Gilford Dock Owners losing access to Glendale Launch Ramp

[Rich]

Hi Dan,

Both MVYC and GYC have a boat lift, which is used for large boats, which they charge a fee for launch/haul.

Both Gilford Yacht Club and Glendale Yacht Club do not have a launch ramp for trailers.

I'm not sure if MYVC has a launch ramp for trailers.

But for those of us with smaller boats or PWCs, we use a trailer and need a boat ramp.

Strange thing is that I talked to the Town manager (administrator?) about the issue, he said things are getting so crowded that 'we need to do something'.

Yet 95% of the time, when I use the ramp during the week I rarely meet anyone at the ramp. Of course on a weekend it's busier and I'm sure it's most busy in the mornings, but later in the day, I have never had to wait nor was someone waiting for me at the ramp.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Rich

Hi Dan,

Both MVYC and GYC have a boat lift, which is used for large boats, which they charge a fee for launch/haul.

Both Gilford Yacht Club and Glendale Yacht Club does not have a launch ramp for trailers.

I'm not sure if MYVC has a launch ramp for trailers.

But for those of us with smaller boats or PWCs, we use a trailer and need a boat ramp.

Strange thing is that I talked to the Town manager (administrator?) about the issue, he said things are getting so crowded that 'we need to do something'.

Yet 95% of the time, when I use the ramp during the week I rarely meet anyone at the ramp. Of course on a weekend it's busier and I'm sure it's most busy in the mornings, but later in the day, I have never had to wait nor was someone waiting for me at the ramp.

Wow, Thanks for the info!! I didn't know these places didn't provide a ramp! Seems crazy to me for what they charge!

Dan

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Wow, Thanks for the info!! I didn't know these places didn't provide a ramp! Seems crazy to me for what they charge!
Dan

I'm sure the issue is space for a ramp!

I know at GYC, we don't have a place we could add a ramp. We have never needed a ramp because as taxpayers in Gilford, we could always use the Glendale launch ramp. We tend not to use the parking there as we can always park at 'home'.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm sure the issue is space for a ramp!

I know at GYC, we don't have a place we could add a ramp. We have never needed a ramp because as taxpayers in Gilford, we could always use the Glendale launch ramp. We tend not to use the parking there as we can always park at 'home'.

In theory we could probably turn the lift launch slip into a dual purpose lift/ramp, but that would not be cheap. Excavate out the approach and leave the docks on each side for the lift to run on. The lift would straddle the ramp. Not ideal and not a ton of space to maneuver, but doable. Trying to get the club to bite (and write the check) would be the difficult part.

I will try to make the meeting. Slip owners are not causing the congestion at Glendale.

Out of curiosity, Dave's Motorboat Shop is dropping in and pulling boats there daily. Is he running a valet service or is it customer boats that are Gilford residents coming in and out for repairs?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Out of curiosity, Dave's Motorboat Shop is dropping in and pulling boats there daily. Is he running a valet service or is it customer boats that are Gilford residents coming in and out for repairs?

Dave's stores and repairs a lot of boats and they come and go through Glendale. This time of year they are launching several boats a day.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Dave's stores and repairs a lot of boats and they come and go through Glendale. This time of year they are launching several boats a day.

Right, but my question is he charging for/selling a valet service and using the launch to do it?

[Downeast]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Right, but my question is he charging for/selling a valet service and using the launch to do it?

DMS is not a marina with a valet service.

however there is labor time incurred to haul or launch a boat that has been serviced or stored etc, but is not for a reoccurring valet. totally different animals.

[TiltonBB]

Dave's Motorboat is for sale. It was listed last week after being quietly shopped around for a while. Some of the property is a little "tired" but there is certainly value there. One of the advantages the property has is being close to the Glendale launch ramp.

If an investor buys it to use the 6.25 acres of land for something like condos it will leave about 300 boat owners scrambling for a place to service their boats.

https://rocherealty.com/mls-4957091-...-NH-03249.html

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Dave's Motorboat is for sale. It was listed last week after being quietly shopped around for a while. Some of the property is a little "tired" but there is certainly value there. One of the advantages the property has is being close to the Glendale launch ramp.

If an investor buys it to use the 6.25 acres of land for something like condos it will leave about 300 boat owners scrambling for a place to service their boats.

https://rocherealty.com/mls-4957091-...-NH-03249.html

this is not good, I store there in the winter

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Dave's Motorboat is for sale.

If an investor buys it to use the 6.25 acres of land for something like condos it will leave about 300 boat owners scrambling for a place to service their boats.

https://rocherealty.com/mls-4957091-...-NH-03249.html

Considering the lot is in the Resort Commercial Zone any condos likely wouldn't be for year round residences. Of course getting enough water for that many residences in such a small area may be problematic. Considering the amount of water pulled by both the Meadows and Timber Hill Farm for irrigation, selling condos that may or may not have an adequate supply of water will be tough.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the other boatyards/marinas may snap it up after the bulk of the boating season is over.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Out of curiosity, Dave's Motorboat Shop is dropping in and pulling boats there daily. Is he running a valet service or is it customer boats that are Gilford residents coming in and out for repairs?

THIS ^^^^ is an issue!

[Descant]

Is GYC Glendale YC or Gilford YC?
It seems to me that slip owners at either place would mostly launch in the spring and haul in the fall. This presents minimal Glendale traffic.

When I got a guest parking pass this spring ($25) they asked if I wanted Guest launching privileges too. ($50?) Never used guest launch, but, will this go away?

I'd suggest when you register a boat in Gilford (so they get the revenue) you get e.g. 8 coupons to launch/haul. That covers spring and fall and a couple of times to go for repairs or to fish another lake.

Am I right? This is being suggested by the same Gilford residents who pushed to make the beach residents only instead of taxpayers?
I have to guess that many slip owners, esp. at Glendale YC, are island residents who are paying $7-$8 K a year in property taxes, as well as a tax on the slip. These aren't the folks who are crowding the Glendale ramp on weekends.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Descant

Is GYC Glendale YC or Gilford YC?

I apologize, as an owner I tend to use GYC to mean Gilford Yacht Club.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by codeman671

In theory we could probably turn the lift launch slip into a dual purpose lift/ramp, but that would not be cheap. Excavate out the approach and leave the docks on each side for the lift to run on. The lift would straddle the ramp. Not ideal and not a ton of space to maneuver, but doable. Trying to get the club to bite (and write the check) would be the difficult part.

I will try to make the meeting. Slip owners are not causing the congestion at Glendale.

Out of curiosity, Dave's Motorboat Shop is dropping in and pulling boats there daily. Is he running a valet service or is it customer boats that are Gilford residents coming in and out for repairs?

I agree!

Or change our underutilized Beach to a ramp. It's been kind of ugly now that they installed those kyak racks.

I have also mentioned a removable davit at the corner of the Tammy lift well for use by PWCs since these are our greater need during the season vs boats being spring/fall launched/hauled for the season.

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Wow, Thanks for the info!! I didn't know these places didn't provide a ramp! Seems crazy to me for what they charge!

Dan

Mt. View does in fact have a ramp for trailers.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

Mt. View does in fact have a ramp for trailers.

Thanks. I didn't know this! I've been through there but never noticed it. Where is it located?

[Overlake97]

For the record, I’m pretty sure that Dave’s Motorboat does not offer valet service.

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by Rich

Thanks. I didn't know this! I've been through there but never noticed it. Where is it located?

It's just beyond the office building. I've never used it, as I always use Glendale, but it's there and available to members.

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[BroadHopper]

I talked with a selectman and he explained the situation to me. He was under the impression the slip condo owners have launch privilege at their associations and should be using them. Thus, avoiding the Glendale launch and parking. There were complaints from the island owners.

I am a property owner in Gilford. I launch occasionally in Glendale and I don't see that happening. Maybe because I use it early morning or late evening to avoid the crowd.

He was also told that the selectmen should be thinking about residents only, not landowners who lived elsewhere. Well, that should go big with the island folks! There has always been a problem regarding Gilford residents and the island folks. Especially day docking! I have trouble docking during the day while the Gilford Island docks have plenty of slips!

It will go on and on! I can see why the other lake towns avoid parking privileges for their island residents.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I talked with a selectman and he explained the situation to me. He was under the impression the slip condo owners have launch privilege at their associations and should be using them. Thus, avoiding the Glendale launch and parking. There were complaints from the island owners.

I am a property owner in Gilford. I launch occasionally in Glendale and I don't see that happening. Maybe because I use it early morning or late evening to avoid the crowd.

He was also told that the selectmen should be thinking about residents only, not landowners who lived elsewhere. Well, that should go big with the island folks! There has always been a problem regarding Gilford residents and the island folks. Especially day docking! I have trouble docking during the day while the Gilford Island docks have plenty of slips!

It will go on and on! I can see why the other lake towns avoid parking privileges for their island residents.

People serving as selectman/woman need to be smarter than this. The blow hard loudmouths want to sound like they have good ideas and are the majority but seldom are.

This is why it's so important to pay attention to what they are doing and to research and attend town meetings if you still have that right.

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by ITD

People serving as selectman/woman need to be smarter than this. The blow hard loudmouths want to sound like they have good ideas and are the majority but seldom are.

This is why it's so important to pay attention to what they are doing and to research and attend town meetings if you still have that right.

Regarding to the changes in Glendale regulations it wasn't the Selectcritters who proposed this, but the Glendale Committee. The Board of Selectmen held a public hearing on the matter and prior to that public hearing received a lot of public input - e-mails and phone calls from what I heard at the public hearing - and the BOS realized that part of the changed Glendale regulations were unworkable. The BOS chair made a motion to remove the proposed changes affecting those who have been using the docks with a few exceptions (the exception being use by barges, if memory serves). The motion passed and the crappy part of the proposed regulations were dead.

The BOS did it's job and listened to the public. The BOS doesn't always know how people will be affected by changes. That's what public hearings are for. It's one reason they are also revisiting the Gilford Beach regulations because the changes went too far.

[steve-on-mark]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I talked with a selectman and he explained the situation to me. He was under the impression the slip condo owners have launch privilege at their associations and should be using them. Thus, avoiding the Glendale launch and parking. There were complaints from the island owners.

I am a property owner in Gilford. I launch occasionally in Glendale and I don't see that happening. Maybe because I use it early morning or late evening to avoid the crowd.

He was also told that the selectmen should be thinking about residents only, not landowners who lived elsewhere. Well, that should go big with the island folks! There has always been a problem regarding Gilford residents and the island folks. Especially day docking! I have trouble docking during the day while the Gilford Island docks have plenty of slips!

It will go on and on! I can see why the other lake towns avoid parking privileges for their island residents.

is this the point that we should have the " what do Gilford Island owners get for the thousands of tax dollars they pay " conversation??

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

is this the point that we should have the " what do Gilford Island owners get for the thousands of tax dollars they pay " conversation??

More than the Meredith island owners! Seriously, it does seem like it is in a town's best interest to help ensure access to island property. I would think it increases property values, hence revenue, with minimal corresponding impact on services. Of course, that is from the perspective of an islander!

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

is this the point that we should have the " what do Gilford Island owners get for the thousands of tax dollars they pay " conversation??

Selectmen don't have a say in property valuation. The state AKA education tax AKA view tax had placed a huge burden on farmers and those who have undeveloped land. This is one reason large landowners decide to join non-profit conservatory trusts.

So take it up with the state, not the local municipals.

Most island owners outside of Gilford own their slips on the mainland.

[codeman671]

Meredith could care less about islanders...Luckily they have a fire boat though!

Gilford has invested a lot in infrastructure for islanders. Glendale is a great facility. Their new fire boat is awesome. It saved our house last week when Meredith called in for mutual aid.

Hopefully they figure out the parking situation and solve the real problem. The islanders and slip owners aren't the basis for it.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by steve-on-mark

is this the point that we should have the " what do Gilford Island owners get for the thousands of tax dollars they pay " conversation??

$$ Millions, not thousands.

We will reach a point where islanders will have to have their own mainland access point instead of relying on Glendale as their "free" summer marina. The Selectmen will go to four hour docking as other towns have done. We already see other towns where island real estate will only sell/rent if there is "guaranteed" mainland parking and dock access. OR, return to the old days when you kept your boat at camp and took a water taxi to/from Glendale.