Have you seen this.....?

chasedawg · 04-28-2020, 06:08 PM

Trying to copy and paste. This was in the Globe today. It is a visual explosion of the number of virus cases around the world since 2/24/2020. US was near the bottom of all countries. Then the graph shows how US exploded above every other country to such an extent that we are far exceeding all countries by 40%.in just a short 4-6 weeks. And this is being recognized by some as a the flu season that generally last 6 months.

I haven't tried opening this copy but maybe some of you can. It was a presentation by John Hopkins University. It was on the Globe on line copy.

Did anyone see it.....?!!!

garysanfran · 04-28-2020, 06:58 PM

I was able to open it and it did it's thing...

Interesting, but I don't know what it means without more info...# of tests, availability of accurate screening, etc. Just need more info

chasedawg · 04-28-2020, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was able to open it and it did it's thing...

Interesting, but I don't know what it means without more info...# of tests, availability of accurate screening, etc. Just need more info

The graph speaks for it self. It appears to be the number of Coronavirus cases vs the rest of the world over a 2 month period. Nothing about testing. It is strictly cases. Maybe the graph didn't show the results. Or maybe the graph to open for you.

Biggd · 04-28-2020, 07:20 PM

It just proves that Trump is right, we are #1 in the world.

jogator1 · 04-28-2020, 08:54 PM

This is a statistic that can be manipulated according to your agenda. The graph is missing vital information. The first thing missing, and maybe the most important is each country's POPULATION. The graph is comparing the amount of positive cases with no mention of population. Do you think it would be relevant to know the US has 330 million people; while Italy has 60 million, Spain 47 million and Germany 83 million?

Also, as mentioned above, testing is important to understand. The more tests performed the more positive cases. This is especially important with such a contagious virus that can be asymptomatic in one and deadly in another.

Hopefully we(and the world) are turning the corner. As we see a decline in hospitalizations and deaths we can assume things are improving.

chasedawg · 04-28-2020, 09:10 PM

Irish mist · 04-28-2020, 09:53 PM

Anyone who believes China's numbers are real is either an ideologue or addled.

chasedawg · 04-28-2020, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish mist

Anyone who believes China's numbers are real is either an ideologue or addled.

What do the numbers of China have to do with it? Should we be proud what US numbers are?

DEJ · 04-28-2020, 10:07 PM

Dawg, For someone who thinks this site has caused a lot of bitterness you sure as hell know how to stir the pot. Hope you are proud of starting a thread that will only go into the gutter.

Irish mist · 04-28-2020, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chasedawg

What do the numbers of China have to do with it? Should we be proud what US numbers are?

As I suspect you know...China's numbers are higher than ours thus spoiling your snarky premise That the USA leads the world and exposes your Trump hit job.

It's one thing to post info, it's another thing to keep up this political nonsense that the owner of this site has said repeatedly that he does not want. Get it now?

Sue Doe-Nym · 04-28-2020, 10:33 PM

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Now.....this post shouldn’t take long to end up in the political gutter. I thought we were trying to elevate our discussions. Your topic refutes that....so was that your intention?

TCC · 04-29-2020, 07:16 AM

Not political at all. These are meaningless numbers.

If you were to factor in each nation's total population, the number of tests performed, accuracy of testing, and accuracy of reporting I'm certain you'd see a totally different picture.

thinkxingu · 04-29-2020, 07:34 AM

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Reading the posts over the last month or so especially recently during the Covid 19 pandemic this forum has taken on so much bitterness that it is not helping the cause to survive this epidemic. People want to hear hope not digging into each other. My wife got off this forum last year because she noticed it was starting to get gun slinging attitude. I told her you should see it now.

Weird.

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moose tracks · 04-29-2020, 07:43 AM

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Chasedawg says "congratulations" - Congratulations that people are dying, our economy is tanking and people are out of work? This post is pure garbage and should be removed.

Paugus Bay Resident · 04-29-2020, 08:02 AM

Numbers are meaningless with out context. How come you posted this in 2 threads?

Think I'm done with this sub-forum. In 17 years the forum, I thought the speed limit debate would never be topped in terms of divisiveness and personal attacks. Go figure. Too bad since relevant information gets lost in the garbage.

thinkxingu · 04-29-2020, 08:07 AM

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As mentionrd above ....... pure garbage and should be removed.

Said it just the other day about this section of the forum. But in another thread.

Almost makes my "extra" jetski threads a joy now, doesn't it?!

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birchhaven · 04-29-2020, 08:11 AM

Isn't it more accurate to compare the European union to the United States? 1.3+ million

ApS · 04-29-2020, 08:27 AM

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Isn't it more accurate to compare the European union to the United States? 1.3+ million

Not when the MSM can weaponize it.

VitaBene · 04-29-2020, 08:45 AM

I think it is important to remember that US citizens travel transcontinental for business and pleasure more than any others. Business travel likely was the source/ spreader in many cases.

Susie Cougar · 04-29-2020, 09:02 AM

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Almost makes my "extra" jetski threads a joy now, doesn't it?!

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I don’t know anything about jetskis but I still enjoy reading the post more than having to read about the coronavirus.

swnoel · 04-29-2020, 09:05 AM

I'm sure this was brought to us by the CCP and Democrat Party... is this an election year and do they all hate him?

JEEPONLY · 04-29-2020, 09:30 AM

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I don’t know anything about jetskis but I still enjoy reading the post more than having to read about the coronavirus.

You've got time!

Read Thinks' posts/responses and you'll learn EVERYTHING about them.
Heck, you'd probably even go out and get one (like, in a year or so!)

Think, I bet you'll be riding some calm water for a while- few boats/serene northern area of lake!

thinkxingu · 04-29-2020, 09:57 AM

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Think, I bet you'll be riding some calm water for a while- few boats/serene northern area of lake!

I sure hope so—I'm looking forward to practicing!

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VitaBene · 04-29-2020, 10:13 AM

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I sure hope so—I'm looking forward to practicing!

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You will be proficient in three hours.

I would be working on my trailer game now while the ramps are dead. That is not so easy to master

Some find the flags helpful for knowing where the trailer is especially when empty (you can always pull the empty trailer and walk it to the water then back the car to it). Short trailers can make even Class A CDL drivers look bad!

Susie Cougar · 04-29-2020, 10:13 AM

I hope you can post a few pictures of your first times out. That would be fun to see.

TheProfessor · 04-29-2020, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jogator1

This is a statistic that can be manipulated according to your agenda.

Yes. This has a nothing meaning. Right?

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Originally Posted by Biggd

It just proves that Trump is right, we are #1 in the world.

We don't need no stinkin' statistics and data.

Let's all have a big rally together at the commons. And invite all of our visitors from NY and NJ and MA.

Open everything !

Fun. Fun. Fun.

Major · 04-29-2020, 10:50 AM

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Yes. This has a nothing meaning. Right?

We don't need no stinkin' statistics and data.

Let's all have a big rally together at the commons. And invite all of our visitors from NY and NJ and MA.

Open everything !

Fun. Fun. Fun.

You and I agree. Let's open everything immediately! If you're under 65 and healthy, and are unfortunate enough to contract the certain death sentence Chinese coronavirus, there is a 0.02 percent chance or most likely less you could die, the same as with the certain death sentence flu. If you are over 65 and/or have an underlying condition, then the responsibility is yours to be safe and to make sure that those around you are safe, the same that you would do during flu season or if someone you knew had the flu. Heard immunity is the fast track to getting this behind us.

Another favorite saying of mine is lies, damn lies and statistics. Smart people can manipulate data, create charts and curves, and do most anything to support a position or policy. I prefer to look at the raw numbers. This is a bad flu year, nothing more.

I will say that we do not seem to be doing a particularly good job in protecting elderly in nursing homes. How can this be? With all the social distancing, sheltering in place, masks, gloves, etc.? Maybe we're just making it up as we go and nobody has the answers. Just a thought.

Top-Water · 04-29-2020, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

Short trailers can make even Class A CDL drivers look bad!

Words to live by.........

chasedawg · 04-29-2020, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was able to open it and it did it's thing...

Interesting, but I don't know what it means without more info...# of tests, availability of accurate screening, etc. Just need more info

My apologies for starting this thread. It was wrong! I didn't intend to have it go negative. Some one once said emails or written words can be taken incorrectly and this type of information can be misinterpreted.

Webmaster please take this tread down. It was a mistake. Thank you!

Major · 04-29-2020, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chasedawg

My apologies for starting this thread. It was wrong! I didn't intend to have it go negative. Some one once said emails or written words can be taken incorrectly and this type of information can be misinterpreted.

Webmaster please take this tread down. It was a mistake. Thank you!

I'm curious, how is it negative? Isn't it okay to debate the meaning of the curves?

Major · 04-29-2020, 11:23 AM

Or perhaps, it is negative when you countermand the popular position? Like the California doctors? YouTube admitted it took down the video because it did not support the shelter in place orders. Whether you support what is being done to us or you don't, this should scare all of us. Suppressing free speech and different ideas is not good, regardless of political affiliation.

Sue Doe-Nym · 04-29-2020, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chasedawg

My apologies for starting this thread. It was wrong! I didn't intend to have it go negative. Some one once said emails or written words can be taken incorrectly and this type of information can be misinterpreted.

Webmaster please take this tread down. It was a mistake. Thank you!

Chase dawg, this thread was melded into your other one, which is what my objection was, your topic : “Congratulations, the U.S. is number one” (for being first in Coronavirus cases?) That’s not it, word for word, but the topic was negative and sure to receive the reaction it did from many forum members.

Sue Doe-Nym · 04-29-2020, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Major

Or perhaps, it is negative when you countermand the popular position? Like the California doctors? YouTube admitted it took down the video because it did not support the shelter in place orders. Whether you support what is being done to us or you don't, this should scare all of us. Suppressing free speech and different ideas is not good, regardless of political affiliation.

It does scare me...my husband, too.....we should all be outraged at the power of YouTube, Google, Facebook, and many others. Shrugging it off is not the solution.

FlyingScot · 04-29-2020, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

It does scare me...my husband, too.....we should all be outraged at the power of YouTube, Google, Facebook, and many others. Shrugging it off is not the solution.

But it is also scary that these platforms can be manipulated by professional agitators to spread misinformation systematically. They are much more vulnerable to this than traditional media. This technique has been used by the right, the left, and the just plain wrong.

Descant · 04-29-2020, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Irish mist

Anyone who believes China's numbers are real is either an ideologue or addled.

Gotta be real. Reported by CNN.

Biggd · 04-29-2020, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

But it is also scary that these platforms can be manipulated by professional agitators to spread misinformation systematically. They are much more vulnerable to this than traditional media. This technique has been used by the right, the left, and the just plain wrong.

They manipulate every day, no matter what side you're on. They are sites that add fuel to the fire, along with the real news source, Twitter.

gravy boat · 04-29-2020, 04:48 PM

Scarier still is how gullible some can be and believe all of the rubbish on news channels. GB

Phantom · 04-30-2020, 09:45 AM

DAMN ……. this forum is truly getting to be same old, same old ….. same small group arguing, debating some will counter, about the same old agenda's constantly (regardless of the threads)

Truly sad !

ApS · 04-30-2020, 10:03 AM

Chasedawg writes:

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"Congratulations. America is number one again".

Vietnam reports zero cases!

China is an old enemy, so Vietnam closed down in December.

webmaster · 04-30-2020, 10:05 AM

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(regardless of the threads)

Truly sad !

Regardless of the threads? Where are you seeing that in the General Discussion, Boating, Restaurants, Home Cottage or Land Maintenance, History, Wildlife, Pets, Fishing. etc. areas? If you don't like the COVID discussions why not just avoid this one area instead of condemning the entire forum?

WinnisquamZ · 04-30-2020, 10:07 AM

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Regardless of the threads? Where are you seeing that in the General Discussion, Boating, Restaurants, Home Cottage or Land Maintenance, History, Wildlife, Pets, Fishing. etc. areas? If you don't like the COVID discussions why not just avoid this one area instead of condemning the entire forum?

Well said

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JEEPONLY · 04-30-2020, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

But it is also scary that these platforms can be manipulated by professional agitators to spread misinformation systematically. They are much more vulnerable to this than traditional media. This technique has been used by the right, the left, and the just plain wrong.

And to this day... I still buy Skippy peanut butter!

fatlazyless · 04-30-2020, 05:20 PM

The state just to the south of New Hampshire: "Massachusetts suffers a record 252 C-19 deaths on Wednesday, April 29, 2020" ....... google that ...... and it is most likely higher than 252 because that number was reported at 8:41-pm.

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,169 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 310 Thanked 1,103 Times in 812 Posts	The state just to the south of New Hampshire: "Massachusetts suffers a record 252 C-19 deaths on Wednesday, April 29, 2020" ....... google that ...... and it is most likely higher than 252 because that number was reported at 8:41-pm. __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store!

04-28-2020, 06:08 PM	#1
chasedawg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melvin village Posts: 526 Thanks: 515 Thanked 318 Times in 150 Posts	Have you seen this.....? Trying to copy and paste. This was in the Globe today. It is a visual explosion of the number of virus cases around the world since 2/24/2020. US was near the bottom of all countries. Then the graph shows how US exploded above every other country to such an extent that we are far exceeding all countries by 40%.in just a short 4-6 weeks. And this is being recognized by some as a the flu season that generally last 6 months. I haven't tried opening this copy but maybe some of you can. It was a presentation by John Hopkins University. It was on the Globe on line copy. Did anyone see it.....?!!!

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jogator1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 77 Thanks: 63 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	This is a statistic that can be manipulated according to your agenda. The graph is missing vital information. The first thing missing, and maybe the most important is each country's POPULATION. The graph is comparing the amount of positive cases with no mention of population. Do you think it would be relevant to know the US has 330 million people; while Italy has 60 million, Spain 47 million and Germany 83 million? Also, as mentioned above, testing is important to understand. The more tests performed the more positive cases. This is especially important with such a contagious virus that can be asymptomatic in one and deadly in another. Hopefully we(and the world) are turning the corner. As we see a decline in hospitalizations and deaths we can assume things are improving.

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TCC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 162 Thanks: 268 Thanked 80 Times in 33 Posts	Not political at all. These are meaningless numbers. If you were to factor in each nation's total population, the number of tests performed, accuracy of testing, and accuracy of reporting I'm certain you'd see a totally different picture.

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