Seaplane Base and runway 19 Mile Bay Proposed

[Epic Seaplane Adventures]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Lawnmower? You’ve reached another level of arrogance.

I am not the one who posted the decibel levels. Now you are trying to unwind your post...

[LIforrelaxin]

So all this discussion about noise... Makes me think about the boat noise debate.... some fun information on this subject...

1. When sound is at 85 decibels for a duration of a work shift (8 hours) OHSA requires hearing protection
2. how loud is your average construction site -- around 100 decibels
3. how load is a conversation between two individuals sitting at a table --- around 60 decibels...

With this said, those who argue over noise pollution, as a reason not to allow a personal sea plane to go in and out of the town dock... better not be yelling, or having any work done....

Over all people tend to be too worked up over this.... I understand both sides, I have talked with EPIC.... I see where he stands and honestly he is well within his rights. Now if you want to argue over other elements of getting the seaplane base designation, you really need to be talking to the Pier 19 store owner, is is far more able or likely to actually do something with the approval if it happens.

[John Mercier]

Stationary dB testing with calibrated equipment set to an A-Weighting at 20 inches from the exhaust really isn't comparable to a moving object at unknown distance.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

.... I understand both sides, I have talked with EPIC.... I see where he stands and honestly he is well within his rights. Now if you want to argue over other elements of getting the seaplane base designation, you really need to be talking to the Pier 19 store owner, is is far more able or likely to actually do something with the approval if it happens.

Nobody is trying to infringe upon Epic's rights--he is free to fly his plane. He has asked for things, such as dock modifications, that the town may grant. But he does not have a right to those things.

All people have a right to express their opinion. Epic has criticized people vehemently for exercising those rights.

So I think you have the rights thing backwards.

[TheTimeTraveler]

I wonder if 19 Mile Bay is actually a smokescreen? Maybe the Town will tell him to pay for and build a dock at 20 Mile Bay instead. This way no one can complain about altering or using the existing dock.

Plenty of parking available on the north bound side of Route 109.

I wonder if this could be the perfect solution?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

I wonder if 19 Mile Bay is actually a smokescreen? Maybe the Town will tell him to pay for and build a dock at 20 Mile Bay instead. This way no one can complain about altering or using the existing dock.

Plenty of parking available on the north bound side of Route 109.

I wonder if this could be the perfect solution?

Same issue--just different people involved. 20 Mile Bay is a public beach. Giving away a public beach to a business is no different than giving away dock space.

[Seaplane Pilot]

New seaplane service just announced between Boston and New York. No problem with seaplanes in either of these locations, but of course 19 Mike Bay in Tuftonboro, NH is a lot busier than Boston Harbor and New York’s East River….

https://onemileatatime.com/news/tail...ts-boston-nyc/

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

New seaplane service just announced between Boston and New York. No problem with seaplanes in either of these locations, but of course 19 Mike Bay in Tuftonboro, NH is a lot busier than Boston Harbor and New York’s East River….

https://onemileatatime.com/news/tail...ts-boston-nyc/

You are correct--19 Mile Bay is a lot busier than either--on the weekend there are many more boats and people per acre of water surface. If you doubt this, take a flight to visit all three this Saturday, and let us know which location is easiest to find open water for your landing

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You are correct--19 Mile Bay is a lot busier than either--on the weekend there are many more boats and people per acre of water surface. If you doubt this, take a flight to visit all three this Saturday, and let us know which location is easiest to find open water for your landing

Want to come with me? I can assure you that 19 Mile is not a problem even on the busiest days. As I've said before, Lakes Region Seaplane Tours operated out of Paugus Bay for several years (as did their predecessors), and again there was never a problem. Just another case of NIMBY against some guy trying to make an effort to open a business on State / Public waters.

[BrunoSR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Want to come with me? I can assure you that 19 Mile is not a problem even on the busiest days. As I've said before, Lakes Region Seaplane Tours operated out of Paugus Bay for several years (as did their predecessors), and again there was never a problem. Just another case of NIMBY against some guy trying to make an effort to open a business on State / Public waters.

Just a question, did Lakes Region Sea Plane Tours use public or private docks to pick up and drop off their customers?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by BrunoSR

Just a question, did Lakes Region Sea Plane Tours use public or private docks to pick up and drop off their customers?

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

[marinewife]

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by marinewife

There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.

If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback.

To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans.

If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them.

I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal.

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

Although a number of people have expressed concern about traffic and safety, nobody has said he shouldn't be able to use the lake.

There have been dozens of posters on other threads complaining about wake boats' wakes and noise. I'm surprised you don't remember.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Although a number of people have expressed concern about traffic and safety, nobody has said he shouldn't be able to use the lake.

There have been dozens of posters on other threads complaining about wake boats' wakes and noise. I'm surprised you don't remember.

Come on, FS. All the ranting and raving on this about boat traffic, dangerous conditions, noise etc., is specific to the seaplane operations in 19 Mile Bay. The efforts are to prohibit him from operating in that area, which is public access owned by the State. Therefore, they don't want him to use the lake in this specific area.

Regarding wake boats, noise, wakes etc.: OK, there have been numerous threads on here about it, but that's where it ends. No organized efforts to combat loud music and rid 19 Mile Bay of these boats and their associated noise.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Come on, FS. All the ranting and raving on this about boat traffic, dangerous conditions, noise etc., is specific to the seaplane operations in 19 Mile Bay. The efforts are to prohibit him from operating in that area, which is public access owned by the State. Therefore, they don't want him to use the lake in this specific area.

Regarding wake boats, noise, wakes etc.: OK, there have been numerous threads on here about it, but that's where it ends. No organized efforts to combat loud music and rid 19 Mile Bay of these boats and their associated noise.

Yes, there are a number of people in 19 Mile Bay who do not want planes up and down hourly in their back yards. I don't find that unreasonable or infringing on normal plane use of the lake. Just as I don't find it unreasonable to object to circling wake boats.

There has been organized opposition to wake boats. It was beaten back, as these things often are, by industry lobbying that stacked the deck against real action. You might Google NH wake boat commission or something like that. Look at the composition of the committee. Try not to laugh/cry at the idea of that particular group of people representing the general public's view on wake boats.

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I can't speak for any others that are "pro-Epic", but I can tell you for sure, that I have one sign-in name only. I don't know Epic, but what gets me upset is the NIMBY crowd trying to stop appropriate use of State waters. I don't care about the dock issue - that's Epic's problem. As far as the noise is concerned, where's the outrage over all the wake boats blasting hideous music at all hours of the day?

Nobody here has any issue with his access to state waters....seaplanes have been here many years. The issue is using a public dock to operate a commercial business from and the liability exposure the town and its taxpayers have from accidents, incidents or injuries. If he wants to use his own dock or the store owner wants to use hers...they can..

[SAB1]

Additionally, a dock with limited boat access as it stands at present.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

Nobody here has any issue with his access to state waters....seaplanes have been here many years. The issue is using a public dock to operate a commercial business from and the liability exposure the town and its taxpayers have from accidents, incidents or injuries. If he wants to use his own dock or the store owner wants to use hers...they can..

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

Could it have been simply for informational purposes for those interested in how loud it was?

[Sundancer320]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Post #385: Your post said "Standing at our dock on Chase we recorded 84 decibel peak and constant 80 decibels during the takeoff run."

If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock?

So what Sherlock.... it’s also noisy.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Sundancer320

So what Sherlock.... it’s also noisy.

So there is another agenda. And by the way, pound sand on the Sherlock name calling.

[Closetzguy]

if you have taken a party up for a ride and the public dock fills with boats having lunch, buying ice cream, launching boats, etc.......what do you do when you land and you have another party waiting to go up?

Do you just idle around the no wake buoy until something opens up? That seems dangerous if that prop is spinning around. Not to mention loud and creating lots of exhaust. If you choose to float around further out in the bay, you will be certain to get passed over by other boats sneaking into the dock in front of you.

If and when a spot does open up.....it maybe something inbound and difficult for you to get into safely.

You could literally get stuck out there for quite a while. I have gone there many times on the weekend and not been able to dock......and waited 30 plus minutes or just turned around and left. That's with an easily maneuverable boat, not a plane.

Thoughts?

[BrunoSR]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Private, as far as I know. I have no dog in the fight, and have no interest in the dock usage at 19 mile. My interest is in the (bogus) argument that 19 mile bay is too busy for seaplane ops.

I have no dog in the fight either. I rent a dock on the other side of the lake, though we do drop a hook in both 19 and 20 mile bays for lunch.

I don't believe the people that are against it, think there isn't enough space for both boat and plane out on the water. It's at the dock that is an issue. Of course I could be totally wrong.

Maybe he should buy or rent a slip and run a launch between dock and boat.... just an idea.