Breakthrough infections

[XCR-700]

This is yet another thread that makes for interesting reading if nothing else.

I personally believe anyone who tells me they are wearing a mask to protect me is either crazy or lying.

Some of you folks spew verminous hostility that would make a cobra run for cover and you direct it toward anyone who simply holds a different opinion than yours or disagrees with you, and yet you tell each other you are wearing masks to protect the other guy.

Really,,, how benevolent of you,,,

Now all of a sudden we have great concern for our fellow man.

Not likely.

Just read the anger in these posts. Some here are on the edge of verbal violence and assault, and somehow these same people also embody tremendous concern for their fellow mans health. Well try softening your tone to reduce their stress level, that will help them live longer than wearing any chinese 10 cent mask.

Should we also expect that you same folks will soon also be carrying a guns to protect us from the public health epidemic of violence in America (the presidents words) Not too likely, nor would most want you to.

I personally have ZERO expectation for you to wear mask when you feel fine so that you can protect me, please dont do it on my behalf, and the same for carrying a gun. I'll take care of my own protection from the virus and violent criminals.

The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype from people who dont even believe the vaccine they took will protect them, so we created this to convince the other guy wear a mask to appease your fears.

Kinda laughable, kinda disgusting, mostly shameful when you think about it.

Treat your peers here with a bit more kindness and we will be better off than any mask wearing you might be doing for the other guy.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

This is yet another thread that makes for interesting reading if nothing else.

I personally believe anyone who tells me they are wearing a mask to protect me is either crazy or lying.

Some of you folks spew verminous hostility that would make a cobra run for cover and you direct it toward anyone who simply holds a different opinion than yours or disagrees with you, and yet you tell each other you are wearing masks to protect the other guy.

Really,,, how benevolent of you,,,

Now all of a sudden we have great concern for our fellow man.

Not likely.

Just read the anger in these posts. Some here are on the edge of verbal violence and assault, and somehow these same people also embody tremendous concern for their fellow mans health. Well try softening your tone to reduce their stress level, that will help them live longer than wearing any chinese 10 cent mask.

Should we also expect that you same folks will soon also be carrying a guns to protect us from the public health epidemic of violence in America (the presidents words) Not too likely, nor would most want you to.

I personally have ZERO expectation for you to wear mask when you feel fine so that you can protect me, please dont do it on my behalf, and the same for carrying a gun. I'll take care of my own protection from the virus and violent criminals.

The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype from people who dont even believe the vaccine they took will protect them, so we created this to convince the other guy wear a mask to appease your fears.

Kinda laughable, kinda disgusting, mostly shameful when you think about it.

Treat your peers here with a bit more kindness and we will be better off than any mask wearing you might be doing for the other guy.

Very well said. I’ll worry about mine and my families health and protection.


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[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Very well said. I’ll worry about mine and my families health and protection.


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This I can respect!

But I can also respect someone flat out telling me; I wear a mask and got vaccinated and continue to remain socially distant because I have a tremendous fear based on what I see all over the news.

Just dont tell me your doing it for me, and then haze me or someone else for disagreeing with your belief. That carries no credibility.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

This is yet another thread that makes for interesting reading if nothing else.

I personally believe anyone who tells me they are wearing a mask to protect me is either crazy or lying.

Some of you folks spew verminous hostility that would make a cobra run for cover and you direct it toward anyone who simply holds a different opinion than yours or disagrees with you, and yet you tell each other you are wearing masks to protect the other guy.

Really,,, how benevolent of you,,,

Now all of a sudden we have great concern for our fellow man.

Not likely.

Just read the anger in these posts. Some here are on the edge of verbal violence and assault, and somehow these same people also embody tremendous concern for their fellow mans health. Well try softening your tone to reduce their stress level, that will help them live longer than wearing any chinese 10 cent mask.

Should we also expect that you same folks will soon also be carrying a guns to protect us from the public health epidemic of violence in America (the presidents words) Not too likely, nor would most want you to.

I personally have ZERO expectation for you to wear mask when you feel fine so that you can protect me, please dont do it on my behalf, and the same for carrying a gun. I'll take care of my own protection from the virus and violent criminals.

The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype from people who dont even believe the vaccine they took will protect them, so we created this to convince the other guy wear a mask to appease your fears.

Kinda laughable, kinda disgusting, mostly shameful when you think about it.

Treat your peers here with a bit more kindness and we will be better off than any mask wearing you might be doing for the other guy.

I don't spew hatred and I wear a mask for others. And, I am not crazy nor am I lying.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Garcia

I don't spew hatred and I wear a mask for others. And, I am not crazy nor am I lying.

Hummm, if you actually have to say it, isnt that an inverse or reverse version of Catch 22???

A true classic that so mimics real life, that I sometimes think Washington does all it does based on old movie scripts.

The current pandemic, was probably lifted from the X-Files movie and series. They sure did a great job of copying a lot of the elements from the movie. Now if we could only get to Wilkes Land to that snowcat and bring it back to Winnipesaukee for the winter,,,

Oh sorry what were saying, something about crazy, Yup must be for disagreeing with any opinions here, as its no longer tolerated in America, we cancel people for disagreeing. Dont we???

;-)

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I personally believe anyone who tells me they are wearing a mask to protect me is either crazy or lying. . . . I personally have ZERO expectation for you to wear mask when you feel fine so that you can protect me. . . . The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype.

Here's a simple analogy. If I'm not mistaken, you offered me advice about my roof. I assume you did that because you wanted to help me. Why would I not have the same heartfelt concern for you?

The science says that even though I'm vaccinated, and even if I have no visible symptoms, I can be a Covid carrier without knowing it. Spreading a serious disease to another person when I could prevent that goes against all of my personal and social values. If I did that and you got sick and possibly died, I wouldn't only be hurting you. I would be hurting everyone who cares about you and people who depend on you (your children, employer, coworkers, friends, etc.). There would be a financial cost of your illness and death. I don't want to be the cause of such harm.

You know, people do sincere altruistic things all the time. I bet even you would stop to help an injured dog by the side of the road. We often see people's selfish exterior, but I think that altruism is just as innate in people. It's even innate in animals---just look for "animals helping animals" on YouTube. I think the reason for this is that when you strip away politics, religion, etc., you realize that we all belong to the same human species and we're all in this together. Sure it's about feeling good. Looking out for others does make you feel good.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Looking out for others does make you feel good.

Agreed. Two other points missed above about wearing masks to protect others:

We have plenty of data now that show it does indeed protect others, it is not wishful thinking or hype.

If a community has rules that require mask wearing so that everyone is "protecting others"--then everyone is protected by everyone else. So there is a quid pro quo involved, it is not ONLY being a nice guy

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Agreed. Two other points missed above about wearing masks to protect others:

We have plenty of data now that show it does indeed protect others, it is not wishful thinking or hype.

If a community has rules that require mask wearing so that everyone is "protecting others"--then everyone is protected by everyone else. So there is a quid pro quo involved, it is not ONLY being a nice guy

And yet the overwhelming majority of people peal off their masks just as soon as they sit down at a table in a restaurant (when they are open or you can find a seat) so there is clearly no protection of others going on there and either no concern for the science, or probably closer to the truth, no belief in what the media and politicians and experts are telling us.

Same for when people exit any store with a mask requirement, they majority cant make it several steps before tearing the mask off.

Then when you take a look around you outside, I see only a tiny fraction of the population wearing masks outside,,,

Most only wear masks because its required and as a society Americans mostly follow the rules. But clearly there is either a limit to what people will do, or what they will believe.

Either way the majority of the public are not wearing masks to protect someone else, its either to protect themselves or in most cases it is simply because they are required to in certain locations.

If in this forum we have a greater proportion of benevolent and caring people, fantastic. But please excuse me if I remain a bit skeptical in the motives of people who will savagely trash anyone with a differing opinion and who dares say so. The too common hypocrisy is unconvincing.

So again, a little kindness is probably far more useful to our society than any mask wearing by the few, and when you do wear a mask, the risk from wearing untested chinese masks is probably far greater than the benefit from wearing USA made all cotton masks. If you the members of this forum disagree, ok, but show your benevolence by practicing what you preach about caring for others and not responding like omniscient jackasses and we will all get along and simply agree to disagree.

Well we will see how long that can last,,,

[BillJohn]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And yet the overwhelming majority of people peal off their masks just as soon as they sit down at a table in a restaurant (when they are open or you can find a seat) so there is clearly no protection of others going on there and either no concern for the science, or probably closer to the truth, no belief in what the media and politicians and experts are telling us.

Same for when people exit any store with a mask requirement, they majority cant make it several steps before tearing the mask off.

Then when you take a look around you outside, I see only a tiny fraction of the population wearing masks outside,,,

Most only wear masks because its required and as a society Americans mostly follow the rules. But clearly there is either a limit to what people will do, or what they will believe.

Either way the majority of the public are not wearing masks to protect someone else, its either to protect themselves or in most cases it is simply because they are required to in certain locations.

If in this forum we have a greater proportion of benevolent and caring people, fantastic. But please excuse me if I remain a bit skeptical in the motives of people who will savagely trash anyone with a differing opinion and who dares say so. The too common hypocrisy is unconvincing.

So again, a little kindness is probably far more useful to our society than any mask wearing by the few, and when you do wear a mask, the risk from wearing untested chinese masks is probably far greater than the benefit from wearing USA made all cotton masks. If you the members of this forum disagree, ok, but show your benevolence by practicing what you preach about caring for others and not responding like omniscient jackasses and we will all get along and simply agree to disagree.

Well we will see how long that can last,,,

People can disagree on issues that are not fact based. For example, you could argue that the world is flat....but factually that is untrue. So, if you argued the world was flat that would make you uneducated or foolish. You could argue that masks are not protecting people but you cannot argue the science that shows they are helping. Because that is a fact and therefore not an opinion. Arguing a fact would make you....???

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

This is yet another thread that makes for interesting reading if nothing else.

I personally believe anyone who tells me they are wearing a mask to protect me is either crazy or lying.

Some of you folks spew verminous hostility that would make a cobra run for cover and you direct it toward anyone who simply holds a different opinion than yours or disagrees with you, and yet you tell each other you are wearing masks to protect the other guy.

Really,,, how benevolent of you,,,

Now all of a sudden we have great concern for our fellow man.

Not likely.

Just read the anger in these posts. Some here are on the edge of verbal violence and assault, and somehow these same people also embody tremendous concern for their fellow mans health. Well try softening your tone to reduce their stress level, that will help them live longer than wearing any chinese 10 cent mask.

Should we also expect that you same folks will soon also be carrying a guns to protect us from the public health epidemic of violence in America (the presidents words) Not too likely, nor would most want you to.

I personally have ZERO expectation for you to wear mask when you feel fine so that you can protect me, please dont do it on my behalf, and the same for carrying a gun. I'll take care of my own protection from the virus and violent criminals.

The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype from people who dont even believe the vaccine they took will protect them, so we created this to convince the other guy wear a mask to appease your fears.

Kinda laughable, kinda disgusting, mostly shameful when you think about it.

Treat your peers here with a bit more kindness and we will be better off than any mask wearing you might be doing for the other guy.

Well if I could cherry pick, maybe I might skip you (joking). But if you get COVID from me, then you give it to someone else. Then who you gave it to might give it my sister.

I got vaccinated, wear a mask, still limit my exposure for the community in general, especially health care workers that are the real soldiers here, for the economy, for COVID to be over with ASAP, my family and for myself.

Honestly, I think your post is delusional. Maybe you should get tested because COVID can cause delusional thinking. If not delusional, really kinda sad people think like you are. Like it's some master plan to get you or so they feel good, really? Get a grip man.

Obviously vaccines are not 100% nor are masks. If masks reduces my getting it 1% or reduces passing it to someone else 1% that's fine by me. And today if folks don't wear a mask I don't get that upset even though I prefer they would in any closed places. And for the most part a lot are. At least the places I frequent do.

[John Mercier]

He reminds me of Mike Sylvia.

[BillJohn]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

The notion you are wearing a mask to protect others is simply feel good hype from people who dont even believe the vaccine they took will protect them, so we created this to convince the other guy wear a mask to appease your fears.

Kinda laughable, kinda disgusting, mostly shameful when you think about it.

Treat your peers here with a bit more kindness and we will be better off than any mask wearing you might be doing for the other guy.

People should wear masks to protect themselves and others. Just because you do not care if you get covid does not mean you somehow have the right to infect others. The ignorance that has been on display from the very start of the pandemic is stunning. Wear a mask, protect yourself, and if you do not care about your own health then at least protect the people around you. Grow up!

[SailinAway]

Let's say your priorities in the pandemic are one or more of the following:

1. To end the pandemic as soon as possible
2. To not die of Covid
3. To not lose anyone close to me to Covid
4. To be free to do what I want, when I want, where I want
5. To not have the government force me to do something I don't want to do
6. To not have to wear a mask
7. To not have to get vaccinated
8. To get businesses fully open as soon as possible
9. To not get sick
10. To restore the economy
11. To not be inconvenienced
12. To not make anyone else sick
13. To follow the beliefs of my political party and its leader
14. To get all the kids back in school
15. To not have to work at home anymore
16. To not be exposed to unmasked, unvaccinated sick people
17. To get the whole country vaccinated
18. To not lose my job
19. Etc

Here's the problem: You can't have everything on that list at once. So you choose your priorities, realizing that when you choose certain things, other things aren't going to be possible. If freedom is my top priority and I won't budge on that, then I'll be giving up everything on the above list except for freedoms. You can't be 100% free and end the pandemic quickly, restore the economy, get kids back in school, keep your job, not get sick, avoid dying, and not lose anyone close to you to Covid. If protecting everyone and ending the pandemic as quickly as possible is your priority, you will be giving up the freedom to whatever you want, when you want it, without government interference.

We each have to make this choice individually, but the pandemic is not going to end until most of decide we really want it to end. If you make freedom your top priority, you're saying in effect, "Ending the pandemic quickly, restoring the economy, and saving lives are not my top priorities." I would just ask you to imagine how you personally are going to be affected if this pandemic goes on for years because not enough people want to end it. There's no way you will be able to hang onto the life you had before the pandemic, unless you live off the grid and are 100% self-sufficient.

You make trade-offs and sacrifices every day of your life. You obey the speed limit so you don't end up in jail. You pay your property taxes so the town doesn't seize your house. You may feel resentful of those things you're forced to do, but you have the good sense to realize that the payoff for doing them is worth it. You don't let your emotions overrule your intelligence.

It's the same with the pandemic: it's a simple, rational calculation of sacrifices versus benefits. Sure, we all have strong emotions about the pandemic and we all resent it, but it's rational thinking that's going to get us where we ALL want to go: an end to the virus, fully reopening businesses, and no more restrictions on what we can do in public.

[John Mercier]

I don't think it is all the pandemic.
It may have started around that time, but I think a lot of it is the surge into our area and the refusal to bend to the greater good even a little bit.

[fatlazyless]

Not sure if this is the correct thread for this message?

If you are age-65 or older and immuno-compromised then the CVS Pharmacy all across New Hampshire have available appointment time slots for a third vaccination shot, plus you can get a flu shot as well, in the same visit.

I don't know but it's my guess they do the covid shot into one arm, and do the flu shot into the other arm?

If interested go to www.cvs.com/coronavirus to schedule an appointment.

[fatlazyless]

Yesterday, Sunday, at 1-pm it only took ten minutes, in and out the door, at the Plymouth CVS to get the Pjizer #3 shot into the left shoulder arm, and the flu shot into the right shoulder arm ..... have two small band aids .... using the CVS on-line appointment process.

At 5-pm I went swimming in the huge 35-meter, outdoor, 70-degree swim pool at the www.wmacwv.com and did 24-laps ...... my best number of laps so far alternating brest stroke and side stroke .... 24-laps ..... all powered up with two CVS vaccinations at the same time ..... administered by a CVS pharmacist. ....

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Let's say your priorities in the pandemic are one or more of the following:

1. To end the pandemic as soon as possible
2. To not die of Covid
3. To not lose anyone close to me to Covid
4. To be free to do what I want, when I want, where I want
5. To not have the government force me to do something I don't want to do
6. To not have to wear a mask
7. To not have to get vaccinated
8. To get businesses fully open as soon as possible
9. To not get sick
10. To restore the economy
11. To not be inconvenienced
12. To not make anyone else sick
13. To follow the beliefs of my political party and its leader
14. To get all the kids back in school
15. To not have to work at home anymore
16. To not be exposed to unmasked, unvaccinated sick people
17. To get the whole country vaccinated
18. To not lose my job
19. Etc

Here's the problem: You can't have everything on that list at once. So you choose your priorities, realizing that when you choose certain things, other things aren't going to be possible. If freedom is my top priority and I won't budge on that, then I'll be giving up everything on the above list except for freedoms. You can't be 100% free and end the pandemic quickly, restore the economy, get kids back in school, keep your job, not get sick, avoid dying, and not lose anyone close to you to Covid. If protecting everyone and ending the pandemic as quickly as possible is your priority, you will be giving up the freedom to whatever you want, when you want it, without government interference.

We each have to make this choice individually, but the pandemic is not going to end until most of decide we really want it to end. If you make freedom your top priority, you're saying in effect, "Ending the pandemic quickly, restoring the economy, and saving lives are not my top priorities." I would just ask you to imagine how you personally are going to be affected if this pandemic goes on for years because not enough people want to end it. There's no way you will be able to hang onto the life you had before the pandemic, unless you live off the grid and are 100% self-sufficient.

You make trade-offs and sacrifices every day of your life. You obey the speed limit so you don't end up in jail. You pay your property taxes so the town doesn't seize your house. You may feel resentful of those things you're forced to do, but you have the good sense to realize that the payoff for doing them is worth it. You don't let your emotions overrule your intelligence.

It's the same with the pandemic: it's a simple, rational calculation of sacrifices versus benefits. Sure, we all have strong emotions about the pandemic and we all resent it, but it's rational thinking that's going to get us where we ALL want to go: an end to the virus, fully reopening businesses, and no more restrictions on what we can do in public.

While I genuinely appreciate your efforts here, but I think we just see too many things too differently to come to agreement on this matter.

I feel like your conclusions are wrong and too many of the items you cite are what you have been told, but that they are not actually reality.

From my seat I feel like many others in that the "pandemic" should be reduced to some lower level concern. The term pandemic has been hijacked and is now a political term used for political and other purposes, but no longer applicable given the number of people who have been vaccinated and/or contracted COVID and have immunity, plus we now know so much more about how to treat infected patients that the death rate is greatly improved.

I guess my biggest disagreement is that most of what you cite on your list and reference as being contingent on vaccination and mask wearing, I believe that this is a false premise.

I expect COVID will continue to be a problem for an indefinite period like influenza. Some will continue to be sickened and die and as a whole we will be best served by the more exposure we all get to it and then build natural immunity against it. Now mind you exposure does not mean infection and infection does not mean hospitalization and hospitalization does not mean ICU and being in the ICU does not mean you will die. And in the overwhelming majority of COVID cases, people didnt even know they had it.

As a COVID survivor I was not quite so fortunate as most people, but I must confess to that of all the people I know and the hundreds of people I work with, I only know one person that was hospitalized and he said he really didnt need to be, they just did it as a precaution. And I dont know a single person that has died of COVID.

So for me I see no need to panic, I see no need for kids not to be in school and without masks, I see no need to wear masks in most places ( a few, but not many) I see no need to buy chinese masks, and I see no need to fight about all this.

If you wish to stay glued to the media and worry about it, I feel bad for you, I would say ignore it and live, but thats your choice.

But please dont impose your fears and conditions on me. Protect yourself, I'll do the same where I feel necessary, and if I believe I am at risk of exposing anyone else because I am sick or I know that I came into contact with someone else that was sick, I will quarantine. But what I wont do is live the remaining time I have in fear and take every possible precaution to reduce my exposure to near zero. I dont believe that is how our ecosystem works or our biology works best, and I dont see the impact/benefit ratio value to such actions.

Remember it was the most knowledgeable scientific minds that said the world was flat and it took a naysayer to prove they were wrong, and it was the best scientific minds that said bloodletting was the best cure for whatever medical problem you had and it took naysayers to show simple things like soap and water were better treatments, and it was the best engineering minds that said we could not make it to the moon and it took naysayers to show you that you could sit on top of a Saturn V and survive the trip.

So please consider that all the media and the politicians and the experts of today might say may not be 100% correct. But in the end make the choice you can live with and respect the other persons god given right to do the same and we will all get along fine.

ATB

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

While I genuinely appreciate your efforts here, but I think we just see too many things too differently to come to agreement on this matter.

I feel like your conclusions are wrong and too many of the items you cite are what you have been told, but that they are not actually reality.

From my seat I feel like many others in that the "pandemic" should be reduced to some lower level concern. The term pandemic has been hijacked and is now a political term used for political and other purposes, but no longer applicable given the number of people who have been vaccinated and/or contracted COVID and have immunity, plus we now know so much more about how to treat infected patients that the death rate is greatly improved.

I guess my biggest disagreement is that most of what you cite on your list and reference as being contingent on vaccination and mask wearing, I believe that this is a false premise.

I expect COVID will continue to be a problem for an indefinite period like influenza. Some will continue to be sickened and die and as a whole we will be best served by the more exposure we all get to it and then build natural immunity against it. Now mind you exposure does not mean infection and infection does not mean hospitalization and hospitalization does not mean ICU and being in the ICU does not mean you will die. And in the overwhelming majority of COVID cases, people didnt even know they had it.

As a COVID survivor I was not quite so fortunate as most people, but I must confess to that of all the people I know and the hundreds of people I work with, I only know one person that was hospitalized and he said he really didnt need to be, they just did it as a precaution. And I dont know a single person that has died of COVID.

So for me I see no need to panic, I see no need for kids not to be in school and without masks, I see no need to wear masks in most places ( a few, but not many) I see no need to buy chinese masks, and I see no need to fight about all this.

If you wish to stay glued to the media and worry about it, I feel bad for you, I would say ignore it and live, but thats your choice.

But please dont impose your fears and conditions on me. Protect yourself, I'll do the same where I feel necessary, and if I believe I am at risk of exposing anyone else because I am sick or I know that I came into contact with someone else that was sick, I will quarantine. But what I wont do is live the remaining time I have in fear and take every possible precaution to reduce my exposure to near zero. I dont believe that is how our ecosystem works or our biology works best, and I dont see the impact/benefit ratio value to such actions.

Remember it was the most knowledgeable scientific minds that said the world was flat and it took a naysayer to prove they were wrong, and it was the best scientific minds that said bloodletting was the best cure for whatever medical problem you had and it took naysayers to show simple things like soap and water were better treatments, and it was the best engineering minds that said we could not make it to the moon and it took naysayers to show you that you could sit on top of a Saturn V and survive the trip.

So please consider that all the media and the politicians and the experts of today might say may not be 100% correct. But in the end make the choice you can live with and respect the other persons god given right to do the same and we will all get along fine.

ATB

Did you know there is a strong correlation of the more educated you are the more likely to get vaccinated?

Same goes for wearing masks.

https://news.usc.edu/182848/educatio...sks-usc-study/

So it kind of all makes sense. They just don’t know any better.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

Did you know there is a strong correlation of the more educated you are the more likely to get vaccinated?

Same goes for wearing masks.

https://news.usc.edu/182848/educatio...sks-usc-study/

So it kind of all makes sense. They just don’t know any better.

Well I suppose thats telling that this is what anyone is concerned about.

And when the educated need something repaired and all they can find is uneducated non-vaccinated tradesman I wonder how that will go,,,

With the current trends for everyones kids to go to college and work in offices, I see lots of opportunity for the uneducated non-vaccinated tradesman to make lots of money in the future ;-)

You might have uncovered a true golden nugget.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Well I suppose thats telling that this is what anyone is concerned about.

And when the educated need something repaired and all they can find is uneducated non-vaccinated tradesman I wonder how that will go,,,

With the current trends for everyones kids to go to college and work in offices, I see lots of opportunity for the uneducated non-vaccinated tradesman to make lots of money in the future ;-)

You might have uncovered a true golden nugget.

That was already happening.

Younger generation can’t even change a freaken tire.

And trades people are making a bundle.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

That was already happening.

Younger generation can’t even change a freaken tire.

And trades people are making a bundle.

Yes they are, i only wish I were in my 20's again, I would be in plumbing school right now and laughing all the way to the bank.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by BillJohn

People should wear masks to protect themselves and others. Just because you do not care if you get covid does not mean you somehow have the right to infect others. The ignorance that has been on display from the very start of the pandemic is stunning. Wear a mask, protect yourself, and if you do not care about your own health then at least protect the people around you. Grow up!

And there you have THE textbook example of closed minded and intolerant of differing opinions by an omniscient truth seeer, and spewing hostile responses no less. Pretty much just what I expect from the folks who stand on the soapbox and proclaim only their vision is correct.

Nice job, clearly that will go a long way to convince me to follow your kind and considerate ways to see the wisdom of your visions.

Sorry, I still disagree, hope you are not too disappointed.

[fatlazyless]

Was expecting someone to ask if I used a 30" swim noodle foam belt for swimming the 24-laps in the outdoor pool .......... and the answer is NO ..... no noodle needed for pool swim safety for me.

The swim noodle belt is best for rough, deep, cold, big lake water swimming as opposed to swimming a heated swim pool.

Thank-you for not asking about the noodle belt. ...... ...... now go the heck to the nearest CVS and get yourself vaccinated ...... hut-hut-hut! ...

The price is free ...... no charge ..... paid by my/your Uncle Sam ...... my type of price ...... is why I keep going back to CVS ..... three times ..... May, June, and now September ...... hut-hut-hut!

Get yourself vaccinated or go to beautiful Berlin NH ..... www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html ....
state prison amoung the many many trees, up there ..... population-562, July 1, 2020 ..... and then get vaccinated in the prison.

[John Mercier]

They are providing the booster without any CDC/FDA approval?
Or is there something I am missing?

I know some of the companies that are trying to recruit me have asked whether I have the first two, and if a masking policy is a deterrent to me... but no one has brought up a third dose as of yet.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They are providing the booster without any CDC/FDA approval?
Or is there something I am missing?

I know some of the companies that are trying to recruit me have asked whether I have the first two, and if a masking policy is a deterrent to me... but no one has brought up a third dose as of yet.

I go getta my third Pfizer vaccine shot, yesterday, at the CVS in Plymouth. Was very easy to do. Pharmacist asked for my vaccination card and he included this new third shot. The first two also were doned at CVS-Plymouth.

Piece of cake ...... easy as pie ..... courtesy your Uncle Sam ...... if you are age-65, you can start at www.cvs.com/coronavirus to schedule an appointment. I was in and out of there in ten minutes, plus I got a flu vaccination in the other arm as well.

[John Mercier]

OK. That makes more sense... 65 and older.
I am too young for the booster.

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

I go getta my third Pfizer vaccine shot, yesterday, at the CVS in Plymouth. Was very easy to do. Pharmacist asked for my vaccination card and he included this new third shot. The first two also were doned at CVS-Plymouth.

Piece of cake ...... easy as pie ..... courtesy your Uncle Sam ...... if you are age-65, you can start at www.cvs.com/coronavirus to schedule an appointment. I was in and out of there in ten minutes, plus I got a flu vaccination in the other arm as well.

Folks; It is VERY important that "if" you are getting the third Pfizer Vaccine Shot that you make an appointment.

Why? This Vaccine is stored in a special low temperature freezer and it needs time to thaw to prepare for use. It's possible you may luck out and have it when you randomly walk in but it is best to schedule it ahead of time by making a specific appointment.

I think the CDC is now recommending it for people who are immune compromised or over 65, but you may want to confirm this with your primary Doctor.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Was expecting someone to ask if I used a 30" swim noodle foam belt for swimming the 24-laps in the outdoor pool .......... and the answer is NO ..... no noodle needed for pool swim safety for me.

The swim noodle belt is best for rough, deep, cold, big lake water swimming as opposed to swimming a heated swim pool.

Thank-you for not asking about the noodle belt. ...... ...... now go the heck to the nearest CVS and get yourself vaccinated ...... hut-hut-hut! ...

The price is free ...... no charge ..... paid by my/your Uncle Sam ...... my type of price ...... is why I keep going back to CVS ..... three times ..... May, June, and now September ...... hut-hut-hut!

Get yourself vaccinated or go to beautiful Berlin NH ..... www.nh.gov/nhdoc/facilities/berlin.html ....
state prison amoung the many many trees, up there ..... population-562, July 1, 2020 ..... and then get vaccinated in the prison.

Well we now know the promises that the vaccine stops the virus 95+ percent of the time is not true, and many well need boosters unless they build natural immunity, BUT it sounds like in the vaccine you have found a fountain of youth! Maybe regular boosters could cure other things as well, only time will tell. Its not the first time unexpected benefits or other uses have been discovered.

As for the noodle, I can only guess you are somewhat more svelte individual than I am, otherwise you would be making a stronger and more specific pitch for the super noodle. I find standard noodles insufficient for my ~215LB 5'11" frame, but then I have a buoyancy problem from youth. As a kid I could swim out say 20' from shore and sink to the bottom and walk back out like the monster from the black lagoon. I was a great novelty for the other kids,,,

So for me its super noodle or nothing. I always keep several at the house.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And there you have THE textbook example of closed minded and intolerant of differing opinions by an omniscient truth seeer, and spewing hostile responses no less. Pretty much just what I expect from the folks who stand on the soapbox and proclaim only their vision is correct.

Nice job, clearly that will go a long way to convince me to follow your kind and considerate ways to see the wisdom of your visions.

Sorry, I still disagree, hope you are not too disappointed.

You have hit on one of the fundamental reasons that people are pushing back. The hypocrisy from those that are pushing mandates, pushing vaccines and putting hard working Americans out of business and their jobs is over the top. As I've said before, not one of these "authorities" has lost a single dime as a result of all this BS they are pushing on others. How about the fact that Congress is exempt from the vaccines, just like they were not forced into the bogus Obamacare program that they forced on everyone else? Enough is enough. Here's a perfect example of said hypocrisy:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...l-what-the-fk/

(I'll start the countdown for the reply that since this story is from Breitbart, it must be debunked in 3, 2, 1....)

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

You have hit on one of the fundamental reasons that people are pushing back. The hypocrisy from those that are pushing mandates, pushing vaccines and putting hard working Americans out of business and their jobs is over the top. As I've said before, not one of these "authorities" has lost a single dime as a result of all this BS they are pushing on others. How about the fact that Congress is exempt from the vaccines, just like they were not forced into the bogus Obamacare program that they forced on everyone else? Enough is enough. Here's a perfect example of said hypocrisy:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...l-what-the-fk/

(I'll start the countdown for the reply that since this story is from Breitbart, it must be debunked in 3, 2, 1....)

Havent read whats on the link yet, but I am in agreement of all you said.

ATB

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

You have hit on one of the fundamental reasons that people are pushing back. The hypocrisy from those that are pushing mandates, pushing vaccines and putting hard working Americans out of business and their jobs is over the top. As I've said before, not one of these "authorities" has lost a single dime as a result of all this BS they are pushing on others. How about the fact that Congress is exempt from the vaccines, just like they were not forced into the bogus Obamacare program that they forced on everyone else? Enough is enough. Here's a perfect example of said hypocrisy:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...l-what-the-fk/

(I'll start the countdown for the reply that since this story is from Breitbart, it must be debunked in 3, 2, 1....)

Not debunked, in this case, just a false equivalency:

"As Breitbart New [sic] reported, Emmy organizers mandated all attendees to test negative for COVID-19 and prove they have been vaccinated."

Can we do that in schools? What's the hypocrisy?

If 100% of my students and faculty were vaccinated AND tested negative, we...well, we wouldn't even have a pandemic!

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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Not debunked, in this case, just a false equivalency:

"As Breitbart New [sic] reported, Emmy organizers mandated all attendees to test negative for COVID-19 and prove they have been vaccinated."

Can we do that in schools? What's the hypocrisy?

If 100% of my students and faculty were vaccinated AND tested negative, we...well, we wouldn't even have a pandemic!

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What happened to “confirmation bias”? You woke guys know all the hip terms. I’m still hung up on”groovy”…

NH is only at 53% vaccination rate, and it’s not moving much from there. Live FREE or Die.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

What happened to “confirmation bias”? You woke guys know all the hip terms. I’m still hung up on”groovy”…

NH is only at 53% vaccination rate, and it’s not moving much from there. Live FREE or Die.

I mean, SPP's acceptance of the article as an equal comparison is confirmation bias since it fit into his worldview. I chose, instead, to focus on how it wasn't hypocritical at all and, further, what schools would love to see.

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[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

What happened to “confirmation bias”? You woke guys know all the hip terms. I’m still hung up on”groovy”…

NH is only at 53% vaccination rate, and it’s not moving much from there. Live FREE or Die.

The State of NH dashboard states otherwise. And if they have had one dose, it is likely they will receive their second dose within a month and be added to the dashboard as fully vaccinated.

https://www.covid19.nh.gov/dashboard/vaccination

With local business experiencing more customers than they can handle, they can't afford any employee out sick for any reason even a single day... never mind several days of quarantine.
And with that much over demand, the businesses will also need to weed out customers... simply because they can't serve them all.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

You have hit on one of the fundamental reasons that people are pushing back. The hypocrisy from those that are pushing mandates, pushing vaccines and putting hard working Americans out of business and their jobs is over the top. As I've said before, not one of these "authorities" has lost a single dime as a result of all this BS they are pushing on others. How about the fact that Congress is exempt from the vaccines, just like they were not forced into the bogus Obamacare program that they forced on everyone else? Enough is enough. Here's a perfect example of said hypocrisy:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...l-what-the-fk/

(I'll start the countdown for the reply that since this story is from Breitbart, it must be debunked in 3, 2, 1....)

The PPACA is covered under the Grassley Amendment.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

You have hit on one of the fundamental reasons that people are pushing back. The hypocrisy from those that are pushing mandates, pushing vaccines and putting hard working Americans out of business and their jobs is over the top.

Except that you've been pushing back the entire time. In early 2020, when you liked the people in the White House and people were begging for vaccines to come, you asserted covid was no worse than the flu (or you at least "thanked" posts that did). Now 600,000 are dead, and you are still asserting we should be doing less to fight the disease, and still attacking those doing everything they can to slow the spread.

So let's not say you're pushing back because of mask mandates and vaccines. Let's just acknowledge that you're pushing back because even after 600,000 dead, you still think covid is still no big deal.