Arcade at the end of Weirs boardwalk is closing :-(

[WeirsGurl]

I am absolutely heartbroken to hear this, as I grew up enjoying this arcade, the best one there.

[ishoot308]

I made mention of this last spring in this thread…

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ghlight=Casino

Dan

[John Mercier]

Probably a new dining location.
That could be interesting as the offerings expand.

[Flotnjr]

Can the building hold it? Looks like it's already needing some love. Might try and grab me a skee ball machine!

[garysanfran]

Return Winnipesaukee Gardens. Some great music was played and heard there.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Return Winnipesaukee Gardens. Some great music was played and heard there.

You're talking about Vic Molte and the Barbarians, and Teddy and the Pandas, right? Not that Glenn Miller stuff?

The Weirs was at its peak when we had two dance halls, two bowling alleys and a scattering of unrelated businesses, including a Bingo hall on the Boardwalk and daily events from the rooftop of the train station. Foxy boats, Miss Winnipesaukee, Sophie C, Mount Washington and Uncle Sam, Weirs Drive-In and 28 Flavors at Ho-Jo's.

[LoveLakeLife]

Originally Posted by Descant

You're talking about Vic Molte and the Barbarians, and Teddy and the Pandas, right? Not that Glenn Miller stuff?

The Weirs was at its peak when we had two dance halls, two bowling alleys and a scattering of unrelated businesses, including a Bingo hall on the Boardwalk and daily events from the rooftop of the train station. Foxy boats, Miss Winnipesaukee, Sophie C, Mount Washington and Uncle Sam, Weirs Drive-In and 28 Flavors at Ho-Jo's.

The Glenn Miller stuff was music, along with Count Basie, the Dorsey brothers, Duke Ellington, Benny Goodman, Buddy Rich, et al. The Glenn Miller band still plays more than 200 dates per year, including the Mount Washington Hotel this November.


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[LoveLakeLife]

Originally Posted by Descant

You're talking about Vic Molte and the Barbarians, and Teddy and the Pandas, right? Not that Glenn Miller stuff?

The Weirs was at its peak when we had two dance halls, two bowling alleys and a scattering of unrelated businesses, including a Bingo hall on the Boardwalk and daily events from the rooftop of the train station. Foxy boats, Miss Winnipesaukee, Sophie C, Mount Washington and Uncle Sam, Weirs Drive-In and 28 Flavors at Ho-Jo's.

Where exactly were the bingo hall and the bowling alleys? I know the roller skating rink was where the Weirs Beach bathrooms are now, right? I do remember Howard Johnson’s and the Gandy Dancer.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Descant

You're talking about Vic Molte and the Barbarians, and Teddy and the Pandas, right? Not that Glenn Miller stuff?

The Weirs was at its peak when we had two dance halls, two bowling alleys and a scattering of unrelated businesses, including a Bingo hall on the Boardwalk and daily events from the rooftop of the train station. Foxy boats, Miss Winnipesaukee, Sophie C, Mount Washington and Uncle Sam, Weirs Drive-In and 28 Flavors at Ho-Jo's.

What about the roller rink? How dare you forget Roller Way?!

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[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Descant

You're talking about Vic Molte and the Barbarians, and Teddy and the Pandas, right? Not that Glenn Miller stuff?

The Weirs was at its peak when we had two dance halls, two bowling alleys and a scattering of unrelated businesses, including a Bingo hall on the Boardwalk and daily events from the rooftop of the train station. Foxy boats, Miss Winnipesaukee, Sophie C, Mount Washington and Uncle Sam, Weirs Drive-In and 28 Flavors at Ho-Jo's.

Vanilla Fudge, Tommy James and the Shondells...Remember Teen Haven?

[Biggd]

I, for one, won't miss it. There are plenty of arcades across the street, if that's your thing.

[LIforrelaxin]

Like it or not the lake is changing, the Weirs is going to eventually change inline with the rest of it. People are looking for a more upscale destination. Which is not what most of us grew up around.

That is why camps continue to disappear and year round house go up with landscaping etc. And all the restaurants that come in are higher end.

People are no longer satisfied with good enough, it has to be luxurious and accommodating.

I often wondered how many McMansion's the lake would support..... we have surpassed what I thought. And at this moment I see towns that are trying to force people with camps out, with higher and higher taxes, by increasing land values to unbelievable levels....

Ok I will stop rambling for now.....

[John Mercier]

Towns don't set the value of land, the market does.

Businesses change because the costs are not covered by the revenues.

The Weirs has some limitations on parking, tends to be seasonal, and some things are not as popular as they were with the older generation.

[Biggd]

My father in-law used to say, " the good old days weren't really that good, we just didn't know any better".

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Towns don't set the value of land, the market does.

Businesses change because the costs are not covered by the revenues.

The Weirs has some limitations on parking, tends to be seasonal, and some things are not as popular as they were with the older generation.

Next time my land assessment goes up I will complain to the market.

[John Mercier]

Well, complain to whomever.
But the assessment is based on the market rate.

The assessment, in and of itself, does not create higher taxes.
It can shift more of the tax to a property if that property's value goes up more than average; but overall not something in any one person's control.

The only way to get assessments to go down is make the property less valuable.

[BillTex]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Towns don't set the value of land, the market does.

Businesses change because the costs are not covered by the revenues.

The Weirs has some limitations on parking, tends to be seasonal, and some things are not as popular as they were with the older generation.

Assessments are based on what the municipality budget is. Spend more? Raise taxes.

Supply/demand determines what the “value” is.

[John Mercier]

Assessments are based on market value.

Municipal Budget divided by total assessments sets the municipal rate.

That rate applied to the individual property assessment sets the municipal tax for that property.

They do the same for school budget and county budget.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Assessments are based on market value.

Municipal Budget divided by total assessments sets the municipal rate.

That rate applied to the individual property assessment sets the municipal tax for that property.

They do the same for school budget and county budget.

John, You can not win this discussion.... How is my land with no improvements worth just as much as my neighbors with wonderful landscaping etc. Property on the water does not follow the same rules...... we are judged solely on the basis of waterfrontage, a price is derived and then used to tax everyone, on the water......

[BillTex]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Assessments are based on market value.

Municipal Budget divided by total assessments sets the municipal rate.

That rate applied to the individual property assessment sets the municipal tax for that property.

They do the same for school budget and county budget.

Assessments are based on comparable previous sales. Thank God they are not based on “market value”.

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

John, You can not win this discussion.... How is my land with no improvements worth just as much as my neighbors with wonderful landscaping etc. Property on the water does not follow the same rules...... we are judged solely on the basis of waterfrontage, a price is derived and then used to tax everyone, on the water......

Oh boy this should be interesting!

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by BillTex

Assessments are based on comparable previous sales. Thank God they are not based on “market value”.

Exactly. When we go to sell, we don't sell for the assessed value. At my primary residence my taxes had a huge increase - because my assessment went up. Houses around me sold for many millions of dollars.

Same thing is happening on the island - properties regularly sell into the 7 figures which drives up assessments. Both my hometown and Meredith could choose to spend less money but they don't.

[tis]

What I don't understand and can't get answered is why this round of huge assessment raises, our rate did not go down that much. It seems if assessments went up 30%, rates should go down accordingly. Now, if the town had spent more money I could get that but that didn't happen, not that much more. I mean that is a lot more tax money. What are these towns doing with that much more money? Always before the rate went down accordingly. Not this time.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by tis

What I don't understand and can't get answered is why this round of huge assessment raises, our rate did not go down that much. It seems if assessments went up 30%, rates should go down accordingly. Now, if the town had spent more money I could get that but that didn't happen, not that much more. I mean that is a lot more tax money. What are these towns doing with that much more money? Always before the rate went down accordingly. Not this time.

That's where inflation kicks in. Just like ordinary people getting an estimate on home improvements, that same money doesn't buy what it did last year.

[BroadHopper]

One of the slip owner told me that the Gardens is to become a private club like the balcony room. Oh well.

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Biggd

That's where inflation kicks in. Just like ordinary people getting an estimate on home improvements, that same money doesn't buy what it did last year.

Also, not everyone's assessment goes up at the same rate so some end up with a bigger tax bill year to year than others. Waterfront property on the lake sees assessments increasing more rapidly than houses off the water. Same thing with my primary residence - my location sees assessments rising faster than other parts of town. Not good for my yearly taxes but great if I decide to sell either property.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by BillTex

Assessments are based on comparable previous sales. Thank God they are not based on “market value”.

Previous sales are the market.
They don't use asking price.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

John, You can not win this discussion.... How is my land with no improvements worth just as much as my neighbors with wonderful landscaping etc. Property on the water does not follow the same rules...... we are judged solely on the basis of waterfrontage, a price is derived and then used to tax everyone, on the water......

You would need to meet with the assessor and look over your assessment card.

On my tax card, there is no "enhanced" itemization for landscaping.
It has my decks, patio, and driveway as features.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by tis

What I don't understand and can't get answered is why this round of huge assessment raises, our rate did not go down that much. It seems if assessments went up 30%, rates should go down accordingly. Now, if the town had spent more money I could get that but that didn't happen, not that much more. I mean that is a lot more tax money. What are these towns doing with that much more money? Always before the rate went down accordingly. Not this time.

That is a good question.
Did you ask the town clerk?

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by tis

What I don't understand and can't get answered is why this round of huge assessment raises, our rate did not go down that much. It seems if assessments went up 30%, rates should go down accordingly. Now, if the town had spent more money I could get that but that didn't happen, not that much more. I mean that is a lot more tax money. What are these towns doing with that much more money? Always before the rate went down accordingly. Not this time.

tis, you need to ask the market. It's the market's fault that our assessments are up and we're all paying more in taxes. Can someone please give me the phone number to the market so I too can call and complain?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

tis, you need to ask the market. It's the market's fault that our assessments are up and we're all paying more in taxes. Can someone please give me the phone number to the market so I too can call and complain?

There's a detail missing here. Your July tax is half the previous December tax. It has nothing to do with assessments, new budget or if the moon is made of green cheese. The tax RATE hasn't changed because the rate is set by the state, not the town, in OCTOBER. October is still in the future

Your December tax bill will be based on the budget passed in March/April, the town wide assessed valuation is established in April,(which really isn't fully calculated until several weeks after April), less the arbitrary amount you paid in June.

[chachee52]

So, back to the topic, is anyone else bidding on the skee ball and the Harley Davidson Game?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

John, You can not win this discussion.... How is my land with no improvements worth just as much as my neighbors with wonderful landscaping etc. Property on the water does not follow the same rules...... we are judged solely on the basis of waterfrontage, a price is derived and then used to tax everyone, on the water......

Waterfront lot are not judged "solely on the basis of waterfrontage". The size and contour of the lot has a significant effect on the assessed value.

I have a lot with 100 feet of frontage on the lake but much of the lot is steep and there is a value deduction for that on my tax card. The lot is triangular shaped with 50 feet at the street and 100 feet on the water. The zoning has a 25 foot sideline setback so much of the lot in unbuildable. All of that is considered by the assessors to determine value.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

tis, you need to ask the market. It's the market's fault that our assessments are up and we're all paying more in taxes. Can someone please give me the phone number to the market so I too can call and complain?

I honestly can't disagree with the assessments because the market has been crazy. What I can't understand is that with that much more value why the tax rates didn't go down more. With such a jump in assessments that's a LOT more money.

[John Mercier]

I think Chris (Descant) explained it.

I didn't have a clue how that timing thing worked.

But from his post, I guess the new budget number and new assessment figure affects the December bill, and not the July bill.

The only way to lower assessments is to get people to not want to move here.
Probably some legislative action could be legal; but not sure that it would get broad support.

But like you pointed out, a lower assessment may just mean a higher rate and the same actual tax bill.

[Flotnjr]

Originally Posted by chachee52

So, back to the topic, is anyone else bidding on the skee ball and the Harley Davidson Game?

I was all in on Skeeball until I saw it was $800+ and it's up to me to remove it. The Harley games don't have much action on them.

[BillTex]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Previous sales are the market.
They don't use asking price.

“Market” is what someone is willing to pay.

[tis]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

I think Chris (Descant) explained it.

I didn't have a clue how that timing thing worked.

But from his post, I guess the new budget number and new assessment figure affects the December bill, and not the July bill.

The only way to lower assessments is to get people to not want to move here.
Probably some legislative action could be legal; but not sure that it would get broad support.

But like you pointed out, a lower assessment may just mean a higher rate and the same actual tax bill.

Yes, the rate is set by the state in the fall and ours was affected last fall not this spring. Different towns do assessments at different times/years. Some do a little all the time.

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by Flotnjr

I was all in on Skeeball until I saw it was $800+ and it's up to me to remove it. The Harley games don't have much action on them.

I agree with the Harley game, was just trying to get back on topic. Didn't work.
There are a couple other things I might be interested if I can figure out how to pick it up in the time frame they want it picked up by. Hard to get out of work when they want you there between 8-2 on the 8th or 9th.

[John Mercier]

Surprised that some HD dealer didn't look at it as a nostalgia piece.

[ishoot308]

Heard from a “friend in the know” that some type of nightclub will be going in at this location…The casino is out!
Dan