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Biggd · 07-30-2020, 06:48 AM

I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.

tis · 07-30-2020, 06:55 AM

Bigg, I totally agree with you. Advertising drugs is one of my pet peeves. It shows what our medical system has become.

XCR-700 · 07-30-2020, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.

Well I'll totally jump on board for this statement.

We are a medication will fix everything culture.

What I personally find interesting is that I am up to 5 meds a day and "should" be on a 6th but I wont pay for it,,, And I feel no better for taking 4 out of the 5. Only one of my 5 meds actually provides me clear undeniable relief.

The others provide better lab results, but I "feel" no better and in truth, over the last 10 years doctors have provided little help for anything I complained about to them. Guess you cant really fix aging ;-)

FlyingScot · 07-30-2020, 09:24 AM

I wont go so far as to say I don't trust drugs--they've been a miracle for people with cancer, heart disease, AIDS, and hundreds of other conditions. There's no question that they've extended the lives of family members for every one of us.

But, even as a person who has spent decades in the industry, I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.

Right after we roast these Big Tech guys!

Mr. V · 07-30-2020, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.

We are a capitalistic consumer-driven society; of course they are in it for the money.

We all are.

XCR-700 · 07-30-2020, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I wont go so far as to say I don't trust drugs--they've been a miracle for people with cancer, heart disease, AIDS, and hundreds of other conditions. There's no question that they've extended the lives of family members for every one of us.

But, even as a person who has spent decades in the industry, I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.

Right after we roast these Big Tech guys!

I would hit thanks, but I think I have hit my limit.

So I will say I agree with all you said and Thank you for a better response then mine!

ATB - george

Seaplane Pilot · 07-30-2020, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.

Well, at least we agree on something. You're absolutely right.

SailinAway · 07-30-2020, 12:17 PM

Three simple facts:

(1) Harvey Risch is a CANCER specialist, not an infectious disease specialist. He has never conducted any study related to COVID-19.

(2) He has written one article about COVID-19, titled, "Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis." That title clearly conveys that this is not a scientific study, it's an OPINION piece.

(3) His piece in Newsweek is based on the above article. It was published in the OPINION section.

Hence his two opinion pieces only offer his personal interpretation of some studies on hydroxychloroquine. In order to judge the validity of his opinions you would need to pick apart questions like his expertise on this topic, which studies he chose to evaluate, what his criteria were for those choices, how the chosen studies fit in with all studies on HCQ, what aspects of the studies he chose to emphasize and why, whether his analysis holds up scientifically, and whether his past work and affiliations reveal anything about his personal values (scientific, political) that may have influenced his analysis. If you want to be thorough, you would then do the same for the studies that Risch chose: Are they valid? Peer reviewed? Etc. Unless you've done that I don't know how you could judge whether Risch's articles are valid.

Risch states in Newsweek, "I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications." This is only partially correct. His CV lists almost 400 publications. He was the primary author on only 25 of those (6%) and the sole author on only a few, in his younger days. He should have said, "I have coauthored." Why would he exaggerate his publication record?

I just spent the past hour reading about HCQ. All I was able to conclude was that there is a controversy surrounding HCQ that has both scientific and political aspects. I also noted that Yale University has not chosen to support Risch's opinion on HCQ. Thus far there hasn't been much response from scientists on his opinion pieces. As a nonscientist, I will need to wait to read more studies on HCQ and to hear from more scientists on whether it's an effective treatment for COVID-19. That seems like the logical thing to do for anyone who wants to know the truth about HCQ.

XCR-700 · 07-30-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Well, at least we agree on something. You're absolutely right.

I would also have thanked you, but again I have apparently hit my daily limit.

Sorry, I'll try to remember to com back later.

ATB - george

07-30-2020, 06:48 AM	#1
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,156 Thanks: 2,244 Thanked 1,197 Times in 763 Posts	I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis. The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve. Last edited by Biggd; 07-30-2020 at 08:09 AM.

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FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,401 Thanks: 1,299 Thanked 1,022 Times in 632 Posts	I wont go so far as to say I don't trust drugs--they've been a miracle for people with cancer, heart disease, AIDS, and hundreds of other conditions. There's no question that they've extended the lives of family members for every one of us. But, even as a person who has spent decades in the industry, I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in. Right after we roast these Big Tech guys!

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07-30-2020, 12:17 PM	#8
SailinAway Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 991 Thanks: 256 Thanked 280 Times in 169 Posts	Three simple facts: (1) Harvey Risch is a CANCER specialist, not an infectious disease specialist. He has never conducted any study related to COVID-19. (2) He has written one article about COVID-19, titled, "Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis." That title clearly conveys that this is not a scientific study, it's an OPINION piece. (3) His piece in Newsweek is based on the above article. It was published in the OPINION section. Hence his two opinion pieces only offer his personal interpretation of some studies on hydroxychloroquine. In order to judge the validity of his opinions you would need to pick apart questions like his expertise on this topic, which studies he chose to evaluate, what his criteria were for those choices, how the chosen studies fit in with all studies on HCQ, what aspects of the studies he chose to emphasize and why, whether his analysis holds up scientifically, and whether his past work and affiliations reveal anything about his personal values (scientific, political) that may have influenced his analysis. If you want to be thorough, you would then do the same for the studies that Risch chose: Are they valid? Peer reviewed? Etc. Unless you've done that I don't know how you could judge whether Risch's articles are valid. Risch states in Newsweek, "I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications." This is only partially correct. His CV lists almost 400 publications. He was the primary author on only 25 of those (6%) and the sole author on only a few, in his younger days. He should have said, "I have coauthored." Why would he exaggerate his publication record? I just spent the past hour reading about HCQ. All I was able to conclude was that there is a controversy surrounding HCQ that has both scientific and political aspects. I also noted that Yale University has not chosen to support Risch's opinion on HCQ. Thus far there hasn't been much response from scientists on his opinion pieces. As a nonscientist, I will need to wait to read more studies on HCQ and to hear from more scientists on whether it's an effective treatment for COVID-19. That seems like the logical thing to do for anyone who wants to know the truth about HCQ.

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