Boat crash

[map]

I think the lesson here is don’t go out on your boat at night.

[Water Camper]

Originally Posted by map

I think the lesson here is don’t go out on your boat at night.

That is easily said, but I have had numerous occasions where it is hard to help. We frequent our friends property on Cow Island near Hole in the Wall. My wife does not like night boating, I personally enjoy it.

Although we usually attempt to head back to our home port, Lakeport Landing Marina, in enough time to avoid darkness, we are not always successful. We have had several close calls in the area of Weirs Beach and Eagle Island due to inattention by other boat captains. Fortunately no mishaps.

I take it upon myself to be extra vigilant after dark, but I should and want to be able to enjoy the lake as much as possible.

Just my opinion,
Bill

[rick35]

Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by rick35

Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.

I've resized that image to a better size.

[rick35]

Much better. Thanks!

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by rick35

Is it just me or is that photo of the Penn Yan causing the size of my ipad screen to change to fit it in and cause all the text to get much smaller? When I posted here I could barely read what I entered.

Same thing for me on my tablet, but at least I can "pinch " my screen to make it larger.

Dave

[Woodsy]

Unfortunately... there is a lesson to be learned from every tragedy. Especially a tragedy like this one that on its face seems purely accidental. I am sure the accident reconstruction team will do their due diligence, publish their findings and assign the proper blame in due time.

IMHO, the findings will show that neither party will be 100% at fault... but you can expect to see "too fast for the conditions" and "failure to keep a proper lookout" as the catchphrases used in the report.

Woodsy

[rick35]

Originally Posted by map

I think the lesson here is don’t go out on your boat at night.

You could do that but when you live on an island that’s easier said than done. This time of year is very restricting if you can’t be out after 4:30. Maybe you should do things differently instead. Like having a set of battery powered lights. Like having a flashlight. Like having a gps when the blinking lights have been removed. Like changing the bow light and stern lights to led to eliminate blown bulbs. In the early spring you should boat differently when the water is freezing and when there’s a lot of stuff floating in the lake. You just have to be ready for what could happen. This would probably be a better new topic and we might all learn something new. For example, i’ll have battery running lights next season just in case. I learned that in this thread.

[rick35]

My previous post left out something important. I learned a lot more from this thread than just about battery lights. We all did.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by rick35

You could do that but when you live on an island that’s easier said than done. This time of year is very restricting if you can’t be out after 4:30. Maybe you should do things differently instead. Like having a set of battery powered lights. Like having a flashlight. Like having a gps when the blinking lights have been removed. Like changing the bow light and stern lights to led to eliminate blown bulbs. In the early spring you should boat differently when the water is freezing and when there’s a lot of stuff floating in the lake. You just have to be ready for what could happen. This would probably be a better new topic and we might all learn something new. For example, i’ll have battery running lights next season just in case. I learned that in this thread.

All good ideas, but its a bit jarring to know that all involved were seasoned islanders and this still happened.
I thought fishing into the evening sounded attractive. The results were cetainly worth it but the 'easy' ride home was not. Even in good clear weather and running just on plane it seemed too fast for comfort. The first nav lights I saw were ASTONISHGLY close and it seemed they came out of nowhere. I was off plane the rest of the way in. An unlit canoe or kayak could slip under your keel too easily. Yeah, it would be largely "their" fault but I dont want to live with that regardless.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

An unlit canoe or kayak could slip under your keel too easily.

Or a sailboat.

We were sailing on the big lake at night, navigation lights lit, and were almost run down and killed by some inattentive idiot in a cabin cruiser.

[fatlazyless]

For paddling or rowing at dusk, or at night, www.topkayaker.com at 1805 Rt-16 in Center Ossipee NH has a number of high quality, battery powered l.e.d. navigation lights which show brighter than the old incandescent bulb lights. In the Safety Gear section...

For a kayak or stand up paddle board, a bright white l.e.d. navigation light can maybe make the difference between being seen, or becoming a "speed bump."

For $19.99 check out the 'c-strobe with c-clip' that's powered by two AA batteries, not included, and flashes with 45-lumens white light ..... hand held ... you can wave it around and pray you don't get hit ....... or attach it to your pfd ..... does not float .... "has intense strobe light visible up to 2-miles."

www.topkayaker.net

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

For paddling or rowing at dusk, or at night, www.topkayaker.com at 1805 Rt-16 in Center Ossipee NH has a number of high quality, battery powered l.e.d. navigation lights which show brighter than the old incandescent bulb lights. In the Safety Gear section...

For a kayak or stand up paddle board, a bright white l.e.d. navigation light can maybe make the difference between being seen, or becoming a "speed bump."

For $19.99 check out the 'c-strobe with c-clip' that's powered by two AA batteries, not included, and flashes with 45-lumens white light ..... hand held ... you can wave it around and pray you don't get hit ....... or attach it to your pfd ..... does not float .... "has intense strobe light visible up to 2-miles."

www.topkayaker.net

And this is exactly why people get hurt or killed. This is the most insane, incoherent and stupid suggestions ranking right up there with the foam noodle nonsense. Yes please go out at night in a kayak, canoe or even better one of those ridiculously unstable stand up boards I mean what could POSSIBLY go wrong? Hmmm wait for it, yup speed bump..... the only thing you got accurate is do this and you better damn well pray you don't get hit.

People that do this are the very fruitcakes you see on TV on the 6PM news wondering why a disaster occurred. Um DUH? Here you go, another Darwin award winner.

FLL - seriously please save us from more suggestions from the galactically stupid.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by MAXUM;

FLL - seriously please save us from more suggestions from the galactically stupid.

..........

Hey Maxum buddy ........ Ebay.com has these 'ACR C-Strobe lights', a personal distress strobe light w/ a short lanyard, and two loops for attaching to a pfd strap, size-6" tube shape, works on two AA batteries, 45-lumens flashing white strobe light can be seen two miles across the water,

shipped from Tampa, Florida for $14.50-ea, shipping included.

Hey Maxum ..... is this a great Christmas stocking stuffer, or what!

At $14.50, shipping included, will be sold out soon, so don't delay your purchase. ... :
........

For a vessel stopped in a highly trafficked spot on the lake after dark, one of these small white strobe flashers could be very helpful ..... seems like a no brain-er.

[Descant]

Two finer men, experienced boaters, met with tragic ends.
Frivolous speculating about kayaks and flashlights is embarrassing and should not be part of a solemn thread. Have some respect and start another thread if you have to drift off course.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Descant

Two finer men, experienced boaters, met with tragic ends.
Frivolous speculating about kayaks and flashlights is embarrassing and should not be part of a solemn thread. Have some respect and start another thread if you have to drift off course.

It's not only embarrassing but disrespectful.

[Barney Bear]

Is any information available yet re funeral arrangements for Hal and Jim? 🐻

[Dhamma]

Originally Posted by pondguy

Is it even legal to be out on the lake with a canoe, kayak or sup after dark ?

Good question but if I was out in my canoe after dark I would be hugging the shoreline for sure. Cant really think of any reason to be out there in a canoe or kayak when its dark tho. Then again, the most dangerous thing I want to do these days is ride my bike down a dirt road during the day.

[Dad sold the C * C]

Originally Posted by pondguy

Is it even legal to be out on the lake with a canoe, kayak or sup after dark ?

Yes it is legal, with an "all around white light". Not nessisaraly a good idea, but legal.

[fatlazyless]

Here on Lake Winnipesaukee, 99.44%-of all the motorboats keep serious attention to staying outside the spar marker buoys because there could be shallow rocks along the shoreline areas which makes for safe paddling close along the shore, within the spar markers.

Out in the motorboat zones, you can get hit on a sunny day just because the motor boater never saw you, and was not expecting a kayak/sup to be there. Motorboats and jet skis can travel along at 45-mph ..... while kayaks and sups paddle along at 3-mph.

Is similar to a motorcycle not being seen by a car driver; ...... say-hey ..... I never even seen it, there?

[rick35]

It’s very much not a good idea. I’ve had too many boats come too close during the day. And I have bright orange kayaks to help be seen better. A little white light is not enough. That is a disaster waiting to happen.

[Knomad]

Just remember that the all around light must be mounted high enough to be seen for 360 degrees and be visible for a distance of 2 miles.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Knomad

Just remember that the all around light must be mounted high enough to be seen for 360 degrees and be visible for a distance of 2 miles.

For paddling a kayak or sup in the dark, what would work good is a baseball cap light, with the navigation light somehow attached to the very top of the cap ...... a nav-cap night light!

Ready for an extraordinary situation, one of these $14.50 psychedelic white, 45-lumens, C-strobe flashing l.e.d. beacons can be secured to your pfd ..... like, wow! ..... if you need to pray you don't get run over by a big, fast boat like it's going over a speed bump .... is right time to turn on this flasher beacon .... and continue to pray!

[Dhamma]

I did not know them so I cant comment on what type of men they were or how they lived their lives.
All I can say is that the Buddha taught his followers to every single day think that, that day is the day they could die. And to think of all the ways they could lose their life on that day. Illness, accident, snake bite, murder. The many ways that the end could come at any moment.

This kept them grounded to the reality of how impermanent life was,and so at the end, they wouldn't be so surprised.

I didn't know them. But I hope they knew this.