For what should I be looking?

[Bizer]

This is almost identical to a question that I posed last September.

Bizer will be up at Winnipesaukee several times over the next few weekends. We shall be checking for updates to our chart of the lake. If you know of anything that you think we should examine, please post it here or email us at [email protected]. We are looking for such items as

• Buoys that may have moved. Even if a buoy moved and was reset by the Marine Patrol, we want to know about it. We want to insure we chart its exact position.
• New buoys that are not on Bizer's chart (even if you think they were placed by private citizens)
• Missing buoys
• Shallow areas not clearly depicted on Bizer's chart
• Any Elvis sightings that you would like us to confirm
• Any island that is not on our list of islands
• Anything that you deem noteworthy and/or should be on Bizer's chart

This year, we have been able to put buoys and rocks on our Garmin GPS so we'll be checking the accuracy of those items.

September is the best time to boat on Winnipesaukee. Mingling with the steamboats at Lee's Mills makes it more enjoyable. The smell of wood and coal burning is exhilarating.

[Lakegeezer]

Bizer, you are not going to like my first suggestion, but how about adopting the Duncan Press bouy numbering system? On the GPS chip, the numbers would be listed in the "information" detail, not clutter the map. I think numbering all the bouys makes a lot of sense in helping to describe missing and moved bouys. It would also help those mis-guided souls that use the Duncan Map as a back-up to your GPS map.

My second suggestion is that you add at least the numbered and possibly all bouys to the map at one (ideally two) levels of additional zoom out. This would help, for example, being able to come out of the Barber Pole, shoot down to Wolfeboro, and see those nasty red markers on the eastern shore - while having the whole route showing on the map. It is frustrating to see the land and islands, yet not be able to see any markers. (note, I use a Standard Horizon C-150 B&W).

Finally - please check on the red bouy off of Elkins point at the north end of M'boro bay. It was missing for several weeks, and I think the replacement is in a slightly different position.

[jrc]

A bunch of ideas:

Visibilty and quantity of markers around the Witches have been discussed in this forum, maybe they need to be checked.

The new 150' markers off the town docks, do you want to put them on the chart?

I anchored near Ellacoya state beach this summer and I could only find one of the four black spars.

There are a few markers including a red spar near the east side of Timber (the side facing Round). I'm pretty sure they are there for the MP to run the loud boat tests. They've been there for a few years, are they worthy?

The MP have installed markers 150' off the shore in the popular no rafting zone in West Alton.

Lastly a suggestion, if a spar or other navaid is missing as oppossed to removed, maybe the chart can still have the marker but labeled "missing '06"

I know that means you need to read the minds of the MP, but a lot markers seem to come and go, especially in places where there are group of markers.

[Fishy Cover]

There are several buouys missing in and at the east entrance of Sally's Gut in Meredith, between Stonedam Island and Meredith Neck.

[SteveA]

Bizer,

There is a thread about some missing markers in Glendale started on 8/13/06.

Title of the thread is "Missing markers" Boating section

Steve A

[Island-Ho]

The missing red marker at the entrance to Smith Cove in Glendale was replaced last week.

[Waterbaby]

........ off of Governor's Island, by MB's house, as you head straight out from the Wiers...........

[hazelnut]

I'm not looking at the chart but:

This summer I was coming from the Northeast towards the Long Island Bridge. As you approach there is the Red Buoy off the small Island to your right. After the island there is an area of water that cuts in to the right as you approach the bridge. We ventured into the area and got hung up on some rocks. We were at least 200 feet+ off shore. After we came off the rocks an MP boat hit the same rocks. Shouldn't there be a buoy there?

[Aquadeziac]

I believe the lighted marker (FL55?) entering Smith Cove was also missing as of a week ago. Course the MP would never see that one.

[pmj]

There appears to be a couple of new red markers outside Smith Cove, one was the replacement to the missing one but there is another that was not there before.

pmj

[Misty Blue]

Bizer,
There is a new red and white spar (the 3rd) beetween 5 mile I and long point.
Misty Blue

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

I noted 2 of these markers deep in Braun Bay. I think they may be the markers delineating the Fish and Game property lines even though the "rules" call for them to be orange balls. I'm not sure what the bottle is marking.

Attachment 1158349938

Then there are a few orange (some faded orange) balls in the Braun Bay No Rafting Zone. They could be the "mooring balls" that Marine patrol is supposed to set out to delineate the 75 feet from shore anchoring area. I think they look like Loon Nest area markers. Maybe they indicate anchors for the water volley ball net.

Attachment 1158349981


Thanks for your excellent chart/map.

[Airwaves]

Have you considered including the "No Boating Zone" in front of Mitt Romney's estate?

[jrc]

Not to steal the thread, but which house is Mitt's? I've been told it's on Springfield Point. Last weekend a friend wanted to go see it, I figured it would be easy to spot given all the security. So I go to the point and there is no obvious indication of his place. Maybe someone needs to do a map of the rich and famous peoples houses, just like movie stars in Hollywood.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by jrc

Not to steal the thread, but which house is Mitt's? I've been told it's on Springfield Point. Last weekend a friend wanted to go see it, I figured it would be easy to spot given all the security. So I go to the point and there is no obvious indication of his place. Maybe someone needs to do a map of the rich and famous peoples houses, just like movie stars in Hollywood.

There's a thread about, and pics in PhotoPost of, Mitt's place. It's not anwhere near as ostentacious (did I spell that right ) as a lot of the houses on the lake. There was only 1 year where he had put out a fantastically large "swim line" but after all the comotion it caused it was dropped. When I took people by earlier this summer there wasn't anything really distinguishing about the place.

[SIKSUKR]

I always thought those mooring balls in Braun Bay were meant to delineate the "no tresspassing" area for lack of better terminoligy,to the shoreline.It was my belief that you could not moor any closer than those balls.

[Gilligan]

Bizer,

On another lake chart they show a public dock in Sanders Bay near Silver Sands. It is not shown on the Bizer chart. Could you look for and locate this for us please?

I know that there is the Silver Sands gas dock open to the public. That docking is just while you are getting services there. The other lake chart shows the same symbol used for public docks such as at Alton Bay, Meredith, and Weirs but in the Silver Sands area of Sanders Bay.

I am unaware of any public docking around Sanders Bay. Friends would love to dock and walk to Meadowbrook, Parafunailia or Patrick's from that area.

This is the second summer season for the current version of the green chart. There has been no correction about the Sanders Bay public dock notation on the Duncan web site so I assume that they know of a public dock in that area. I'd love to know where it is. Please keep an eye out for it.

Thank you.

[SAMIAM]

Personally.my favorite is that underwater cliff on the south side of Black Cat island.The marker is so far off shore that it's easy to miss if you're cruising the shoreline.It shoots straight up in fairly deep water so your depth finder alarm does not warn you if it's set at 4' to 6'.There are lots of scars in the rock left by the unwary.It must be a great source of entertainment for the residents,since they won't warn anyone even when they are nearby on rafts and you pass them without a word of warning.heading right for the rocks.

[kchace]

A short distance from Green's Basin there are two small islands on either side of the main channel - Evergreen to the north and Blanchard's to the south. Almost midway between those islands is a red marker which you should should of course stay to the south of. A few weeks ago, I passed that marker at least 40' to the south and almost ran aground - depths of 4'. When I went back past it, I stayed a little further away and the depth was much greater - like 20'. Its obvious that the marker is moved too far to the north.

Ken

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Bizer,

On another lake chart they show a public dock in Sanders Bay near Silver Sands. It is not shown on the Bizer chart. Could you look for and locate this for us please?

I know that there is the Silver Sands gas dock open to the public. That docking is just while you are getting services there. The other lake chart shows the same symbol used for public docks such as at Alton Bay, Meredith, and Weirs but in the Silver Sands area of Sanders Bay.

I am unaware of any public docking around Sanders Bay. Friends would love to dock and walk to Meadowbrook, Parafunailia or Patrick's from that area.

This is the second summer season for the current version of the green chart. There has been no correction about the Sanders Bay public dock notation on the Duncan web site so I assume that they know of a public dock in that area. I'd love to know where it is. Please keep an eye out for it.

Thank you.

Bizer,

Did you find the public docking in Sanders Bay that is marked on the current Duncan Press map? There is still no update or correction on their web site (April 2007) regarding that docking, so I have to believe that THEY believe it is there.

Thank you.

[upthesaukee]

Gilligan---did you try contacting Duncan Maps????? I would hope they would do you the courtesy of a reply.

[Gilligan]

RE: Where is the public dock in Sanders Bay shown on the Duncan Press map?

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Gilligan---did you try contacting Duncan Maps????? I would hope they would do you the courtesy of a reply.

Yes Up, of course I sent e-mail to Duncan Press some time ago. I sent another e-mail to them near the end of last month. See copy below. How many days weeks or months should it take for a reply from Duncan?

Originally Posted by Gilligan to Duncan Press

From: Gilligan address edited for posting
To: [email protected]
Received-On: 04/27/07 8:51 AM
Subject: Map Questions

Hi,

I have 2 questions about the Duncan Press Lake Winnipesaukee Map 2005 edition.

1) Is the 2005 edition the most recent one or is there a newer version for 2007?

2) Could you please tell me where the Public Dock is that is shown on your 2005 map in Sanders Bay in the K-6 grid. The legend starts in the K-5 grid.

My e-mail address is "mailto:FirstMate@(edited)" .
I look forward to a reply.
Thank you very much.

There is no correction or update about the Sanders Bay public dock on the Duncan web site corrections page for this 2005 edition of their map. The question was brought to their attention months ago and again last month. They brag about accuracy so I assume they believe there is nothing to correct. So, where is the public dock?

My message #17 in this thread went unanswered and my most recent post brings no answers either. Nothing from Duncan Press. Nothing from forum members. Why not? Did Bizer find this spot?

Are you all trying to keep this location a private secret?

[Bear Islander]

The red marker at the southern tip of Bear Island is missing. Abnd the "No Wake" marker between Bear and Pine is gone.

[nightrider]

The black marker off the end of Wolfeboro neck at the entrance from the Broads to Winter Harbor was missing as of May 6, 2007. Watch out for rocks/ shallows to about 180' off the end of the point.

[Bizer]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

The red marker at the southern tip of Bear Island ... And the "No Wake" marker between Bear and Pine ...

I shall discuss these and the black buoy off Wolfeboro Neck when I speak with the Marine Patrol later this week. I've put these buoys on my list of things-to-check when I come up to the lake in June.

[Island Girl]

As of last week a black marker between Rattlesnake and Treasure Island was missing as well as the black marker south of Treasure Island.

Also missing was the black marker off the northern tip of Rattlesnake Island.

IG

[Little Bear]

The two solid red markers on the North side of the channel entering Harilla Landing area are missing. The two solid black markers on the South side of the channel are still in place.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by nightrider

"...The black marker off the end of Wolfeboro neck at the entrance from the Broads to Winter Harbor was missing as of May 6, 2007..."

Thick ice and "ice-on-the-move" hit Winter Harbor heavily this year: all three markers off Carry Beach need replacing also.

If you're going to Carry Beach to pick up passengers or to launch a small boat (before they put the swimline in) head directly to the center of the beach on a line drawn through the center of Winter Harbor. Slowly.

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

RE: Where is the public dock in Sanders Bay shown on the Duncan Press map?

Are you all trying to keep this location a private secret?

You get the hint that no one wants to share this information with the public.

You probably speed past the public dock all the time without noticing. A public dock in Sanders Bay would quickly become overloaded if everyone knew where it was.

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

RE: Where is the public dock in Sanders Bay shown on the Duncan Press map?

How many days weeks or months should it take for a reply from Duncan? {snip}

There is no correction or update about the Sanders Bay public dock on the Duncan web site corrections page for this 2005 edition of their map. {snip}
Are you all trying to keep this location a private secret?

Don't hold your breath waiting. I sent e-mail to Duncan Press October 2004 then a copy February 2005 and then a SNAIL MAIL copy June 2005 and I'm still waiting (well actually I gave up waiting) for a reply from Duncan. I wanted to correct their web site information (they brag about their accuracy).

Originally Posted by Duncan Press Web site Safety Tips allegedly from Marine Patrol

...Remember that your boat cannot legally go faster than 6 mph when you are within 150 feet of any object, including the shore, another vessel (of any kind), a dock, float, swimmer, raft, or mooring field

While it is good advice we should all know that it is NOT the LAW. There are instances where you can legally go closer than 150'.

Earlier this season I e-mailed Duncan Press about their claim of Coast Guard Boater Ed classes:

Originally Posted by Duncan Press Website

Take the free boating safety course offered by the Coast Guard. Sessions are held on a regular schedule at the Marine Patrol headquarters in Gilford.

I can only find info about classes conducted by NH Marine Patrol at MP HQ in Glendale. Where is MP HQ in Gilford anyway? Regardless, no one at MP HQ in Glendale knew anything about Coast Guard sessions at MP HQ. No one knew about them at the Boater Education office either. Nor did they know of another MP HQ in Gilford. I must conclude that Duncan Press, although boldly claiming to be the most accurate, does not care about accuracy of their web site. Their business is maps not web pages I guess.

And to Mark, I care about the location of public docking in Sanders Bay as per the Duncan Press map. I'm looking for it but can not find it either. No correction about it yet so I assume that they think it's there, but where?

I have some other bones to pick regarding the Duncan Press web site information but will save that until I have more time. I do appreciate the fact that they help support this web site and I do buy the latest Winnie maps from both Duncan and Bizer.

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

Where is MP HQ in Gilford anyway?

HQ is located right next to the Glendale Town Docks, just off of NH Rte 11 about a half mile east of the NH Rte 11B junction.

(Of course, I realize the question may have been rhetorical...but I figured it couldn't hurt to answer.)

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

Originally Posted by Weekend Pundit

HQ is located right next to the Glendale Town Docks, just off of NH Rte 11 about a half mile east of the NH Rte 11B junction.

(Of course, I realize the question may have been rhetorical...but I figured it couldn't hurt to answer.)

Thanks Weekend Pundit.

It didn't hurt at all and was indeed kinda rhetorical. I know where Marine Patrol HQ is in Glendale. I've been there many times and have met with Director Barrett there on a few occasions over the years (what a nice gentleman). Everyone at MP HQ have always been courteous, cordial and eager help.

The Marine Patrol at Glendale HQ knew nothing about Coast Guard conducted classes given at the Glendale HQ. No one at the phone number listed on the Duncan Press site knew of any Coast Guard courses. I figured there must be a place other than Glendale that houses another branch of Marine Patrol HQ where the Coast Guard courses (promoted by Duncan Press on their Web page) are offered or it could be an error. So I asked.

Plus I am annoyed that they ignored 2 e-mail and one snail mail I sent to them. Not even a generic response from Duncan Press. On the other hand, I've e-mailed Bizer and received timely responses. Over the years Bizer traded e-mail with me regarding topics like some island names and the names/locations of a few coves. Bizer actually answered my e-mail, unlike Duncan Press.

I also spend time in Sanders Bay and like Gilligan, I would love to know where that public dock is. It's shown near Silver Sands in Sanders Bay on the most recent (2005) Duncan Press Winnipesaukee chart. If it were an error I too would imagine it would have been on their corrections page by now, August 2007.

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by Mark

You get the hint that no one wants to share this information with the public.

You probably speed past the public dock all the time without noticing. A public dock in Sanders Bay would quickly become overloaded if everyone knew where it was.

I get a hint that only a very few care about where the Sanders Bay public dock is located. Sea Que's story about Duncan Press ignoring his e-mails and USPS mail hints that Duncan was not just ignoring my e-mails.

The other stuff Sea Que mentioned made me laugh. Not for this thread though. Unless you want Bizer to be looking for those Coast Guard conducted safety classes give at Marine Patrol headquarters in Gilford.

I don't think I'm speeding past any public dock in Sanders Bay Mark.

Good day