The Dive

[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Do I think they could succeed, Yes but they need to find a land based partner that has water access, in a commercial setting, that will allow them to function, both tied up, and underway. And then before jumping into action and operations with that partner, clear the plan with the town... The problem is that partnership is going to require the dive to buy into that business, or that business to buy into the Dive....

And it seems to me like the most likely viable partnering option for the "move around the lake" model might have been the Mount Washington. Share dock space somehow. No idea if it could have worked or not, just a thought.

[LikeLakes]

I'd like to announce my plan for next year. Based on learning from The Dive's mistakes, I'm building a blimp based restaurant/bar. It will float 20 ft. off the water, making it immune to state boating and safety regs, we'll fly it to some farmer's rented field at off hours eliminating docking problems. We're going to work out a contract with ESA to fly patrons to it where they will climb up a rope ladder to the dining room and bar. Future upgrades will be an escalator that lowers to water level. For those at Braun Bay that need some shade they can anchor under the shadow of the blimp.

And after careful thought and enlisting the best design teams in the area, I've decided to paint it yellow.

[Jersey Bob]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

I'd like to announce my plan for next year. Based on learning from The Dive's mistakes, I'm building a blimp based restaurant/bar. It will float 20 ft. off the water, making it immune to state boating and safety regs, we'll fly it to some farmer's rented field at off hours eliminating docking problems. We're going to work out a contract with ESA to fly patrons to it where they will climb up a rope ladder to the dining room and bar. Future upgrades will be an escalator that lowers to water level. For those at Braun Bay that need some shade they can anchor under the shadow of the blimp.

And after careful thought and enlisting the best design teams in the area, I've decided to paint it yellow.

Brilliant!

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

I'd like to announce my plan for next year. Based on learning from The Dive's mistakes, I'm building a blimp based restaurant/bar. It will float 20 ft. off the water, making it immune to state boating and safety regs, we'll fly it to some farmer's rented field at off hours eliminating docking problems. We're going to work out a contract with ESA to fly patrons to it where they will climb up a rope ladder to the dining room and bar. Future upgrades will be an escalator that lowers to water level. For those at Braun Bay that need some shade they can anchor under the shadow of the blimp.

And after careful thought and enlisting the best design teams in the area, I've decided to paint it yellow.

You should plan to add an option for skydiving from your blimp. From what I hear, it is super easy to setup a local skydiving operation and the FAA will help you out with whatever you need.

[garysanfran]

"For those at Braun Bay that need some shade they can anchor under the shadow of the blimp".

And enjoy the yellow rain?

[wentworthwhitbreadIII]

Anyone know where the Dive is pumping their holding tanks?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by wentworthwhitbreadIII

Anyone know where the Dive is pumping their holding tanks?

Does it really matter as long as they’re doing it legally?


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[wentworthwhitbreadIII]

I was hoping to squelch the rumors out there with some facts. Some nitwit at another beach bar on PB was showing a video he claimed was gray water from the Dive. I couldn't less about the Dive as most of their issues appear to have been self-made, but I also don't think d-bags should be spreading unfounded lies about them.

[TiltonBB]

I have seen them in Meredith at the public pump out stations several times. That may not be the only place they pump out but I know that is one that they use.

I am sure with the food facilities onboard and all the inspections they have had they are fine.

Despite what some people may post, the owners are decent people who have invested a lot of their own time and money to bring something different to the lake.

I would rather have the Dive go by my house 10 times than have one of those make a wake loud stereo boats set up out front and entertain everyone within 2 miles for an hour.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I have seen them in Meredith at the public pump out stations several times. That may not be the only place they pump out but I know that is one that they use.

I am sure with the food facilities onboard and all the inspections they have had they are fine.

Despite what some people may post, the owners are decent people who have invested a lot of their own time and money to bring something different to the lake.

I would rather have the Dive go by my house 10 times than have one of those make a wake loud stereo boats set up out front and entertain everyone within 2 miles for an hour.

The Dive is constantly trashed here but as we all know there are two sides to every story.

Also it may be something I visit only once a season I can tell you that when you see it out it is always packed and people are having a blast. After all isn’t that what it’s about.


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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The Dive is constantly trashed here but as we all know there are two sides to every story.

Also it may be something I visit only once a season I can tell you that when you see it out it is always packed and people are having a blast. After all isn’t that what it’s about.


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Actually, I think there is 100% agreement on The Dive:

I have never heard the detractors disparage the drinks or service--so I think we all accept that it's a fun place to go for a drink.

I have never heard it's supporters dispute the notion that it is an eyesore, and in a recent thread an earsore--so I think we all accept that it's ugly and overbearing.

These things can be true simultaneously

[AC2717]

I, don't think it is ugly and I appauld the business venture. I think it is a great idea, and I do not mind it in my backyard, but what I would mind is it blaring music, if it were (first example was this July 4th) everytime it is there

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by AC2717

I, don't think it is ugly and I appauld the business venture. I think it is a great idea, and I do not mind it in my backyard, but what I would mind is it blaring music, if it were (first example was this July 4th) everytime it is there

When you say you're happy to have it in your backyard, but not happy with the music, you seem to be splitting hairs. I don't think you should feel badly about others calling you a NIMBY. Whether it's the view or the music, would anyone really want this thing in their backyard?

[Mr. V]

Couldn't they perhaps work out something with a marina, e.g. West Alton or Minge cove, to allow them to moor there when not in actio

[NH.Solar]

I think the Dive should moor on the deep side of the T'boro dock at 19 Mile Bay. That way clients could choose to go left to get high at the Dive, or right to get high with Epic...

[sum-r breeze]

We went to the Paugus Bay sandbar specifically because The Dive was going to be there. I can’t even begin to tell you how great a time we had with Betsy and Jamie. It’s a rare thing in today’s world where the owners of a business are on site every time it’s in operation. Both were there and were absolutely the most friendly and welcoming of any Bar / Restaurant I’ve been to in the Lakes Region. We had drinks, appetizers and lunch. We met people who were friends of the owners and they invited us to a land based party later in the evening. We didn’t attend but once again….met some awesome people had some great food and genuinely had a great time. So the enormous amount of support by The Dive patrons that I saw while on board should be the real “litmus” test as to whether they should be on the Lake and doing their thing. NOT the small handful of detractors constantly complaining about them.

The Breeze (aka Paulie)

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

We went to the Paugus Bay sandbar specifically because The Dive was going to be there. I can’t even begin to tell you how great a time we had with Betsy and Jamie. It’s a rare thing in today’s world where the owners of a business are on site every time it’s in operation. Both were there and were absolutely the most friendly and welcoming of any Bar / Restaurant I’ve been to in the Lakes Region. We had drinks, appetizers and lunch. We met people who were friends of the owners and they invited us to a land based party later in the evening. We didn’t attend but once again….met some awesome people had some great food and genuinely had a great time. So the enormous amount of support by The Dive patrons that I saw while on board should be the real “litmus” test as to whether they should be on the Lake and doing their thing. NOT the small handful of detractors constantly complaining about them.

The Breeze (aka Paulie)

Awesome post Paulie. People seem to have a great time and I hope they continue to be busy and become a successful business in the lakes region. The small amount of detractors here have will have little influence on its future.


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[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Awesome post Paulie. People seem to have a great time and I hope they continue to be busy and become a successful business in the lakes region. The small amount of detractors here have will have little influence on its future.


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These types of things usually run into enough drama that they get snuffed.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

We went to the Paugus Bay sandbar specifically because The Dive was going to be there. I can’t even begin to tell you how great a time we had with Betsy and Jamie. It’s a rare thing in today’s world where the owners of a business are on site every time it’s in operation. Both were there and were absolutely the most friendly and welcoming of any Bar / Restaurant I’ve been to in the Lakes Region. We had drinks, appetizers and lunch. We met people who were friends of the owners and they invited us to a land based party later in the evening. We didn’t attend but once again….met some awesome people had some great food and genuinely had a great time. So the enormous amount of support by The Dive patrons that I saw while on board should be the real “litmus” test as to whether they should be on the Lake and doing their thing. NOT the small handful of detractors constantly complaining about them.

The Breeze (aka Paulie)

Great positive post. Thanks for a full review.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

We went to the Paugus Bay sandbar specifically because The Dive was going to be there. I can’t even begin to tell you how great a time we had with Betsy and Jamie. It’s a rare thing in today’s world where the owners of a business are on site every time it’s in operation. Both were there and were absolutely the most friendly and welcoming of any Bar / Restaurant I’ve been to in the Lakes Region. We had drinks, appetizers and lunch. We met people who were friends of the owners and they invited us to a land based party later in the evening. We didn’t attend but once again….met some awesome people had some great food and genuinely had a great time. So the enormous amount of support by The Dive patrons that I saw while on board should be the real “litmus” test as to whether they should be on the Lake and doing their thing. NOT the small handful of detractors constantly complaining about them.

The Breeze (aka Paulie)

By this rationale, McDonald's could set up a restaurant in the Wolfeboro public parking lot if enough people liked it? Or Epic could set up a seaplane operation at the Pier 19 public docks?

That a commercial business using public resources to profit is ok as long as it passes the "litmus test" of enough people liking it?

As I've said in the past, as long as The Dive keeps moving, it's less of a problem. The moment it monopolizes one public space, however, it should be rejected—for every one of you who "seeks it out," there's just as many or more who seek to avoid it.

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[TomF]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

By this rationale, McDonald's could set up a restaurant in the Wolfeboro public parking lot if enough people liked it? Or Epic could set up a seaplane operation at the Pier 19 public docks?

That a commercial business using public resources to profit is ok as long as it passes the "litmus test" of enough people liking it?

As I've said in the past, as long as The Dive keeps moving, it's less of a problem. The moment it monopolizes one public space, however, it should be rejected—for every one of you who "seeks it out," there's just as many or more who seek to avoid it.

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So is it anchored there overnight and all trough the week or does it move there every day?


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TomF

So is it anchored there overnight and all trough the week or does it move there every day?


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It has a dock on Paugus it returns to at the end on the day. You are not allowed to anchor on the water overnight on Winnipesaukee


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[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

By this rationale, McDonald's could set up a restaurant in the Wolfeboro public parking lot if enough people liked it? Or Epic could set up a seaplane operation at the Pier 19 public docks?

That a commercial business using public resources to profit is ok as long as it passes the "litmus test" of enough people liking it?

As I've said in the past, as long as The Dive keeps moving, it's less of a problem. The moment it monopolizes one public space, however, it should be rejected—for every one of you who "seeks it out," there's just as many or more who seek to avoid it.

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I don't understand your position against "...commercial business using public resources to profit....."

Every marina on this lake uses public resources to profit. Every charter boat (including Mt. Washington and its sister vessels) uses public resources to profit. The NASWA, Church Landing, Town Docks and every other restaurant with private docks use public resources to profit. Why is it ok for some, but not ok for others?

[fatlazyless]

Just wondering here ...... it's become a somewhat regular occurrence for me to see other shoppers, always men, in the Plymouth Market Basket who are dressed in various informal clothing and have a black semi-auto hand gun either in a holster or inside their belt with the handlle showing. Apparently this is okay to do at Market Basket but is not allowed at Walmart and you never see it at Walmart.

Question to you: As a patron of The Dive would you be okay with another Dive patron openly, in plain sight, wearing a holstered black semi-auto hand gun while eating and drinking onboard The Dive?

Maybe I should start a new thread on this just cause it will give me something to do, here!

If it is accepted and okay at Market Basket-Plymouth NH, do you think it would be accepted and okay onboard The Dive, in your opinion, if you were a patron there at the time?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I don't understand your position against "...commercial business using public resources to profit....."

Every marina on this lake uses public resources to profit. Every charter boat (including Mt. Washington and its sister vessels) uses public resources to profit. The NASWA, Church Landing, Town Docks and every other restaurant with private docks use public resources to profit. Why is it ok for some, but not ok for others?

All of those examples own the property they use or lease publicly owned property that the public (as decided by elected representatives) has deemed valuable and/or are transient.

To me, the lake and its coves and sandbars and public docks, etc. are like little state parks that should not be affected long-term by or profited off by commercial businesses.

If the Dive kept moving—minimizing its overall impact on landowners, boaters, other waterfront businesses—I don't think people would have nearly as much of a problem.

It's really too bad the Weirs didn't work out because I think that could've been a win-win.


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[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

All of those examples own the property they use or lease publicly owned property that the public (as decided by elected representatives) has deemed valuable and/or are transient.

To me, the lake and its coves and sandbars and public docks, etc. are like little state parks that should not be affected long-term by or profited off by commercial businesses.

If the Dive kept moving—minimizing its overall impact on landowners, boaters, other waterfront businesses—I don't think people would have nearly as much of a problem.

It's really too bad the Weirs didn't work out because I think that could've been a win-win.


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How do you feel about the pontoon boats that travel around selling ice cream, etc? Is it just that the Dive anchors at the spot for the day? Just trying to understand your thought process.


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

How do you feel about the pontoon boats that travel around selling ice cream, etc? Is it just that the Dive anchors at the spot for the day? Just trying to understand your thought process.


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The ice cream dude is in one place for a few minutes—he does not use public property to launch or wait for customers, and he doesn't monopolize or affect any one space for more than a few minutes. People can go, or own, anywhere on the lake and their use of the space will not be affected long-term.

The Dive sits in place for whole days and, as it has been in Paugus this year and W. Alton a couple years back, weeks at a time. People cannot use that public space, nor can they own there, without being affected by it.

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[Garcia]

I don't want The Dive parking in front of my house. I don't like the concept of it. If it were a floating bar/restaurant, a cruising vessel, or more mobile and could cruise around the lake a stop and different locations over the course a a day, fine. Better yet, if there were a website with real time GPS and an app so you could order and go pick up the order, I would give it a try.

[wentworthwhitbreadIII]

The owners of the Dive are claiming "woke" culture is against them on FB, but they are also promoting "Save our Sandbars" on FB when no one complaining about the Dive has suggested closing down any of the sandbars. While I fully support their rights to operate their business, they should focus on their mission and build relationships with the community and their patrons versus conflating the issue into something it's not.

[sum-r breeze]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

By this rationale, McDonald's could set up a restaurant in the Wolfeboro public parking lot if enough people liked it? Or Epic could set up a seaplane operation at the Pier 19 public docks?

That a commercial business using public resources to profit is ok as long as it passes the "litmus test" of enough people liking it?

As I've said in the past, as long as The Dive keeps moving, it's less of a problem. The moment it monopolizes one public space, however, it should be rejected—for every one of you who "seeks it out," there's just as many or more who seek to avoid it.

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Ok, you just keep whining and complaining, I'll keep going to The Dive and enjoying my Summer with them. I only post about my direct experiences so people who HAVEN'T been on it will get the proper information. They run a great operation and have the following on the lake to prove it. The place is always busy and the food quality and drinks are top notch. Bravo Jaime and Betsy!!

The Breeze (aka paulie)

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

Ok, you just keep whining and complaining, I'll keep going to The Dive and enjoying my Summer with them. I only post about my direct experiences so people who HAVEN'T been on it will get the proper information. They run a great operation and have the following on the lake to prove it. The place is always busy and the food quality and drinks are top notch. Bravo Jaime and Betsy!!

The Breeze (aka paulie)

I'll remember that when the lake is "presented courtesy of Coca-Cola."

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[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by sum-r breeze

Ok, you just keep whining and complaining, I'll keep going to The Dive and enjoying my Summer with them. I only post about my direct experiences so people who HAVEN'T been on it will get the proper information. They run a great operation and have the following on the lake to prove it. The place is always busy and the food quality and drinks are top notch. Bravo Jaime and Betsy!!

The Breeze (aka paulie)

Maybe if the place is always busy they will add a 3rd story before the 2022 season!

Glad you posted, good to have balance and all sides of the story. Who knows how many feel one way vs. another way. My feeling has always been as long as they are following all rules and have all needed permits, then hope things go well for them.

[WillyK]

Originally Posted by NH.Solar

I think the Dive should moor on the deep side of the T'boro dock at 19 Mile Bay. That way clients could choose to go left to get high at the Dive, or right to get high with Epic...

How about The Dive just straps on a propeller and becomes a seaplane? Two benefits:

1. It can land directly at each day's sandbar destination, avoiding routes near the "it's an eyesore" critics.
2. This forum can consolidate all the Dive threads with the 19 Mile Bay seaplane threads. So efficient!



FWIW, I don't mind the Dive. I've been on it only twice, had a good time, and it's a fun oddity to share with guests who visit. Admittedly, it doesn't pass by my place directly (bridge near me would decapitate the second floor). Easier to be relaxed about it when I only have to experience it amidst the chaos of a Braun Bay sandbar party (where The Dive is rarely the most offensive boat nearby...)

[winni83]

It appears that Jamison Merriman, co owner of the Dive, does not think much of this forum. From his FB page.

“For the idiots on Winnipesaukee forum, you know the ones that hide behind their keyboards.. idiots
May be an image of one or more people and text that says 'Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.' “

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by winni83

It appears that Jamison Merriman, co owner of the Dive, does not think much of this forum. From his FB page.

“For the idiots on Winnipesaukee forum, you know the ones that hide behind their keyboards.. idiots
May be an image of one or more people and text that says 'Always remember... Rumors are carried by haters, spread by fools, and accepted by idiots.' “

Name calling seems to be the new norm these days.
What's the old saying, "you get more bees with honey"?

[winni83]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Name calling seems to be the new norm these days.
What's the old saying, "you get more bees with honey"?

I agree. There are a lot of nasty comments on the various FB pages that support the Dive. Here is one from the Dive's own page made by someone referring to those that do not like or oppose the Dive. The comment was "liked" by the Dive:

"These people need their faces punched in."

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by winni83

I agree. There are a lot of nasty comments on the various FB pages that support the Dive. Here is one from the Dive's own page made by someone referring to those that do not like or oppose the Dive. The comment was "liked" by the Dive:

"These people need their faces punched in."

Maybe everyone will be a little less grumpy now that the sun is out.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Maybe everyone will be a little less grump now that the sun is out.

Agree


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[John Mercier]

I don't think they are grumpy.
Just a lot of people moving in different directions.

We see this with every New Money cycle. Our teachers used to warn us about it.
Economic boom resulting in growth and diversity, and then the decline.
Some declines are slow and steady, were most everyone adjusts; some are just dramatic with heartbreaking results.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by winni83

I agree. There are a lot of nasty comments on the various FB pages that support the Dive. Here is one from the Dive's own page made by someone referring to those that do not like or oppose the Dive. The comment was "liked" by the Dive:

"These people need their faces punched in."

Its a total turn off on any forum when it gets personal or violent.

No one wins,,,

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by WillyK

How about The Dive just straps on a propeller and becomes a seaplane? Two benefits:

1. It can land directly at each day's sandbar destination, avoiding routes near the "it's an eyesore" critics.
2. This forum can consolidate all the Dive threads with the 19 Mile Bay seaplane threads. So efficient!



FWIW, I don't mind the Dive. I've been on it only twice, had a good time, and it's a fun oddity to share with guests who visit. Admittedly, it doesn't pass by my place directly (bridge near me would decapitate the second floor). Easier to be relaxed about it when I only have to experience it amidst the chaos of a Braun Bay sandbar party (where The Dive is rarely the most offensive boat nearby...)

Actually Braun Bay seems like the perfect place for the Dive, it should blend in perfectly and have little impact.

Braun Bay is so much better than the tiny sandbars at West Alton and Paugas Bay, they make no sense at all for such a huge piece of equipment. They must displace 20+ boats on the West Alton or Paugas Bay sandbars. I also cant imagine the Margate is thrilled to have it there.

Is there some reason it no longer goes to Braun?

[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Is there some reason it no longer goes to Braun?

I would guess navigation challenges. From it's dock in Paugus to Braun must take a chunk of time, what does it travel at, 5-6 mph?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Actually Braun Bay seems like the perfect place for the Dive, it should blend in perfectly and have little impact.

Braun Bay is so much better than the tiny sandbars at West Alton and Paugas Bay, they make no sense at all for such a huge piece of equipment. They must displace 20+ boats on the West Alton or Paugas Bay sandbars. I also cant imagine the Margate is thrilled to have it there.

Is there some reason it no longer goes to Braun?

I would imagine its a long ride in wide open water, and not easily accessible to re-supply during the day if needed. It does make sense to be there though.

I need to make it a point to try it sometime soon.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Actually Braun Bay seems like the perfect place for the Dive, it should blend in perfectly and have little impact.

Braun Bay is so much better than the tiny sandbars at West Alton and Paugas Bay, they make no sense at all for such a huge piece of equipment. They must displace 20+ boats on the West Alton or Paugas Bay sandbars. I also cant imagine the Margate is thrilled to have it there.

Is there some reason it no longer goes to Braun?

If you have seen it set up at Paugus or West Alton you could seen it displaces 4-5 boats at the most and these locations fit very well into their plan this year. Very little travel and easy to resupply during the day with nice size crowds

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by joey2665

If you have seen it set up at Paugus or West Alton you could seen it displaces 4-5 boats at the most and these locations fit very well into their plan this year. Very little travel and easy to resupply during the day with nice size crowds

Yes I have seen it at West Alton and your 4 - 5 boat estimate is way off, its huge.

Are you talking about 4 - 5 35' boats or 20' boats???

It probably displaces more than double your 4 - 5 boats estimate just around the parameter, let alone the actual footprint of its structure.

In a place like Braun it would have minimal impact, but somewhere like West Alton or ever worse the Paugas sandbar, its overwhelming!

[John Mercier]

The sandbars already have a crowd.
So travelling to them, and then doing what you can to attract customer is the business rational.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Yes I have seen it at West Alton and your 4 - 5 boat estimate is way off, its huge.

Are you talking about 4 - 5 35' boats or 20' boats???

It probably displaces more than double your 4 - 5 boats estimate just around the parameter, let alone the actual footprint of its structure.

In a place like Braun it would have minimal impact, but somewhere like West Alton or ever worse the Paugas sandbar, its overwhelming!

XCR... You have your math wrong!

The NHMP measures from the gunwale to gunwale when determining rafting distance, not center line to center line.

The Dive measures at 20' beam x 60' length. so to make it easy, say you are in a no rafting zone like Braun or West Alton where boats have to stay 25' apart.... the Dive takes up the same approximate space of 2 boats (8.5' x 20')... 17' for the beam of the 2 boats + 75' distance.

25' + (Dive 60') +25' = 110' total

25' + (8.5' boat) + 25' + (8.5' boat) + 25' for s total of 92'

So there is really only 18' linear difference.... so to be fair lets say it takes up 2.5 smaller boats worth of space... or 2 large cabin cruisers!

In places like Braun Bay & West Alton, its entirely possible for them to anchor outside the no rafting zone.

In places like the Margate sandbar.... it is not a NRZ.


Woodsy

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

XCR... You have your math wrong!

The NHMP measures from the gunwale to gunwale when determining rafting distance, not center line to center line.

The Dive measures at 20' beam x 60' length. so to make it easy, say you are in a no rafting zone like Braun or West Alton where boats have to stay 25' apart.... the Dive takes up the same approximate space of 2 boats (8.5' x 20')... 17' for the beam of the 2 boats + 75' distance.

25' + (Dive 60') +25' = 110' total

25' + (8.5' boat) + 25' + (8.5' boat) + 25' for s total of 92'

So there is really only 18' linear difference.... so to be fair lets say it takes up 2.5 smaller boats worth of space... or 2 large cabin cruisers!

In places like Braun Bay & West Alton, its entirely possible for them to anchor outside the no rafting zone.

In places like the Margate sandbar.... it is not a NRZ.


Woodsy

Clearly you dont anchor at West Alton or Paugas bay on the weekend, boats are stuffed in like people on the "T"

If someone cannonballs into the water every boat bobs from the splash ;-)

My math may be wrong, but 2.5 boats, no chance,,,

LOVE this picture of the DIVE at Braun, fits rignt in at Braun, clearly a mistake to park it at West Alton or Paugas.

[Woodsy]

Your math is absolutely wrong... You cannot be mad at the Dive for other peoples illegal behavior. If you want to be a realist and say this behavior is what people do, that fine. But legally the Dive takes up 2 large boats worth of space on any given sandbar.

Unfortunately, that pic (and my boat is in that pic) was taken on the 4th of July a couple years ago and shows a whole lot of illegal rafting in Braun Bay. This is nothing new.

It because of this kind of rafting behavior, that when I get to (insert name here) sandbar, I take pictures.... so that when people anchor too close, I have my proof (for a judge) that I was there obeying the law, and that I am in no way responsible for other peoples behavior. This is also how I know how the NHMP measure distance between boats.

Woodsy

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Your math is absolutely wrong... You cannot be mad at the Dive for other peoples illegal behavior. If you want to be a realist and say this behavior is what people do, that fine. But legally the Dive takes up 2 large boats worth of space on any given sandbar.

Unfortunately, that pic (and my boat is in that pic) was taken on the 4th of July a couple years ago and shows a whole lot of illegal rafting in Braun Bay. This is nothing new.

It because of this kind of rafting behavior, that when I get to (insert name here) sandbar, I take pictures.... so that when people anchor too close, I have my proof (for a judge) that I was there obeying the law, and that I am in no way responsible for other peoples behavior. This is also how I know how the NHMP measure distance between boats.

Woodsy

A picture is worth a thousand words, this is all too common on Winnipesaukee Sandbars.

At this point I NEVER go out on the water on Saturdays during the season, Its just way too busy for me and not at all fun.

As for the Dive at West Alton, last time I saw it there is was a total nightmare, just way too busy to have something like that there on a busy day. And the Paugas sandbar is even tighter.

I dont object to the Dive cruising the lake, or even rotating locations, but parking regularly at a single spot and monopolizing it is not going to make many people happy and they already have enough problems with acceptance.

Maybe they could park some distance from the sandbar (not in the most preferred shallow water) so as to not impact the recreational boaters? Wouldnt that be the best compromise???

[John Mercier]

True. But lets surmise that law enforcement really put their foot down - which is the reason that you take the pictures.
What would you guess the number of boats in that area to be as a percentage of what is seen in the picture?

That reduces the overall possible clientele of the Dive, and may make the area less likely to receive a ''visit'' from them.

The business advantage that it employs it it can bring the product to the customers, it doesn't have to wait around for the customer like a land-based operation.

It is a little different in that the product is more adult-orientated and service is on the water; but not largely different that the ice cream trucks that use to frequent the local beaches parking lots when I was a child.

Obviously the beaches didn't spring up overnight, everyone knew how far their property was from the beach, but still property owner issues over being public or private. The ice cream truck never frequented the private beaches as they had their own snack bar.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Clearly you dont anchor at West Alton or Paugas bay on the weekend, boats are stuffed in like people on the "T"

If someone cannonballs into the water every boat bobs from the splash ;-)

My math may be wrong, but 2.5 boats, no chance,,,

LOVE this picture of the DIVE at Braun, fits rignt in at Braun, clearly a mistake to park it at West Alton or Paugas.

Reminds of the scene in Ozarks, where the preacher is handing out bibles with drugs in them at Sunday mass on the water.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Reminds of the scene in Ozarks, where the preacher is handing out bibles with drugs in them at Sunday mass on the water.

Kinda insane.

Not sure how this is fun for anyone, but thats their business as I have ZERO intention of participating in that mess.

Hard to believe the Dive is only 20' x 60' as it looks huge everytime I see it;

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Yes I have seen it at West Alton and your 4 - 5 boat estimate is way off, its huge.

Are you talking about 4 - 5 35' boats or 20' boats???

It probably displaces more than double your 4 - 5 boats estimate just around the parameter, let alone the actual footprint of its structure.

In a place like Braun it would have minimal impact, but somewhere like West Alton or ever worse the Paugas sandbar, its overwhelming!

Obviously it is not off. Take a look at the photo!!!


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[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Obviously it is not off. Take a look at the photo!!!


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Well looking at "that" picture it looks like you could easily fit 4 - 5 more boats just around the outside of the Dive where no one is anchored.

Guess it depends on of you are look at 20' bowriders or 37' cruisers

[Woodsy]

XCR....


If you look at the picture... the Dive is the ONLY one legally anchored!

Woodsy

[FlyingScot]

LI and LL--agreed. One thing I'd add you that you both reference--another difference is that certain businesses, such as the ice cream boat and The Mount, may get more sympathy because of their aesthetic appeal. Whether that's fair may be debatable, but it is human nature

[LikeLakes]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

LI and LL--agreed. One thing I'd add you that you both reference--another difference is that certain businesses, such as the ice cream boat and The Mount, may get more sympathy because of their aesthetic appeal. Whether that's fair may be debatable, but it is human nature

Honestly, I think there is no question your point has much to do with it. Not much appeal to a rectangular barge that has difficulty moving.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by LikeLakes

And it seems to me like the most likely viable partnering option for the "move around the lake" model might have been the Mount Washington. Share dock space somehow. No idea if it could have worked or not, just a thought.

So if you look at the new boat that the Cruse NH just bought and out fitted, it seems to be their answer to "The Dive".. I had a chance to look at it the other day tied up at the Wiers.. it is outfitted to be just what the dive is, a floating Bar..... So I don't think the Dive and Cruise NH getting into any type of agreement is likely....

That is just my personal opinion of course........ However that kind of partner ship, is exactly what the Dive needs...