Face Masks

[Seaplane Pilot]

Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Doomsayers discrediting this article in 3....2....1.....

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Doomsayers discrediting this article in 3....2....1.....

Probably worth at least looking into the AAPS. They also say that there is a casual relationship between vaccines and autism.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

So, here's the opposite from the AMA,

"Public masking during the COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most effective measures we can take to contain the spread of the virus. The American Medical Association strongly advocates for coronavirus masking in public spaces".

www.ama-assn.org/topics/coronavirus-masking-public

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Paugus Bay Resident

So, here's the opposite from the AMA,

"Public masking during the COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most effective measures we can take to contain the spread of the virus. The American Medical Association strongly advocates for coronavirus masking in public spaces".

www.ama-assn.org/topics/coronavirus-masking-public

Just like Burger King, you can have it your way. I'll take AAPS with a side of fries and a Diet Coke. You can take AMA, with whatever else you want with it.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Just like Burger King, you can have it your way. I'll take AAPS with a side of fries and a Diet Coke. You can take AMA, with whatever else you want with it.

Actually, no. You may be able to skip the mask, but you cannot assert there is some sort of equality going on here. Burger King vs McDonalds is a reasonable debate. The American Medical Association vs some quacks who do not believe in vaccines is just pitiful.

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Burger King vs McDonalds is a reasonable debate.

Is it? Everyone knows that McD's has the better fries and shakes

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Actually, no. You may be able to skip the mask, but you cannot assert there is some sort of equality going on here. Burger King vs McDonalds is a reasonable debate. The American Medical Association vs some quacks who do not believe in vaccines is just pitiful.

There you go again, discrediting and insulting any organizing that doesn’t follow your leftist agenda. You’ll never convince me, and I’ll never convince you, so we might as well leave it at that. I’ve also read an opinion from the New England Journal of Medicine stating that masks are useless. But I suppose you’ll call them quacks too.

[P-3 Guy]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

There you go again, discrediting and insulting any organizing that doesn’t follow your leftist agenda. You’ll never convince me, and I’ll never convince you, so we might as well leave it at that. I’ve also read an opinion from the New England Journal of Medicine stating that masks are useless. But I suppose you’ll call them quacks too.

TO THE EDITOR:
We understand that some people are citing our Perspective article (published on April 1 at NEJM.org)1 as support for discrediting widespread masking. In truth, the intent of our article was to push for more masking, not less. It is apparent that many people with SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or presymptomatic yet highly contagious and that these people account for a substantial fraction of all transmissions.2,3 Universal masking helps to prevent such people from spreading virus-laden secretions, whether they recognize that they are infected or not.4

We did state in the article that “wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection,” but as the rest of the paragraph makes clear, we intended this statement to apply to passing encounters in public spaces, not sustained interactions within closed environments. A growing body of research shows that the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission is strongly correlated with the duration and intensity of contact: the risk of transmission among household members can be as high as 40%, whereas the risk of transmission from less intense and less sustained encounters is below 5%.5-7 This finding is also borne out by recent research associating mask wearing with less transmission of SARS-CoV-2, particularly in closed settings.8 We therefore strongly support the calls of public health agencies for all people to wear masks when circumstances compel them to be within 6 ft of others for sustained periods.

Michael Klompas, M.D., M.P.H.
Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA

Charles A. Morris, M.D., M.P.H.
Brigham and Women’s Hospital, Boston, MA

Erica S. Shenoy, M.D., Ph.D.
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

There you go again, discrediting and insulting any organizing that doesn’t follow your leftist agenda. You’ll never convince me, and I’ll never convince you, so we might as well leave it at that. I’ve also read an opinion from the New England Journal of Medicine stating that masks are useless. But I suppose you’ll call them quacks too.

That is not accurate, and I'm pretty sure we've had this exchange before. I do not discredit anybody who does not follow my agenda. I have posted that Forbes and the Wall St Journal, just for example, are reliable news sources even if I don't like their editorial slant. I have also saluted the work of several Republican Governors. Reasonable people can disagree on lots of things.

But when you assert that vaccine deniers are medical experts, it is dangerous to other people who might not read carefully enough or have enough advance knowledge to know that this is complete baloney.

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by Garcia

Probably worth at least looking into the AAPS. They also say that there is a casual relationship between vaccines and autism.

Founded in 1944, it has about 5,000 members. Has promoted:

• The belief that HIV does not cause AIDS
• Being gay reduces life expectancy
• There is a link between abortions and breast cancer
• There is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism

The AAPS was formed in 1944 in opposition to the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill proposing government health care to most US citizens. it is a political-economic rather than a medical group. The AAPS opposes electronic medical records and takes the position that the FDA and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional. In 2005 they published an article stating that 'anchor babies' from illegal aliens had, in 3 years, swollen the number of leprosy cases in the US by 7,000 (as it turns out there were 7,000 cases of leprosy cases in the US over the course of 30 years, not 3).

Soooo....I'm not really going to take what the AAPS says seriously.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Pricestavern

Founded in 1944, it has about 5,000 members. Has promoted:

• The belief that HIV does not cause AIDS
• Being gay reduces life expectancy
• There is a link between abortions and breast cancer
• There is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism

The AAPS was formed in 1944 in opposition to the Wagner-Murray-Dingell Bill proposing government health care to most US citizens. it is a political-economic rather than a medical group. The AAPS opposes electronic medical records and takes the position that the FDA and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services are unconstitutional. In 2005 they published an article stating that 'anchor babies' from illegal aliens had, in 3 years, swollen the number of leprosy cases in the US by 7,000 (as it turns out there were 7,000 cases of leprosy cases in the US over the course of 30 years, not 3).

Soooo....I'm not really going to take what the AAPS says seriously.

What took you so long? You don’t think we could come up with an equally descriptive list against AMA?

[Nagigator]

Mr. Hillcountry, MY view is that calling a mask a face diaper is insulting and condescending.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Nagigator

Mr. Hillcountry, MY view is that calling a mask a face diaper is insulting and condescending.

I thought it hilarious! Difference between you and me.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

I thought it hilarious! Difference between you and me.

Hey Hill,

How can one insult and be condescending to a face mask?? If you can figure that out, please let me know!

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Hey Hill,

How can one insult and be condescending to a face mask?? If you can figure that out, please let me know!

Face masks matter...I guess?

[Nagigator]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Face masks matter...I guess?

You said it.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Nagigator

You said it.

I did...but obviously my comedic and sarcastic intent flew over your head like a Patriot missile...

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Face masks matter...I guess?

They are Patriotic now.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Face masks matter...I guess?

Perhaps! I’m going to print up some FMM bumper stickers. Will send you a supply!

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

What took you so long? You don’t think we could come up with an equally descriptive list against AMA?

The only relationship between the AMA and the AAPS is the use of the same alphabet.

You could come up with a list of positions that the AMA has taken which would not be valid today...that is the way things go over time. But the AAPS list was wrong when made and never true.

I am not defending the AMA but trying to compare the AAPS and AMA is just not a valid argument with respect to scientific / medical value.

And just who is the “we” you refer to? Why can’t there be a discussion of individuals without making it a debate between 2 sides.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

The only relationship between the AMA and the AAPS is the use of the same alphabet.

You could come up with a list of positions that the AMA has taken which would not be valid today...that is the way things go over time. But the AAPS list was wrong when made and never true.

I am not defending the AMA but trying to compare the AAPS and AMA is just not a valid argument with respect to scientific / medical value.

And just who is the “we” you refer to? Why can’t there be a discussion of individuals without making it a debate between 2 sides.

Agreed on "sides". There will never be political consensus between 2 people unless they are the most strident conservative or liberal, even then they would find things to disagree about!

I had never heard of AAPS until this thread.

To the No Mask people, will you mask for work, to go shopping, or to a restaurant? I have typed it before on this forum, but it is amazing how fast we adapted at work to distancing or masking. 95% of the time we stand in a circle talking and everyone naturally goes 6' apart. What was once a tighter circle is looser. If we cant distance we mask. It's really not much of a hardship.

[Jdarby]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

I had never heard of AAPS until this thread.

Nor had I and I serve on the board of directors of an international healthcare accrediting organization. We have 23 professional healthcare associations represented on our board and AAPS is not among them nor are they even on our radar as an organization that can assist in creating quality consensus standards for the healthcare community.

Be well.

[fatlazyless]

......ain't got no mask to wear inside the store


...... a Plymouth-NH, Walmart health ambassador will give you a mask, just inside their front door

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

What took you so long?

Checking sources, etc. Besides, I don’t want to hog all the fun

[Nagigator]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Here's an interesting article from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Article also references info from several other "respected" sources.

No face diapers for me, thank you. Feel free to move about with yours on though....

https://aapsonline.org/mask-facts/

Doomsayers discrediting this article in 3....2....1.....

OK, we get it. You don't wear a mask and think its a waste of time. But do you have to be insulting and condescending to others who don't share your views?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Nagigator

OK, we get it. You don't wear a mask and think its a waste of time. But do you have to be insulting and condescending to others who don't share your views?

So...to your thinking, expressing one's own point of view that doesn't agree with yours is insulting and condescending but everyone that has thrown out verbal slings and barbs from the "other" side are not?
This argument cannot be won, by either side. Express your view and go on about your business.