Breakthrough infections

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Looking out for others does make you feel good.

Agreed. Two other points missed above about wearing masks to protect others:

We have plenty of data now that show it does indeed protect others, it is not wishful thinking or hype.

If a community has rules that require mask wearing so that everyone is "protecting others"--then everyone is protected by everyone else. So there is a quid pro quo involved, it is not ONLY being a nice guy

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Agreed. Two other points missed above about wearing masks to protect others:

We have plenty of data now that show it does indeed protect others, it is not wishful thinking or hype.

If a community has rules that require mask wearing so that everyone is "protecting others"--then everyone is protected by everyone else. So there is a quid pro quo involved, it is not ONLY being a nice guy

And yet the overwhelming majority of people peal off their masks just as soon as they sit down at a table in a restaurant (when they are open or you can find a seat) so there is clearly no protection of others going on there and either no concern for the science, or probably closer to the truth, no belief in what the media and politicians and experts are telling us.

Same for when people exit any store with a mask requirement, they majority cant make it several steps before tearing the mask off.

Then when you take a look around you outside, I see only a tiny fraction of the population wearing masks outside,,,

Most only wear masks because its required and as a society Americans mostly follow the rules. But clearly there is either a limit to what people will do, or what they will believe.

Either way the majority of the public are not wearing masks to protect someone else, its either to protect themselves or in most cases it is simply because they are required to in certain locations.

If in this forum we have a greater proportion of benevolent and caring people, fantastic. But please excuse me if I remain a bit skeptical in the motives of people who will savagely trash anyone with a differing opinion and who dares say so. The too common hypocrisy is unconvincing.

So again, a little kindness is probably far more useful to our society than any mask wearing by the few, and when you do wear a mask, the risk from wearing untested chinese masks is probably far greater than the benefit from wearing USA made all cotton masks. If you the members of this forum disagree, ok, but show your benevolence by practicing what you preach about caring for others and not responding like omniscient jackasses and we will all get along and simply agree to disagree.

Well we will see how long that can last,,,

[BillJohn]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

And yet the overwhelming majority of people peal off their masks just as soon as they sit down at a table in a restaurant (when they are open or you can find a seat) so there is clearly no protection of others going on there and either no concern for the science, or probably closer to the truth, no belief in what the media and politicians and experts are telling us.

Same for when people exit any store with a mask requirement, they majority cant make it several steps before tearing the mask off.

Then when you take a look around you outside, I see only a tiny fraction of the population wearing masks outside,,,

Most only wear masks because its required and as a society Americans mostly follow the rules. But clearly there is either a limit to what people will do, or what they will believe.

Either way the majority of the public are not wearing masks to protect someone else, its either to protect themselves or in most cases it is simply because they are required to in certain locations.

If in this forum we have a greater proportion of benevolent and caring people, fantastic. But please excuse me if I remain a bit skeptical in the motives of people who will savagely trash anyone with a differing opinion and who dares say so. The too common hypocrisy is unconvincing.

So again, a little kindness is probably far more useful to our society than any mask wearing by the few, and when you do wear a mask, the risk from wearing untested chinese masks is probably far greater than the benefit from wearing USA made all cotton masks. If you the members of this forum disagree, ok, but show your benevolence by practicing what you preach about caring for others and not responding like omniscient jackasses and we will all get along and simply agree to disagree.

Well we will see how long that can last,,,

People can disagree on issues that are not fact based. For example, you could argue that the world is flat....but factually that is untrue. So, if you argued the world was flat that would make you uneducated or foolish. You could argue that masks are not protecting people but you cannot argue the science that shows they are helping. Because that is a fact and therefore not an opinion. Arguing a fact would make you....???