves. It is smarmy and detracts from the post. Unless you're perfect Sam don't go correcting me!
Half the time I am using my phone to post anyway. I'm lucky if it comes out at all never mind grammatically correct.

I repeat this isn't an English paper jeez!
Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

Go ahead if you have the time.....I'm sure you will find many many grammar and spelling error's.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Go ahead if you have the time.....I'm sure you will find many many grammar and spelling error's.

I don't. You at least admit you have commited errors in spelling and grammar.

It just gets under my skin when someone on here has to try and put on an air of superiority, especially when that person has many flaws themselves. Face it none of us are perfect, to go on correcting each other is a bit over the top. Let's just stick to discussions and leave the grammar and spelling corrections to the English classroom.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I don't. You at least admit you have commited errors in spelling and grammar.

It just gets under my skin when someone on here has to try and put on an air of superiority, especially when that person has many flaws themselves. Face it none of us are perfect, to go on correcting each other is a bit over the top. Let's just stick to discussions and leave the grammar and spelling corrections to the English classroom.

Wait a second..........I'm perfect........ at least that is what my dear mother used to tell me.. LOL

I also could be the worst offender of grammatical errors out there. Spell check and the ways of the blackberry have done a number on proper english..

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

[hazelnut]

I regreted the post right after I pushed the post button. However I have seen way too many grammar and spelling police on here that are so far from perfect. I myself am guilty of butchering the English language on this board. Sorry I don't proof everything I post on this site. Big deal this is a message board!
I can assure you my 30 page research paper last semester was error free. Yup I'm still taking classes all these years later. Ha ha ha.

Sam no offense to you but I was purely using el's mistake to point out why he should leave the grammar and spelling corrections out of the discussion. Yes I have egg on my face as I commited an error in my example. Oh well! The point is not one person on this board is perfect so give the corrections a rest!

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

Whatever!!

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Whatever!!

I love a well thought out post complete with witty repartee!! Have a wonderful night!

[Rattlesnake Guy]

We all screw up and abuse the English language. Well except for that one member...

Any chance we can get back to rolling around in the mud about the Speed Limit. (potential improper use of word capitalization to draw focus )

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

"...I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions..."

Originally Posted by VitaBene

"...There is a HUGH yard sale in Gilford today..."

Ummm. This is Hugh.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

"...Any chance we can get back to rolling around in the mud about the Speed Limit..."

I think you meant...getting back to the "train wreck" that is the Speed Limit.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Ummm. This is Hugh.




I think you meant...getting back to the "train wreck" that is the Speed Limit.

If you are going to get involved here, you should read the posts. Your new merry man, Yosemite is the one who does not know the difference between Hugh and huge. Please see post #173 where he tried to poke fun at Hazelnut, 4th or 5th line from the bottom.

Unlike you, I will direct you to the entire post so it can be read in context instead of your "parsing" of text while cobbling together one of your responses.

[sunset on the dock]

Boy, I went to sleep early last night and missed all the excitement.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

If you're going to be the spelling police you'd better check yourself el. Your grammar isn't up to par to be criticizing those who accidentally misspell a word here and there. You just come off smarmy and your message gets obscured with your quest to correct the members of this board.
FYI - Punctuation is placed inside of the parenthesis in the case of the period at the end of this sentence:
so this does not count".
You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.
Sorry to derail the thread folks but it really gets under my skin when people here feel the need to start criticizing others grammar and spelling. This is a message board not an English paper.

What a smarmy buffoon. Lady, if this is indicative of what our kids are facing in school, I take back everything nice I have ever said about teachers.
First off, I do not and did not criticize anyone’s grammar or misspelling. I make enough mistakes of my own that I’d not risk looking the smarmy idiot that you did…except maybe when Girlhopper writes those Swahili messages with no nouns and seven adverbs. Had you taken the time to look, you’d see that the misspelling was in the originally quoted article, and it is customary to “sic” such errors so others know that you are not the one making the mistake. Your smarmy hate is clouding your senses. Take a chill pill and think before you write. Assuming that is within your ability.
Secondly, you are dead wrong about my punctuation. If you were an English teacher, shame on you. My period is obviously the end of the sentence starting with “Since he was…” and belongs OUTSIDE the quote. Had the phrase inside the quote been a complete sentence, then it might have deserved an ADDITIONAL period inside the quotes, but you need to go back to school lady. If you are going to criticize, make sure you know what you are talking about first.*
Thirdly, Your “You’re” mistake is worthy of keeping a third grader back. What grade did you teach? What grade did you finish yourself?

Originally Posted by hazelnut

PAY ATTENTION!!!!! ... I can't stand it when people point out how others misspell and misuse grammar when they are far from perfect themselves. It is smarmy and detracts from the post. Unless you're perfect Sam don't go correcting me! ...I repeat this isn't an English paper jeez! Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

You have the nerve to "smarmily" chastise Sam about being smarmy and tell him to “PAY ATTENTION!!!” for pointing out your error when he was so unsmarmily polite in the way he pointed out the irony of your HUGE booboo in your high and mighty post that was itself erroneous in the first place? Notice his lack of those smarmy smilies that frequent your smarmy posts?

Luckily, I was blocked last night. My response would not have been so tame as Sam's, and my attitude has mellowed since I read it last night. You made a complete idiot out of yourself and set your profession back a full century. You and the rest of your Simian cult need to get down from your smarmy pedestals and look in the mirror.

Lady, If I were you I’d change my screen name and start over. “Egg on your face” is the least of your problems.

And where's your list of Supporters that have abandoned me? Was that just another of "you're" lies? And where's that promised apology for saying I lied about Girlhopper's PM?

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

Holy C---p! The pot calls the kettle black (the white kettle at that). I don't know where to begin with this one. Smarmy young boy, you are the epitome of all that is wrong with our public school system. That is, assuming you even "grajiated" 3rd grade.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

We all screw up and abuse the English language.

Amen

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

Well except for that one member...)

No...two members (see above)

I think I saw this cigarette boat on Winnipesaukee a couple of years ago, before the speed limit. Is he one of your cult? Did he vote on your "poll"?;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...7RlLGo2mH3wSmO

And when is someone going to post that documentary you guys made?
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=153
I'm gathering that it did not show what you had hoped. As I found out, four hours of boaters behaving civilly is pretty boring to watch.

And one more thing;

Originally Posted by chipj29

Prior to 2009, when was the last "high speed crash" or "speed-related fatality"? Please be specific.

I had promised myself I was not going to get dragged into doing the homework for a group of cavemen who are incapable of typing "google.com" in their own address bars. There have been numerous high speed boating accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee in recent years...(before last summer when there were none - coincidence?). Do you own research as I have done and reported to the legislature already. Here is a lesson. Go to Google and type in "Wolfeboro Donzi accident". You'll hit this http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/293022-post4.html This guy was not drinking, and violated no laws. Luckily, he only killed himself this time...a real rarity when the driver is the one killed. Had some poor slob been out there in a sailboat and had this guys carcass come crashing into them, they might have unfortunately been killed too. But then you' say "But he violated the 150-ft rule too...so it doesn't count.". (note the two periods Hazel?) I could post links to many other similar Winnipesaukee events from before we had an SL, but it is not my job to be your researcher. Besides, you'd think of imaginative reasons why those ones "don't count".(note the one period Hazel?) For instance, if I linked you to the two separate times boats who witnesses said were speeding ran aground on Eagle Island at night, you'd say; "But one of those pilots did not have permission to use his dad's boat anyway and the other might have been looking at an obsolete chart.". (not the two periods Hazel?) Take the blinders off. You guys are DEAD WRONG but too blinded by yoru selfishness to ever see it. A crowded lake required by statute to be available for all modes of appropriate recreation needs a reasonable limit on the speeds of the multi-ton boats that have recently invaded it and which are often piloted by immature cowboys...period.


*Of course, if we look hard enough we can probably find a source to support any grammatical argument. Here's my source for putting periods outside quotation marks; issue http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2932 . Where's your source for using "You're" as a second person possessive?

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by elchase

What a smarmy buffoon. Lady, if this is indicative of what our kids are facing in school, I take back everything nice I have ever said about teachers.
First off, I do not and did not criticize anyone’s grammar or misspelling. I make enough mistakes of my own that I’d not risk looking the smarmy idiot that you did…except maybe when Girlhopper writes those Swahili messages with no nouns and seven adverbs. Had you taken the time to look, you’d see that the misspelling was in the originally quoted article, and it is customary to “sic” such errors so others know that you are not the one making the mistake. Your smarmy hate is clouding your senses. Take a chill pill and think before you write. Assuming that is within your ability.
Secondly, you are dead wrong about my punctuation. If you were an English teacher, shame on you. My period is obviously the end of the sentence starting with “Since he was…” and belongs OUTSIDE the quote. Had the phrase inside the quote been a complete sentence, then it might have deserved an ADDITIONAL period inside the quotes, but you need to go back to school lady. If you are going to criticize, make sure you know what you are talking about first.
Thirdly, Your “You’re” mistake is worthy of keeping a third grader back. What grade did you teach? What grade did you finish yourself?


You have the nerve to "smarmily" chastise Sam about being smarmy and tell him to “PAY ATTENTION!!!” for pointing out your error when he was so unsmarmily polite in the way he pointed out the irony of your HUGE booboo in your high and mighty post that was itself erroneous in the first place? Notice his lack of those smarmy smilies that frequent your smarmy posts?

Luckily, I was blocked last night. My response would not have been so tame as Sam's, and my attitude has mellowed since I read it last night. You made a complete idiot out of yourself and set your profession back a full century. You and the rest of your Simian cult need to get down from your smarmy pedestals and look in the mirror.

Lady, If I were you I’d change my screen name and start over. “Egg on your face” is the least of your problems.

And where's your list of Supporters that have abandoned me? Was that just another of "you're" lies? And where's that promised apology for saying I lied about Girlhopper's PM?


Holy C---p! The pot calls the kettle black (the white kettle at that). I don't know where to begin with this one. Smarmy young boy, you are the epitome of all that is wrong with our public school system. That is, assuming you even "grajiated" 3rd grade.

Amen
No...two members (see above)

I think I saw this cigarette boat on Winnipesaukee a couple of years ago, before the speed limit. Is he one of your cult? Did he vote on your "poll"?;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...7RlLGo2mH3wSmO

And when is someone going to post that documentary you guys made?
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=153
I'm gathering that it did not show what you had hoped. As I found out, four hours of boaters behaving civilly is pretty boring to watch.

And one more thing;
I had promised myself I was not going to get dragged into doing the homework for a group of cavemen who are incapable of typing "google.com" in their own address bars. There have been numerous high speed boating accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee in recent years...(before last summer when there were none - coincidence?). Do you own research as I have done and reported to the legislature already. Here is a lesson. Go to Google and type in "Wolfeboro Donzi accident". You'll hit this http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/293022-post4.html This guy was not drinking, and violated no laws. Luckily, he only killed himself this time...a real rarity when the driver is the one killed. Had some poor slob been out there in a sailboat and had this guys carcass come crashing into them, they might have unfortunately been killed too. But then you' say "But he violated the 150-ft rule too...so it doesn't count.". (note the two periods Hazel?) I could post links to many other similar Winnipesaukee events from before we had an SL, but it is not my job to be your researcher. Besides, you'd think of imaginative reasons why those ones "don't count".(note the one period Hazel?) For instance, if I linked you to the two separate times boats who witnesses said were speeding ran aground on Eagle Island at night, you'd say; "But one of those pilots did not have permission to use his dad's boat anyway and the other might have been looking at an obsolete chart.". (not the two periods Hazel?) Take the blinders off. You guys are DEAD WRONG but too blinded by yoru selfishness to ever see it. A crowded lake required by statute to be available for all modes of appropriate recreation needs a reasonable limit on the speeds of the multi-ton boats that have recently invaded it and which are often piloted by immature cowboys...period.

WOW!

Well I guess I'm joining the ranks of those who put el on the ignore list.

Seriously though Don? Has this crossed a new line? Sexist comments? In the almost 10 years I have been posting and reading this forum this is about the most offensive post I have ever read.

Even though it is directed at me personally I am not offended at all. The source isn't worth the time of day. But generally speaking Don, this is wildly offensive and hateful.

All I can say is WOW!

FYI elchase:
http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

You sir are an idiot.

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/gramm.../quotation.htm
In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic.

[DEJ]

I also hope Don stops the obvious personal attacks from this poster.

[sunset on the dock]

whoa...things are getting a little out of control here. No one(pro or con SL) on this SL forum is a girl scout from what I can see. El has often been on the receiving end of the personal insults...so what if he's able to give it back? We're all big boys and girls here and if we can dish it out we need to be able take it.

[DEJ]

Some here on both sides of this issue "toe" the line, some step over it which I believe has happened here.

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Some here on both sides of this issue "toe" the line, some step over it which I believe has happened here.

Agreed! And we know who that is!

[sunset on the dock]

Like I said, I've seen plenty of trashing coming from the Sl opposition as well. And I've seen supporters called stupid, pond scum, idiots,liar, and the list goes on and on. What strikes me is that a couple of those prime offenders who taunt and insult some of their fellow forum members are the first to run crying to Don when they get a dose of their own medicine.

[DEJ]

I rest my case, thank you.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Like I said, I've seen plenty of trashing coming from the Sl opposition as well. And I've seen supporters called stupid, pond scum, idiots,liar, and the list goes on and on. What strikes me is that a couple of those prime offenders who taunt and insult some of their fellow forum members are the first to run crying to Don when they get a dose of their own medicine.

Say what you will Sunset but that post was so way out of bounds beyond anything I have ever "dished out." It was pretty disgusting and uncalled for.

I agree that I have dished out my fair share but if you call that "a dose of (my) own medicine," I strongly disagree.

I love giving it out and taking it back but this one crossed the line big time. Uncalled for and way way inappropriate.


I'm ready to move on and put it (him) way back in the rearview mirror. I was told (warned) by many individuals (pro and against SL) on this forum not to get involved in discussions with elchase and now I know why. I am absolutely done with him and now have moved him to ignore status.

[sunset on the dock]

Part of my point Hazelnut, not directed entirely at you, is why for example, wasn't there this much indignation when EL was falsely accused of illegal fishing. It's a 2 way street. That accusation was not uncharacteristic of the barbs being slung El's way.

[DEJ]

Good move Hnut.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Part of my point Hazelnut, not directed entirely at you, is why for example, wasn't there this much indignation when EL was falsely accused of illegal fishing. It's a 2 way street. That accusation was not uncharacteristic of the barbs being slung El's way.

Agree. I stayed so far out of that forum thread.

[hazelnut]

Let me further add that this entire tangent of the argument was and is my fault. I stuck my nose in and I shouldn't have. Many forum members prior to elchase have, in the heat of the argument, called people's intellect into question regarding a slip of the keyboard with regard to both grammar and spelling.

It was a tactic I saw a couple of forum members using time and time again. When I read and react to a post I usually base my response on the content of the post. Some people, whether they had no real rebuttal or not, chose to resort to trying to paint the responders as stupid because they misspelled or misused a word.

This tactic wore thin with me and I finally snapped when I saw what I perceived as another attempt by a forum member discrediting a post from someone else based on a spelling mistake.

It wasn’t even my post! So I stuck my nose in and have regretted it since I hit the post button.

I apologize to all that have been subjected to reading the thread. I also want to apologize to YosemiteSam. I generally do enjoy your posts. While I disagree with your stance on the SL I think you are a good sport and I enjoy trading barbs with you. I think people misunderstand your humor sometimes and take it personally or take it as an attack. So I’m sorry I was rude to you in my follow up post after you so aptly caught my major mistake as I was pointing out a mistake in the other post.

I’m taking DTM’s advice and stepping back and taking a breath here. I really think that there are great people on both sides of the issue. SOTD, while we have traded jabs I think you do a good job making your case for the most part. I really think that one person on this forum who makes so much noise has driven a spike between both sides of the argument. Whether or not that was his mission he has succeeded. I really think honest to goodness debate on the matter could take place between many of us. If you go back and research the forums you’ll see that one member has made it his mission to ensure that this does not happen. I was told that was the case by many and I never believed it until now, shame on me.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I also want to apologize to YosemiteSam. I generally do enjoy your posts. While I disagree with your stance on the SL I think you are a good sport and I enjoy trading barbs with you. I think people misunderstand your humor sometimes and take it personally or take it as an attack. So I’m sorry I was rude to you in my follow up post after you so aptly caught my major mistake as I was pointing out a mistake in the other post.

That's Ok.....thank you!
I admit I am hard to understand sometimes.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

whoa...things are getting a little out of control here. No one(pro or con SL) on this SL forum is a girl scout from what I can see. El has often been on the receiving end of the personal insults...so what if he's able to give it back? We're all big boys and girls here and if we can dish it out we need to be able take it.

I'm sorry Sunset but go right ahead and spend the next two hours looking over my posts if you want but I have never ever even come close to what trash was posted here today.

I may have had disagreements with you or some others but I have never called anyone's profession, gender, sexuality, into question.

While I am not surprised by the post I am disappointed that people here were subjected to it.

[VtSteve]

The only thing I've gotten out of this latest series of attempts to rile everyone up is this. El missed the point in this horrific accident he listed.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...7RlLGo2mH3wSmO

"Two fishermen told cops they saw the boat speeding under the Goose Creek Bridge a minute or so before the crash.
The speed limit under the bridge is 5 mph."


Huh, imagine that.

[VitaBene]

I graduated from 3rd grade and got a little bit higher than that. If you want to hold a little spelling bee sometime, let me know. I will even let one of your little band of merry men moderate it.

I don't really want to get into careers either, because I frequently state that "I work to live, I do not live to work", but I have done pretty well there with my limited edumication (sic). See I even know where sic belongs. You will have to speak to the Jesuits about my poor grammar and writing skills.

Please do not denigrate the public schools. I live in Moultonborough and I feel they do an excellent job educating my children.

Your new buddy Sam (did you recall his original avatar with two guns blazing, wasn't that offensive to you?) piled on with you last night with the grammar (remember when you pinged on VT Steve over intoxiated then he started in on the You're as opposed to Your?).

With your personal attacks, your banning from this forum is likey near. It would be too easy to type what I think about you and stoop to your level. Frankly I think everyone knows what you are.