NASCAR at NHMS this Weekend

Rattlesnake Gal · 07-12-2011, 10:35 AM

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that this is a big NASCAR weekend at New Hampshire Motor Speedway.

You may want to plan your travels accordingly.

moose tracks · 07-12-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that this is a big NASCAR weekend at New Hampshire Motor Speedway.

Leaving for NH Thursday night. Going to the track on Saturday to see the Mods. I prefer the Mods over the Cup cars. I will watch the Cup race on TV. To many people and trafic on Sunday for me. Anyone else going to Loudon this weekend?

Skip · 07-12-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moose tracks

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Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that this is a big NASCAR weekend at New Hampshire Motor Speedway.

Leaving for NH Thursday night. Going to the track on Saturday to see the Mods. I perfer the Mods over the Cup cars. I will watch the Cup race on TV. To many people and trafic on Sunday for me. Anyone else going to Loudon this weekend?

Might not be too many people this Sunday. The track is giving away thousands of free tickets across the State to a variety of agencies and politicos in an attempt once again to fill the stands. They offered the entity I work for 800 tickets alone!

trfour · 07-12-2011, 10:03 PM

And or donate it to someone who would appreciate it!
http://www.nhms.com/handler.cfm/temp...med_id=1427665

You got to be there in person, ( at least once to talk about it ).
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=1304

Wanna beast's.

...

Terry
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Blue Thunder · 07-13-2011, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Might not be too many people this Sunday. The track is giving away thousands of free tickets across the State to a variety of agencies and politicos in an attempt once again to fill the stands. They offered the entity I work for 800 tickets alone!

Although I've been an auto racing fan since I was a kid, I really didn't get into NASCAR Cup racing until the early 90's. My brother, my wife, and I had tickets to both races in July and Sept. (Laconia Grandstand, turn 4) for many years.
For those of us that have been to a Cup race at Loudon, there truly is "nothing like being there". Having said that, even with all of the improvements that the Bahre Family made over the years, the hassle of the traffic, the summer heat, and in the end, ticket pricing, made us give our tickets up. In the 90's and early 2000's there was a waiting list of 30,000 people looking to get tickets. Now the races don't sell out and they have to advertise heavily. NASCAR has grown epicly in the last 20 years but the economy is affecting them just like all of us.

BT

jmen24 · 07-13-2011, 10:25 AM

Skip, are you sure that the tickets were for Sunday's race. They might be, but the reason I ask is that they gave every household in Loudon 2 tickets for Saturday's races and a few other private orgs got the same. If they gave away Sunday tickets as well, then that is truely a gesture from a group. The economy is hitting NASCAR really hard these last few years.

Unless it is a military type organization than the Sunday tickets make sense, happens quite a bit.

Skip · 07-13-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jmen24

Skip, are you sure that the tickets were for Sunday's race. They might be, but the reason I ask is that they gave every household in Loudon 2 tickets for Saturday's races and a few other private orgs got the same. If they gave away Sunday tickets as well, then that is truely a gesture from a group. The economy is hitting NASCAR really hard these last few years.

Unless it is a military type organization than the Sunday tickets make sense, happens quite a bit.

Definitely Sunday tickets, which we've been offered before but never such a staggering amount. As of today there have only been a handful of people choosing to take them.

Have had several acquaintances from other agencies telling me the same offer is being made across the State.

As another poster noted above I too was a season ticket holder (four tickets) for both races for over a decade but gave them up several years ago after the hassle at Loudon took it's toll on us. Today I wouldn't even go with the free ticket offer. NASCAR has left me behind with a lot of changes they've made the last few years that I think have really taken a lot of the challenge and sport out of the races.

That said I wish the new owners well and hope that even with the economy in the state that it is that they have a good turnout for the weekend!

Happy Gourmand · 07-13-2011, 12:15 PM

from WMUR
"Romney strategist Jim Merrill said the former Massachusetts Governor will meet with drivers in the infield and then hang out in the owner’s box."

SIKSUKR · 07-13-2011, 02:21 PM

They are giving away many tickets for Sundays race. Last week the Fischer Cats had a promo to the first 300 people that bought tickets would also get free tickets to the Sprint race on Sunday. I questioned if they were for Saturday also until I read the offer. You could buy tickets to the FC's for as little as $6. Parking however will cost you a little more.

jmen24 · 07-13-2011, 03:26 PM

No kidding. They have got to be hurting bad to be giving out that volume of tickets for Sunday. Good for you guys.

Skip, could not agree more with the direction that NASCAR has taken in recent years. Everyone I know that went every year has also given up the tickets. The new cars on Loudon are extremely boring, IMO. Saturday is usually a good show and has been for years.

Winnisquamguy · 07-13-2011, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jmen24

The new cars on Loudon are extremely boring, IMO. Saturday is usually a good show and has been for years.

The new cars the old cars does it really matter they both stink, the track itself is boring with those cars. The modifieds was the only show that was worth going to, I guess the trucks put on a pretty decent show. The track is to flat and needs banking and when Smith took it over there was hope but not anymore. The camping out and partying with your friends was the best part but they ruined that when they started charging you for that and now those numbers are now way down.I see them loosing a race very soon, or should I say Smith moving it to one of his other tracks. Although people are not to happy with him after last weeks episode in Kentucky.

trfour · 07-14-2011, 05:21 PM

Video/s; http://www.nascar.com/video/preview/...iew/index.html

Terry
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PS. Yes, we are all feeling the pinch of todays economy! Remember though that the good days will one day return to Loudon NH. and NHMS through NasCar's interests in the fan base this area is, and will become. And also important to remember is that none of the previous NasCar ticket sellouts at NHIS, were attended or purchased by the majority that have posted in this very thread...

gtxrider · 07-15-2011, 09:20 AM

A couple of years ago, two I think, Mr. Bahre gave away a few tickets at the Sandy Point Resturant. We had a tickets we could not use so we gave them back.

Attended both races last year but will miss this weekend not due to econonmic pressure. My couch will have to do on Sunday. I plan on being there for the fall race and perhaps the Indy car race in August.

GO Junior

trfour · 07-15-2011, 09:55 PM

The race lineup for Sundays Lenox Industrial Tools 301 at NHMS.
http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2011...ta/lineup.html

Terry
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Argie's Wife · 07-17-2011, 06:19 PM

The race got out and traffic is STACKED up in Alton - whoa! We've got people inching by the house, whooping it up and waving. Lots of grills in the backs of pickup trucks and lots of out-of-state plates.

It's nice to see the good turn out - hoping the tourist industry did well this weekend!!!

Superduty1 · 07-18-2011, 11:30 AM

Well, whether they gave the tickets away or you bought them, the stands for Sundays Sprint Cup race were at near capacity. It was good to see all the fans come out on a great sunny day in New Hampshire. I sure hope the new owners don't take a race away from Loudon because Nascar is good for New Hampshire. Even if you got the tickets for free, you spent money somewhere in this great state, either on gas, six pack, lodging, dinner, D and D, local supermarket, souvenirs at the track, you get the point.

Grove84 · 07-18-2011, 11:44 AM

On my drive up to the lake this past weekend and then while on the water I heard that Anchor Marine is renting boats and according to their radio ad,you must be 21 years old with a valid drivers license. What about a safe boaters license? Curious as to how they could rent boats to people on this body of water and they may never have operated a boat before or know the lake or the basic boating rules of the road

ishoot308 · 07-18-2011, 12:19 PM

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On my drive up to the lake this past weekend and then while on the water I heard that Anchor Marine is renting boats and according to their radio ad,you must be 21 years old with a valid drivers license. What about a safe boaters license? Curious as to how they could rent boats to people on this body of water and they may never have operated a boat before or know the lake or the basic boating rules of the road

They simply take the 20 question boating exam and get a temporary permit good for a few days. Every rental place on the lake offers this...

Dan

trfour · 07-18-2011, 09:16 PM

Press Pass video/s; http://www.nascar.com/video/post-rac...man/index.html

Winning from the pole, Ryan Newman.

Terry
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Barney Bear · 07-19-2011, 09:07 AM

We left East Bear Island later than usual on Sunday to avoid most of the traffic leaving the speedway. We got on I-93 at Exit 20 [Tilton] and headed south at about 8:30 PM. The temporary modifications to traffic flow in the Concorsd area allowed us to move through at a reasonable pace. Congratulations to the NH Highway Department for a job well done!!!

LIforrelaxin · 07-19-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Superduty1

. I sure hope the new owners don't take a race away from Loudon because Nascar is good for New Hampshire.

Unfortunately as a race fan for many years, I see the direction I believe Nascar is taking, or trying to take. Eventually NH is bound to lose one of the races. Slowly raceways are being built all over the country. I do believe the eventual goal of Nascar is to have tracks all over the country such that every venue and every corner of the country will have a race. This will mean that tracks like NHMS will end up forfeiting a second date. I believe that eventually the only tracks that will hold two events will be Daytona, and Talladega.

SIKSUKR · 07-19-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Superduty1

Well, whether they gave the tickets away or you bought them, the stands for Sundays Sprint Cup race were at near capacity.

I didn't go to this race but I turned it on the tv with about 40 laps left and there was thousands and thousands of empty seats then.

Webbsatwinni · 07-19-2011, 09:48 AM

We went Sat for the modifieds, it was hot but a great day. They should have more misting stations though, the people were way overheated. I don't know why they were dehydrated, they were drinking lots of liquids.

SPT13 · 07-19-2011, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I didn't go to this race but I turned it on the tv with about 40 laps left and there was thousands and thousands of empty seats then.

I went Sunday, there were a lot of empty seats compared to yrs ago. There was a decent breeze, so heat wasnt to bad were we sat. A lot of people started to leave with 40-50 laps left, to beat traffic I assume

sa meredith · 07-19-2011, 03:19 PM

Thousands upon thousands of unsold tickets...despite advertising blitz past month or so...newspaper, radio, TV. Very little walk up crowd purchase.
This coming from a race day volunteer that I know, who directs traffic in the lots.
Says Fall race has 20K plus seats still available.
This is by no means a situation unique to NH. This sport routinely sold out every track it went to, for years and years, as the sport simply exploded in the early/mid 90's, into the early 2000's.
Now watch a Sunday race...pockets of empty seats are every where.
I was absolutely shocked...shocked...to be watching speed vision, and see an ad letting people know that tickets are available for the Bristol night race. After Daytona, it was considered one of the toughest race tickets to come by...Saturday Night at Bristol.
Now, they are trying hard to sell it out.
Sign of times???? I say not so much...
The sport has changed a bit, but really, for me, it just ran it's course. I enjoyed it for a solid 9/10 years, watched every week, but as my sports plate was full enough, I finally just had enough.
I think as time goes on, these venues that now all hold 100K plus, will never sell out.

LIforrelaxin · 07-19-2011, 03:57 PM

sa_meredith I don't disagree with you that for some people NASCAR has run it course it is out of there system and they are paying less attention to the sport. However I believe most of those people, where also the ones, that didn't go to the track to begin with. For many many people that I know who go or have gone to races religiously, the current economy has play a roll into the decision to purchase race tickets or not.

Lets start with the ticket price... At Loudon, the last time I went my tickets alone where 110$ a piece and very nice seats, when I went to Daytona my tickets where something like 180$ a piece. It gets awfully expensive to take your family to the race track for an enjoyable afternoon. My excursions to Loudon, have cost me anywhere from 500$ to 700$ by the time the weekend is over, when I include gas and food for the weekend. Luckily I have a place to stay so I never have lodging expenses.

Unfortunately NASCAR is not the only sport suffering for the problem, watch football games, basketball teams, etc. The only ones that sell out are the ones that are consistently winning. the difference is that in those sports it is a little easier to not show the empty seats, as once the game starts all those seats close to the playing area get filled as spectators move around. However in NASCAR the seats that get acquired after the start of the race, are the ones higher up in the stands. So the seats closest to the track end up empty, and on tv.

Unfortunately spectator sports have gotten outrageously expensive to see live. Nascar like any other sport is falling victim to this, and now we are starting to see its effects even in venues where they where traditionally sold out for years.

Finally if you ask me someone who has watched racing for over 30 years, the lack of character and uniqueness in the drivers today, has also caused some of the attendance issues at the track. The are all now highly polished, and politically correct. The reason, that men like Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliot, Buddy Baker, etc. help the sport grow, is that they where down to earth, no where near politically correct, and spoke there mind. The sport has lost some of it roots. People don't have nicknames anymore, no Intimidator, no King... Sure smoke has come along, but it is not the same. racing is falling into the slump of most professional sports, there are no captivating personalities, any more that make your turn in every week, just to see what they might try to get away with.

SIKSUKR · 07-19-2011, 04:05 PM

Ya, I guess Jimmy Johnson is too nice of a guy LI.

Wow, the Luoden tickets were $110? Yikes. I've never sat in the stands so I've never bought those seats. I have a few friends that have Rv's trackside on the hill so I get on their list and buy a general admision ticket. I think the last one a few years ago was around $55. What I like about being there is your not confined to a seat and get to walk around and barbecue etc. Getting too hot?...jump in the rv and watch a little in there, along with replays of the crashes.

Don't know if I want to go in the grandstands after being in that area.

ishoot308 · 07-19-2011, 04:07 PM

I must be missing something because I just do not see or get the attraction... 20 or 30 race cars all going around in a circle and all forced to go the same speed due to restrictor plates for 300 revolutions while the crowd bakes on aluminum seats in the hot sun...??? O.K, so I was told the race is won or lost by the pit crew... gotchya... so why not just have the pit crews change tires and refuel a car 10 times and see which crew is quickest and determine a winner rather than wasting all that fuel going around in circles at the same speed 300 times...??? What am I missing??? Maybe if they got rid of the restrictor plates it just might make it a tad more interesting!

Just an fyi...I have been to NHMS for the big races twice, once in the aluminum grandstands and once in a luxury box. Both times I felt I would have been better off staying at my RV in the campground watching the race on the big screen, or better yet at home! I absolutely hated it!

Ducking for cover now!

Dan

LIforrelaxin · 07-19-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

I must be missing something because I just do not see or get the attraction... 20 or 30 race cars all going around in a circle and all forced to go the same speed due to restrictor plates for 300 revolutions while the crowd bakes on aluminum seats in the hot sun...??? O.K, so I was told the race is won or lost by the pit crew... gotchya... so why not just have the pit crews change tires and refuel a car 10 times and see which crew is quickest and determine a winner rather than wasting all that fuel going around in circles at the same speed 300 times...??? What am I missing??? Maybe if they got rid of the restrictor plates it just might make it a tad more interesting!

Just an fyi...I have been to NHMS for the big races twice, once in the aluminum grandstands and once in a luxury box. Both times I felt I would have been better off staying at my RV in the campground watching the race on the big screen, or better yet at home! I absolutely hated it!

Ducking for cover now!

Dan

No reason to duck for cover, your response is honesty...what is better then that... Although I love going to races, I find it more practical to watch them at home... With the occassional trip to a race track. While it is great fun tailgating and meeting people with a similar interest. After a year or two, it just seems to loose the excitement. Right now I am trying to decide which race track I want to go check out next... And then I am going to work towards a nice vacation, with the race as one of the highlights of the trip at a track I have never visited before. Las Vegas currently has some appeal....

challmec · 07-20-2011, 06:41 AM

I too have been following racing for many years and have seen the change in the sport..
Its all about sponsorship and driver image.. Yes the days of Dale and Bill and Richard are long gone and their larger than life images fading.. The best racing to be watching is still the local Saturday night racing tracks... Guys out there doing what they love to do for the sport ,not so much about the money!!!

Only an opinion here and viewed from these eyes!!

spider22 · 07-20-2011, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

I must be missing something because I just do not see or get the attraction... 20 or 30 race cars all going around in a circle and all forced to go the same speed due to restrictor plates for 300 revolutions while the crowd bakes on aluminum seats in the hot sun...??? O.K, so I was told the race is won or lost by the pit crew... gotchya... so why not just have the pit crews change tires and refuel a car 10 times and see which crew is quickest and determine a winner rather than wasting all that fuel going around in circles at the same speed 300 times...??? What am I missing??? Maybe if they got rid of the restrictor plates it just might make it a tad more interesting!

Just an fyi...I have been to NHMS for the big races twice, once in the aluminum grandstands and once in a luxury box. Both times I felt I would have been better off staying at my RV in the campground watching the race on the big screen, or better yet at home! I absolutely hated it!

Ducking for cover now!

Dan

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I don't think they use restricter plates at Loudon.

Resident 2B · 07-20-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spider22

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I don't think they use restrictor plates at Loudon.

They used restrictor plates at NHMS once, it was a mess. They have not used them at NHMS since the "softer-barriers" were installed. Much safer now. There is nothing like standing down on the walkway in front of the stands going into turn 1 when the race restarts. Pure power!!

Also, there are 43 cars, minus the three or four "start and parkers" in the race.

I used to go to several races a year, two at NHMS and two others, usually Daytona plus a random track. I now go to one or two a year at NHMS. It is not as interesting as it was in the 90's but it is still a good show. Going once or twice a year gives me a better feel for what is happening when I watch NASCAR on TV.

R2B

ishoot308 · 07-20-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by spider22

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I don't think they use restricter plates at Loudon.

I know for a fact they used them at one of the races I went to. This was back in 2000 or 2001. They were 1" restrictor plates and were the talk of the crowd. I believe they still use them at Talladega and Daytona not positive though.,..

Dan

Resident 2B · 07-20-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

I know for a fact they used them at one of the races I went to. This was back in 2000 or 2001. They were 1" restrictor plates and were the talk of the crowd. I believe they still use them at Talladega and Daytona not positive though.,..

Dan

Dan,

You are correct about when they used them at the then NHIS, now NHMS. It was a result of a few very unfortunate accidents.

They are still used at Daytona and Talladega, totally different tracks.

R2B

John A. Birdsall · 07-20-2011, 01:49 PM

this is much like going to see a guy wack a little white ball and then go chase it. sometimes scratching his head cause the little ball fell in a hole and his club won't go in there. He then looks around and if nobody is looking he picks up the ball and puts it in his pocket. Does this for perhaps 18 holes.
I suppose standing in a crowd watching the cars go around and around makes sense to some. But unless they have an accident then whats the fun.

trfour · 07-20-2011, 04:16 PM

From NHMS with flyover; http://www.nhms.com/multimedia/video/

Terry
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Mr. V · 07-21-2011, 09:36 AM

One sport that is ascending is the recently reborn woman's sport, Roller Derby.

In Portland, anyway, it is regularly sold out.

I see you have it in New Hampshire as well:

http://www.nhrollerderby.com/

Winnisquamguy · 07-21-2011, 07:33 PM

Newman's modified win was taken away here is a short article I got from Jayski.

Newman's race winning modified confiscated by NASCAR: UPDATE: The car Sprint Cup Series driver Ryan Newman drove to victory in Saturday's NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour F.W. Webb 100 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway was confiscated by NASCAR during post-race inspection. NASCAR spokesman Jason Christley said the car was confiscated to allow NASCAR to make further evaluations concerning restrictor plate and airflow issues with the motor on the car. Newman, who won the pole in qualifying for the event on Thursday, beat second place finisher Todd Szegedy to the checkered flag by 1.901 seconds on Saturday. "The action is not necessarily an indication of any impending penalty," Christley said. The car will be taken by NASCAR to their Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. for further inspection.(Hartford Courant)(7-17-2011)
UPDATE: NASCAR announced the #7 team that competes in the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour has been penalized as a result of rules violations committed Saturday, July 16 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in Loudon, N.H. The team was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-I (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); and 20D-5.9P (the intake manifold ports did not completely seal to the cylinder head ports. The use of metal shim-type intake manifold gaskets is not permitted) of the 2011 NASCAR rule book. The violations were discovered during post-race inspection on July 16. Mike LaRochelle, crew chief of car #7, has been suspended from all NASCAR regional touring series events until Dec. 31, 2011. Kevin Manion, owner of car #7, has been disqualified from the July 16 New Hampshire race, and has been suspended from all NASCAR regional touring series events until Dec. 31, 2011. Ryan Newman, driver of car #7, has been disqualified from the July 16 New Hampshire race.(NASCAR)(7-20-2011)

trfour · 07-21-2011, 10:59 PM

I took a quick look out at NHMS's website and found the ( NasCar ticket there too ). http://www.nhms.com/media/news/593366.html

Ryan is a great Chauffeur and of course had nothing to do with the engine setup on the #7 car. However, and rightly so, got busted by association, so to speak...

He did win the most important race of the weekend there at NHMS that will help him and his team in the chase for the SprintCup finals, later on this year...

There is a lot more to NasCar racing than some folks think. Too many variables to go into here. Sophistication and the Space shuttle, are of no interest to some, wise?...

Terry
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Winnisquamguy · 07-22-2011, 01:29 PM

Yes I am big fan of Newman and agree with you he has no idea about the motor in the car. Tough break for the whole team, Kevin Mannion is somewhat of a local guy (Portland Maine) he was Martin Truex Jr's crew chief for a long time. But like you said he did win the big one, and the one that counts the most, hopefully that locks him into the chase now.

rander7823 · 07-25-2011, 11:20 AM

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Yes I am big fan of Newman and agree with you he has no idea about the motor in the car. Tough break for the whole team, Kevin Mannion is somewhat of a local guy (Portland Maine) he was Martin Truex Jr's crew chief for a long time. But like you said he did win the big one, and the one that counts the most, hopefully that locks him into the chase now.

I like like Ryan Newman...He had a great quote after crashing into the pit entrance wall. It went something like "I was coming in a little fast , hit the brakes and ran out of talent, then I hit the wall." Very funny.

Winnisquamguy · 07-27-2011, 06:48 AM

Yes you are correct he is a graduate of Purdue with a degree engineering. More and more crew chiefs are needing a degree, there is not to many "old school" crew chiefs left. Its been that way with the Indy cars forever, but you are seeing more pit crew guys having some kind of schooling.

After a week off they are headed to the Brickyard!

SteveA · 08-01-2011, 08:16 AM

Maybe this is what Loudon needs. Too Funny!

http://www.wmur.com/video/28666075/detail.html

Winnisquamguy · 05-12-2013, 07:19 AM

LOUDON -- The Cup guys are coming.

Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth and a few of their rivals in NACAR's Sprint Cup series descend on New Hampshire Motor Speedway this week.

For NHMS, it's a week for testing and ticketing.

Gordon, Kenseth, Joey Logano, Clint Bowyer, Jeff Burton and Dave Blaney are due at the track on Tuesday and Wednesday for a Goodyear tire test.

On Monday, speedway officials will team up with the Manchester Police Department and give out tickets - the good kind of tickets - in the city.

To help kick off Buckle Up NH Week, police will set up a seatbelt check on Elm Street near the Verizon Wireless Arena from noon to 2 p.m. Those who are checked and are wearing seatbelts will receive a pair of tickets to the New Hampshire 300 Sprint Cup race on July 14.

Gordon and the rest are scheduled to hit the track at 9 a.m. on Tuesday.

They'll put their cars through the paces on the one-mile oval so Goodyear can come up with statistics and data to determine what it wants and needs for a tire for when the Cup folks return here for real for races in July and September.

Along the way during testing, the drivers will gain all the track knowledge possible and look for any little bit of an edge for the New Hampshire 300.

The grandstands will be open on Tuesday and Wednesday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. and fans can watch the drivers and their teams free of charge. The testing session is closed, though, and no one will be allowed in the infield.

Kenseth and Bowyer were both in the top five in Sprint Cup points going into Saturday night's race at Darlington. Kenseth moved from 11th to fourth in the standings when penalties against Joe Gibbs Racing for using an illegal engine part during the race he won in April at Kansas were reduced.

The penalty went from 50 to 12 points after Gibbs appealed the ruling.

Bowyer was fifth in points. Gordon was 14th, Logano 18th, Jeff Burton 19th and Blaney 30th going to Darlington.

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130512/SPORTS1101/130519872

tis · 05-12-2013, 07:20 AM

That means we should see the jets start to come in, huh?

Belmont Resident · 05-12-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

That means we should see the jets start to come in, huh?

Don't hold your breath, this thread was from 2 years ago.

tis · 05-12-2013, 04:13 PM

Oh, LOL, I didn't notice. I usually do notice if it is an old thread but didn't this time. Thanks, I won't be looking for those jets flying over!!

Belmont Resident · 05-12-2013, 05:36 PM

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Oh, LOL, I didn't notice. I usually do notice if it is an old thread but didn't this time. Thanks, I won't be looking for those jets flying over!!

That's OK, been there done that more then once over the years.

It is easy to get caught up and not notice.

Winnisquamguy · 05-12-2013, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

That means we should see the jets start to come in, huh?

You have a few more months race is not until July 14 this year.

I didn't feel there was a need to start a new thread as this thread is all about NASCAR.

baassoc · 05-13-2013, 05:49 AM

For what it's worh, there some Tickets up for Auctiion at a local Gilford church: http://www.umcgilford.org/ lot:117

Winnisquamguy · 06-23-2013, 11:48 AM

Just a heads up, their is some teams coming to test tires this Tuesday, and Wednesday. Click on link for more info.
http://www.nhms.com/media/headlines/631662.html

07-12-2011, 10:35 AM	#1
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	NASCAR at NHMS this Weekend Just wanted to give everyone a heads up that this is a big NASCAR weekend at New Hampshire Motor Speedway. You may want to plan your travels accordingly.

07-12-2011, 10:03 PM	#4
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Buy A Ticket And Go To A NasCar Race At NHMS... And or donate it to someone who would appreciate it! http://www.nhms.com/handler.cfm/temp...med_id=1427665 You got to be there in person, ( at least once to talk about it ). http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=1304 Wanna beast's. ... Terry ____________________________ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

07-13-2011, 12:15 PM	#8
Happy Gourmand Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Ruskin FL Posts: 1,025 Thanks: 187 Thanked 322 Times in 179 Posts	Mitt will be there from WMUR "Romney strategist Jim Merrill said the former Massachusetts Governor will meet with drivers in the infield and then hang out in the owner’s box."

07-13-2011, 02:21 PM	#9
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	They are giving away many tickets for Sundays race. Last week the Fischer Cats had a promo to the first 300 people that bought tickets would also get free tickets to the Sprint race on Sunday. I questioned if they were for Saturday also until I read the offer. You could buy tickets to the FC's for as little as $6. Parking however will cost you a little more. __________________ SIKSUKR Last edited by SIKSUKR; 07-14-2011 at 08:54 AM.

07-14-2011, 05:21 PM	#12
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	NHMS Preview Show Video/s; http://www.nascar.com/video/preview/...iew/index.html Terry _____________________________ PS. Yes, we are all feeling the pinch of todays economy! Remember though that the good days will one day return to Loudon NH. and NHMS through NasCar's interests in the fan base this area is, and will become. And also important to remember is that none of the previous NasCar ticket sellouts at NHIS, were attended or purchased by the majority that have posted in this very thread... __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html Last edited by trfour; 07-14-2011 at 10:09 PM.

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07-13-2011, 10:25 AM	#6
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	Skip, are you sure that the tickets were for Sunday's race. They might be, but the reason I ask is that they gave every household in Loudon 2 tickets for Saturday's races and a few other private orgs got the same. If they gave away Sunday tickets as well, then that is truely a gesture from a group. The economy is hitting NASCAR really hard these last few years. Unless it is a military type organization than the Sunday tickets make sense, happens quite a bit.

07-13-2011, 03:26 PM	#10
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	No kidding. They have got to be hurting bad to be giving out that volume of tickets for Sunday. Good for you guys. Skip, could not agree more with the direction that NASCAR has taken in recent years. Everyone I know that went every year has also given up the tickets. The new cars on Loudon are extremely boring, IMO. Saturday is usually a good show and has been for years.

07-15-2011, 09:20 AM	#13
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Will miss this one A couple of years ago, two I think, Mr. Bahre gave away a few tickets at the Sandy Point Resturant. We had a tickets we could not use so we gave them back. Attended both races last year but will miss this weekend not due to econonmic pressure. My couch will have to do on Sunday. I plan on being there for the fall race and perhaps the Indy car race in August. GO Junior

07-15-2011, 09:55 PM	#14
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	After Qualifying The race lineup for Sundays Lenox Industrial Tools 301 at NHMS. http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2011...ta/lineup.html Terry __________________________________ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

07-17-2011, 06:19 PM	#15
Argie's Wife Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Alton Posts: 1,908 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 533 Thanked 579 Times in 260 Posts	The race got out and traffic is STACKED up in Alton - whoa! We've got people inching by the house, whooping it up and waving. Lots of grills in the backs of pickup trucks and lots of out-of-state plates. It's nice to see the good turn out - hoping the tourist industry did well this weekend!!!

07-18-2011, 11:30 AM	#16
Superduty1 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 16 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts	Well, whether they gave the tickets away or you bought them, the stands for Sundays Sprint Cup race were at near capacity. It was good to see all the fans come out on a great sunny day in New Hampshire. I sure hope the new owners don't take a race away from Loudon because Nascar is good for New Hampshire. Even if you got the tickets for free, you spent money somewhere in this great state, either on gas, six pack, lodging, dinner, D and D, local supermarket, souvenirs at the track, you get the point.

07-18-2011, 11:44 AM	#17
Grove84 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 85 Thanks: 18 Thanked 41 Times in 20 Posts	Anchor Marine Radio Ad Boat Rentals On my drive up to the lake this past weekend and then while on the water I heard that Anchor Marine is renting boats and according to their radio ad,you must be 21 years old with a valid drivers license. What about a safe boaters license? Curious as to how they could rent boats to people on this body of water and they may never have operated a boat before or know the lake or the basic boating rules of the road

07-18-2011, 09:16 PM	#19
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Back On Topic Press Pass video/s; http://www.nascar.com/video/post-rac...man/index.html Winning from the pole, Ryan Newman. Terry ____________________________________ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

07-19-2011, 09:07 AM	#20
Barney Bear Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 962 Thanks: 495 Thanked 273 Times in 174 Posts	Race Day Traffic We left East Bear Island later than usual on Sunday to avoid most of the traffic leaving the speedway. We got on I-93 at Exit 20 [Tilton] and headed south at about 8:30 PM. The temporary modifications to traffic flow in the Concorsd area allowed us to move through at a reasonable pace. Congratulations to the NH Highway Department for a job well done!!!

07-19-2011, 09:48 AM	#23
Webbsatwinni Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lebanon Ct and Rattlesnake Island Since 2007 Posts: 610 Thanks: 180 Thanked 137 Times in 72 Posts	We went Sat for the modifieds, it was hot but a great day. They should have more misting stations though, the people were way overheated. I don't know why they were dehydrated, they were drinking lots of liquids.

07-19-2011, 03:19 PM	#25
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	unsold Thousands upon thousands of unsold tickets...despite advertising blitz past month or so...newspaper, radio, TV. Very little walk up crowd purchase. This coming from a race day volunteer that I know, who directs traffic in the lots. Says Fall race has 20K plus seats still available. This is by no means a situation unique to NH. This sport routinely sold out every track it went to, for years and years, as the sport simply exploded in the early/mid 90's, into the early 2000's. Now watch a Sunday race...pockets of empty seats are every where. I was absolutely shocked...shocked...to be watching speed vision, and see an ad letting people know that tickets are available for the Bristol night race. After Daytona, it was considered one of the toughest race tickets to come by...Saturday Night at Bristol. Now, they are trying hard to sell it out. Sign of times???? I say not so much... The sport has changed a bit, but really, for me, it just ran it's course. I enjoyed it for a solid 9/10 years, watched every week, but as my sports plate was full enough, I finally just had enough. I think as time goes on, these venues that now all hold 100K plus, will never sell out.

07-19-2011, 03:57 PM	#26
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Long Island, not that one, the one on Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,836 Thanks: 1,019 Thanked 884 Times in 517 Posts	sa_meredith I don't disagree with you that for some people NASCAR has run it course it is out of there system and they are paying less attention to the sport. However I believe most of those people, where also the ones, that didn't go to the track to begin with. For many many people that I know who go or have gone to races religiously, the current economy has play a roll into the decision to purchase race tickets or not. Lets start with the ticket price... At Loudon, the last time I went my tickets alone where 110$ a piece and very nice seats, when I went to Daytona my tickets where something like 180$ a piece. It gets awfully expensive to take your family to the race track for an enjoyable afternoon. My excursions to Loudon, have cost me anywhere from 500$ to 700$ by the time the weekend is over, when I include gas and food for the weekend. Luckily I have a place to stay so I never have lodging expenses. Unfortunately NASCAR is not the only sport suffering for the problem, watch football games, basketball teams, etc. The only ones that sell out are the ones that are consistently winning. the difference is that in those sports it is a little easier to not show the empty seats, as once the game starts all those seats close to the playing area get filled as spectators move around. However in NASCAR the seats that get acquired after the start of the race, are the ones higher up in the stands. So the seats closest to the track end up empty, and on tv. Unfortunately spectator sports have gotten outrageously expensive to see live. Nascar like any other sport is falling victim to this, and now we are starting to see its effects even in venues where they where traditionally sold out for years. Finally if you ask me someone who has watched racing for over 30 years, the lack of character and uniqueness in the drivers today, has also caused some of the attendance issues at the track. The are all now highly polished, and politically correct. The reason, that men like Dale Earnhardt, Bill Elliot, Buddy Baker, etc. help the sport grow, is that they where down to earth, no where near politically correct, and spoke there mind. The sport has lost some of it roots. People don't have nicknames anymore, no Intimidator, no King... Sure smoke has come along, but it is not the same. racing is falling into the slump of most professional sports, there are no captivating personalities, any more that make your turn in every week, just to see what they might try to get away with. __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

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07-19-2011, 04:05 PM	#27
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Ya, I guess Jimmy Johnson is too nice of a guy LI. Wow, the Luoden tickets were $110? Yikes. I've never sat in the stands so I've never bought those seats. I have a few friends that have Rv's trackside on the hill so I get on their list and buy a general admision ticket. I think the last one a few years ago was around $55. What I like about being there is your not confined to a seat and get to walk around and barbecue etc. Getting too hot?...jump in the rv and watch a little in there, along with replays of the crashes. Don't know if I want to go in the grandstands after being in that area. __________________ SIKSUKR

07-19-2011, 04:07 PM	#28
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,983 Thanks: 2,306 Thanked 4,985 Times in 1,932 Posts	I must be missing something because I just do not see or get the attraction... 20 or 30 race cars all going around in a circle and all forced to go the same speed due to restrictor plates for 300 revolutions while the crowd bakes on aluminum seats in the hot sun...??? O.K, so I was told the race is won or lost by the pit crew... gotchya... so why not just have the pit crews change tires and refuel a car 10 times and see which crew is quickest and determine a winner rather than wasting all that fuel going around in circles at the same speed 300 times...??? What am I missing??? Maybe if they got rid of the restrictor plates it just might make it a tad more interesting! Just an fyi...I have been to NHMS for the big races twice, once in the aluminum grandstands and once in a luxury box. Both times I felt I would have been better off staying at my RV in the campground watching the race on the big screen, or better yet at home! I absolutely hated it! Ducking for cover now! Dan

07-20-2011, 06:41 AM	#30
challmec Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 55 Thanks: 21 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	I too have been following racing for many years and have seen the change in the sport.. Its all about sponsorship and driver image.. Yes the days of Dale and Bill and Richard are long gone and their larger than life images fading.. The best racing to be watching is still the local Saturday night racing tracks... Guys out there doing what they love to do for the sport ,not so much about the money!!! Only an opinion here and viewed from these eyes!!

07-20-2011, 01:49 PM	#35
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	race track attendees this is much like going to see a guy wack a little white ball and then go chase it. sometimes scratching his head cause the little ball fell in a hole and his club won't go in there. He then looks around and if nobody is looking he picks up the ball and puts it in his pocket. Does this for perhaps 18 holes. I suppose standing in a crowd watching the cars go around and around makes sense to some. But unless they have an accident then whats the fun.

07-20-2011, 04:16 PM	#36
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	More Videos From NHMS with flyover; http://www.nhms.com/multimedia/video/ Terry ________________________________ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

07-21-2011, 09:36 AM	#37
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 62 Thanked 236 Times in 160 Posts	One sport that is ascending is the recently reborn woman's sport, Roller Derby. In Portland, anyway, it is regularly sold out. I see you have it in New Hampshire as well: http://www.nhrollerderby.com/

07-21-2011, 07:33 PM	#38
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	Newman's modified win was taken away here is a short article I got from Jayski. Newman's race winning modified confiscated by NASCAR: UPDATE: The car Sprint Cup Series driver Ryan Newman drove to victory in Saturday's NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour F.W. Webb 100 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway was confiscated by NASCAR during post-race inspection. NASCAR spokesman Jason Christley said the car was confiscated to allow NASCAR to make further evaluations concerning restrictor plate and airflow issues with the motor on the car. Newman, who won the pole in qualifying for the event on Thursday, beat second place finisher Todd Szegedy to the checkered flag by 1.901 seconds on Saturday. "The action is not necessarily an indication of any impending penalty," Christley said. The car will be taken by NASCAR to their Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. for further inspection.(Hartford Courant)(7-17-2011) UPDATE: NASCAR announced the #7 team that competes in the NASCAR Whelen Modified Tour has been penalized as a result of rules violations committed Saturday, July 16 at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in Loudon, N.H. The team was found to be in violation of Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4-I (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used do not conform to NASCAR rules); and 20D-5.9P (the intake manifold ports did not completely seal to the cylinder head ports. The use of metal shim-type intake manifold gaskets is not permitted) of the 2011 NASCAR rule book. The violations were discovered during post-race inspection on July 16. Mike LaRochelle, crew chief of car #7, has been suspended from all NASCAR regional touring series events until Dec. 31, 2011. Kevin Manion, owner of car #7, has been disqualified from the July 16 New Hampshire race, and has been suspended from all NASCAR regional touring series events until Dec. 31, 2011. Ryan Newman, driver of car #7, has been disqualified from the July 16 New Hampshire race.(NASCAR)(7-20-2011) __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

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07-21-2011, 10:59 PM	#39
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Disheartening News, WG I took a quick look out at NHMS's website and found the ( NasCar ticket there too ). http://www.nhms.com/media/news/593366.html Ryan is a great Chauffeur and of course had nothing to do with the engine setup on the #7 car. However, and rightly so, got busted by association, so to speak... He did win the most important race of the weekend there at NHMS that will help him and his team in the chase for the SprintCup finals, later on this year... There is a lot more to NasCar racing than some folks think. Too many variables to go into here. Sophistication and the Space shuttle, are of no interest to some, wise?... Terry ________________________________ __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

07-22-2011, 01:29 PM	#40
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	Yes I am big fan of Newman and agree with you he has no idea about the motor in the car. Tough break for the whole team, Kevin Mannion is somewhat of a local guy (Portland Maine) he was Martin Truex Jr's crew chief for a long time. But like you said he did win the big one, and the one that counts the most, hopefully that locks him into the chase now. __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

07-27-2011, 06:48 AM	#42
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	Yes you are correct he is a graduate of Purdue with a degree engineering. More and more crew chiefs are needing a degree, there is not to many "old school" crew chiefs left. Its been that way with the Indy cars forever, but you are seeing more pit crew guys having some kind of schooling. After a week off they are headed to the Brickyard! __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

08-01-2011, 08:16 AM	#43
SteveA Deceased Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 2,311 Thanks: 1,070 Thanked 2,054 Times in 497 Posts	Speaking of NASCAR Maybe this is what Loudon needs. Too Funny! http://www.wmur.com/video/28666075/detail.html __________________ "Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry he'll be a mile away and barefoot!" unknown

05-12-2013, 07:19 AM	#44
Winnisquamguy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Winnisquam, NH Posts: 613 Thanks: 419 Thanked 163 Times in 115 Posts	Tire Test LOUDON -- The Cup guys are coming. Jeff Gordon and Matt Kenseth and a few of their rivals in NACAR's Sprint Cup series descend on New Hampshire Motor Speedway this week. For NHMS, it's a week for testing and ticketing. Gordon, Kenseth, Joey Logano, Clint Bowyer, Jeff Burton and Dave Blaney are due at the track on Tuesday and Wednesday for a Goodyear tire test. On Monday, speedway officials will team up with the Manchester Police Department and give out tickets - the good kind of tickets - in the city. To help kick off Buckle Up NH Week, police will set up a seatbelt check on Elm Street near the Verizon Wireless Arena from noon to 2 p.m. Those who are checked and are wearing seatbelts will receive a pair of tickets to the New Hampshire 300 Sprint Cup race on July 14. Gordon and the rest are scheduled to hit the track at 9 a.m. on Tuesday. They'll put their cars through the paces on the one-mile oval so Goodyear can come up with statistics and data to determine what it wants and needs for a tire for when the Cup folks return here for real for races in July and September. Along the way during testing, the drivers will gain all the track knowledge possible and look for any little bit of an edge for the New Hampshire 300. The grandstands will be open on Tuesday and Wednesday from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. and fans can watch the drivers and their teams free of charge. The testing session is closed, though, and no one will be allowed in the infield. Kenseth and Bowyer were both in the top five in Sprint Cup points going into Saturday night's race at Darlington. Kenseth moved from 11th to fourth in the standings when penalties against Joe Gibbs Racing for using an illegal engine part during the race he won in April at Kansas were reduced. The penalty went from 50 to 12 points after Gibbs appealed the ruling. Bowyer was fifth in points. Gordon was 14th, Logano 18th, Jeff Burton 19th and Blaney 30th going to Darlington. http://www.unionleader.com/article/20130512/SPORTS1101/130519872 __________________ "I'd rather be ridin than rolling"

05-12-2013, 07:20 AM	#45
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,456 Thanks: 724 Thanked 1,393 Times in 966 Posts	That means we should see the jets start to come in, huh?

05-12-2013, 04:13 PM	#47
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,456 Thanks: 724 Thanked 1,393 Times in 966 Posts	Oh, LOL, I didn't notice. I usually do notice if it is an old thread but didn't this time. Thanks, I won't be looking for those jets flying over!!

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