The Dive?

Patofnaud · 10-02-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taz

The Dive just announced after driving all the way to Alton town docks, they were greeted by Alton police and we're not permitted to use the town docks to board passengers, supplies, can not use the docks for anything to do with their cruise.

Sigh.. Folks trying to make a living and folks whining about everything ruining it for others. I'm sure there were so many other folks wanting to use those docks tonight.

It's either the boats are too fast and they are ruining the lake, or they are too slow and ruin the lake. NIMBY.

Descant · 10-02-2018, 10:02 PM

Obviously not friendly to business, as are most administrators of town docks. e.g. Gilford, Laconia, etc. I'm a little surprised that the Dive didn't foresee this. At the same time, it would have been nice on a rainy night in October, for the police to give the Dive a ticket for $100 when they returned at the end of the cruise instead of totally preventing it. After all, until they started boarding passengers, no law was broken and nobody was hurt. Regardless, a phone call in either direction would have been a better plan.

Skip · 10-03-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Descant

Obviously not friendly to business, as are most administrators of town docks. e.g. Gilford, Laconia, etc. I'm a little surprised that the Dive didn't foresee this. At the same time, it would have been nice on a rainy night in October, for the police to give the Dive a ticket for $100 when they returned at the end of the cruise instead of totally preventing it. After all, until they started boarding passengers, no law was broken and nobody was hurt. Regardless, a phone call in either direction would have been a better plan.

Actually the attached ordinance that prevents this type of activity was passed by the voters of Alton at a March 14th, 1990 town meeting.

AC2717 · 10-03-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip

Actually the attached ordinance that prevents this type of activity was passed by the voters of Alton at a March 14th, 1990 town meeting.

wouldn't The Dive be a taxpayer in Alton?

joey2665 · 10-03-2018, 07:55 AM

"taxpayer" is a broad term in this regulation. It does not specify residential or commercial so I agree that The Dive is a taxpayer.

I did not see anywhere on FB were they posted a video of the activity on the cruise last night. Just wondering again with it being during the week, inclement weather and not in season how well it was attended.

FlyingScot · 10-03-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joey2665

"taxpayer" is a broad term in this regulation. It does not specify residential or commercial so I agree that The Dive is a taxpayer.

I did not see anywhere on FB were they posted a video of the activity on the cruise last night. Just wondering again with it being during the week, inclement weather and not in season how well it was attended.

And just what taxes would the Dive be paying to Alton?

Barney Bear · 10-04-2018, 06:10 AM

The Dive will be featured on NH Chronicle at 7:00 PM tonight on Channel 9. 🖥

joey2665 · 10-04-2018, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

And just what taxes would the Dive be paying to Alton?

Making the assumption for this conversation that their business is located in the Town of Alton since they are currently docked in Alton. Also what if the owners reside in Alton? Nevertheless as worded "taxpayer is a broad term"

webmaster · 10-07-2018, 06:08 AM

https://www.wmur.com/article/thursda...46520/23610324

Woody38 · 10-07-2018, 07:32 AM

Just saw the Chronicle piece. The Dive looks great, hope they do well in the future.
We stopped at Shibley's this summer, can't say we will return. The place was filthy, service terrible and our food didn't look anything like that shown in the video. Actually it was not appetizing and the taste was no better. Assuming they did a bang up job for the Chronicle.

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fatlazyless · 10-07-2018, 08:07 AM

If only The Dive had a home ..... a real home ...... someplace it would always be ..... when not out cruising the lake ....... someplace where people could drive past, and think to themselves, there's The Dive..... if only The Dive had a home ..... attached to the land by a walking dock ..... close to parking ..... someplace seen by cars from the nearby road ..... if only The Dive had a home!

Where-o-where could that be?

Seems like the Center Harbor Inn may be just the spot?

Would The Dive business help the Center Harbor Inn business? Is not unknown for a waterfront inn to have an attached restaurant/bar biz.

That location would probably, definitely help The Dive business. For one thing, the white barge vessel that is The Dive can be seen from Rt-25 while driving a car, down the end of the long dock at Center Harbor Inn. It could put the lake to work for both the Inn and The Dive.

....don't-ya-just-a-know ..... that un-drivered, 100-yard, pickup truck, backwards downhill roll-a-way that just happened on Wednesday was really a message from God to indicate .... the Center Harbor Inn is the spot for The Dive ....... shaaaaaa-zzzaaaammmmm and bottoms up!!!

Barney Bear · 10-07-2018, 10:56 AM

The Dive is way too large to be located in Center Harbor!!!

jbolty · 10-07-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

If only The Dive had a home ..... a real home ...... someplace it would always be ..... when not out cruising the lake ....... someplace where people could drive past, and think to themselves, there's The Dive..... if only The Dive had a home ..... attached to the land by a walking dock ..... close to parking ..... someplace seen by cars from the nearby road ..... if only The Dive had a home!

Where-o-where could that be?

Seems like the Center Harbor Inn may be just the spot?

Would The Dive business help the Center Harbor Inn business? Is not unknown for a waterfront inn to have an attached restaurant/bar biz.

That location would probably, definitely help The Dive business. For one thing, the white barge vessel that is The Dive can be seen from Rt-25 while driving a car, down the end of the long dock at Center Harbor Inn. It could put the lake to work for both the Inn and The Dive.

....don't-ya-just-a-know ..... that un-drivered, 100-yard, pickup truck, backwards downhill roll-a-way that just happened on Wednesday was really a message from God to indicate .... the Center Harbor Inn is the spot for The Dive ....... shaaaaaa-zzzaaaammmmm and bottoms up!!!

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Originally Posted by Barney Bear

The Dive is way too large to be located in Center Harbor!!!

not a bad idea. There isn't really any bar & grill competitor in town to complain and there's plenty of room.

Water Camper · 10-08-2018, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody38

Just saw the Chronicle piece. The Dive looks great, hope they do well in the future.
We stopped at Shibley's this summer, can't say we will return. The place was filthy, service terrible and our food didn't look anything like that shown in the video. Actually it was not appetizing and the taste was no better. Assuming they did a bang up job for the Chronicle.

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Have been to Shibley's several times this summer. Found the experience enjoyable, food was good and view from the deck was excellent.

My 2 cents,
Bill

joey2665 · 10-08-2018, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody38

Just saw the Chronicle piece. The Dive looks great, hope they do well in the future.
We stopped at Shibley's this summer, can't say we will return. The place was filthy, service terrible and our food didn't look anything like that shown in the video. Actually it was not appetizing and the taste was no better. Assuming they did a bang up job for the Chronicle.

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I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

Went there twice this summer and both experiences were very good. The service was a little slow but after chatting with the hostess, they have had the same experience as most restaurants in the area, lack of available help. I cannot blame a restaurant for slow service when they cannot find enough staff to hire.

fatlazyless · 10-10-2018, 09:47 AM

Most likely, the Town of Center Harbor's Board of Selectmen as well as the nearby waterfront neighbors would probably, like most likely ...... be very much against The Dive's permanently doing business down the end of that long dock at the Center Harbor Inn.

Is just too too bad for The Dive, when no one wants you, and you is a business like that without a real home, stuck away on an uninhabited stretch of sandbar, at the entrance to the WAM inlet .... everyone is just cry'n in their beer?

Oh well ..... life must be very tough ..... when you ain't got no home .... and nobody wants you around ..... so's everyone ...... puh-lease go visit The Dive and at least have a freebie glass of courtesy water along with some freebie bar pretzels ..... just to cheer them up!

brk-lnt · 10-03-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AC2717

wouldn't The Dive be a taxpayer in Alton?

While you could probably argue that they are a taxpayer, it does not appear that they applied for the permit that is also required.

chillininnh · 10-03-2018, 09:20 AM

I don't see them ever getting permission in Alton or anywhere else. Yeah, it's October and the docks are empty and the parking plentiful. If you let them dock now, would you be obligated then to let them do it in season when the docks are full and the parking tight? How would you like to own a seasonal business near the public dock and have all the parking spaces gobbled up by Dive customers?

Woodsy · 10-03-2018, 09:41 AM

I told the people running the Dive when they were planning to use the Laconia town docks, that the City of Laconia would deny them access. (Prior experience with friends wanting the 'Belle to pick up passengers for a wedding). They also don't let the Tiki Boats pick up there either.

I think its funny they (the Dive) are surprised... No doubt the same goes for Alton.

I think they have a "no compete" clause with the Mount....

Woodsy

fatlazyless · 10-03-2018, 10:20 AM

Considering that the Coast Guard considers stand up paddle boards to be a vessel, requiring a pfd and a whislte, as well as a white light at night; is it ok by the City of Laconia for me to access myself and a stand up paddle board from the Weirs Beach town boat docks into the lake, there, and paddle out into the lake?

TiltonBB · 10-03-2018, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Considering that the Coast Guard considers stand up paddle boards to be a vessel, requiring a pfd and a whislte, as well as a white light at night; is it ok by the City of Laconia for me to access myself and a stand up paddle board from the Weirs Beach town boat docks into the lake, there, and paddle out into the lake?

Just curious: How do you see the comparison of your personal use of a town dock with the commercial use of the dock? The logic escapes me.

Hillcountry · 10-03-2018, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Just curious: How do you see the comparison of your personal use of a town dock with the commercial use of the dock? The logic escapes me.

Lol...the fat, lazy one rarely displays the use of logic in his posts. More like hitting a “tennis ball of random thoughts” back and forth until he goes out of bounds...

tis · 10-03-2018, 11:55 AM

You really don't think the town of Alton would let them use it long enough to just pick up and drop off passengers. I don't know what harm that would do once in a while. How can they allow one commercial vessel and not another?

fatlazyless · 10-03-2018, 12:12 PM

Woodsy's post was about The Dive not being able to use the Laconia-Weirs Beach town boat docks, and my thinking was about accessing the water with a stand up paddle board from the same location, the Laconia-Weirs Beach town boat docks.

And, it was prefaced with the Off Topic emoticon.

Sups are a different type of a vessel than what is usually considered to be a vessel, because weighing just 20-30-40lbs, they are portable and can be carried under your arm for quite a distance, like down the steep steps from the Weirs' boardwalk, to the docks, to the water, and launched into the water.

This is one of those issues somewhat similar to The Dive using the Alton Town Dock where it may be better to just go for it without asking permission first, and a lot depends on what happens at the time it gets done ……. or something like that!

When you see flashing blue lights awaiting at the town dock, you know that 'just going for it' ain't gonna happen today.

Is one of dos tings …… Mt TiltonBB and Mr Hillcountry!

upthesaukee · 10-03-2018, 06:35 PM

You really don't think the town of Alton would let them use it long enough to just pick up and drop off passengers. I don't know what harm that would do once in a while. How can they allow one commercial vessel and not another?

The Mount Washington Dock in Alton Bay is owned by the Winnipesaukee Flagship Corporation and is therefore private property. The property is assessed at $301,200 which is up from last year at $287,600.

The Town of Alton is not playing favorites. The Dive simply did not get the required permit.

Perhaps the Dive could have also reached out to W.F.Corp and got permission to use the Mount's dock.

Dave.

tis · 10-04-2018, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

You really don't think the town of Alton would let them use it long enough to just pick up and drop off passengers. I don't know what harm that would do once in a while. How can they allow one commercial vessel and not another?

The Mount Washington Dock in Alton Bay is owned by the Winnipesaukee Flagship Corporation and is therefore private property. The property is assessed at $301,200 which is up from last year at $287,600.

The Town of Alton is not playing favorites. The Dive simply did not get the required permit.

Perhaps the Dive could have also reached out to W.F.Corp and got permission to use the Mount's dock.

Dave.

I did not know that Dave. Thanks for the info. The town docks in Wolfeboro are owned by the town. I don't think the commercial vessels pay a fee to the town to use the docks but I could be wrong. I do know they need permission.

Biggd · 10-03-2018, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Lol...the fat, lazy one rarely displays the use of logic in his posts. More like hitting a “tennis ball of random thoughts” back and forth until he goes out of bounds...

fatlazyless · 10-03-2018, 06:38 PM

Say hey ...... here is a totally, totally, totally, totally, totally super-duper idea for The Dive ...... go get that Keno 603 action going on-board The Dive.

Is possible The Dive and Keno 603 could be a good fit ....... something to do while waiting for your adult beverage ..... plus, probably the state gives you a free Keno promo sign which can go on the side of their barge.

Play Keno here ....... and win big! ...... Keno-garten!

The Real BigGuy · 10-04-2018, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

While you could probably argue that they are a taxpayer, it does not appear that they applied for the permit that is also required.

Why do people assume they are an Alton “taxpayer”. As a floating business that apparently doesn’t own dock space anywhere doesn’t it then become a question of where the business is domiciled?

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fatlazyless · 10-03-2018, 01:53 AM

If they phoned Alton Town Hall, "hellooooooo, can we use your dock? ....... the presumed answer would be "sorry, no", but if they just do it, maybe it will slide by and get it done ..... ok?

What's a super-duper, totally awesome business plan for The Dive? If The Dive was really smart thinking, it would invade Downing's Landing at the southern most tip of Alton Bay, tie up to the dock there, raise their flag, and declare Downing's Landing to be their permanent, forever home. Is so nice to have a place to call home, and that shaky-waky state dock would probably get rebuilt a whole lot sooner... ha-ha-ha.

tis · 10-03-2018, 05:04 AM

I know in Wolfeboro the Mount and Winni Belle and Millie B (Boat Museum) all have to go to the town to get permission to use the docks.

10-02-2018, 10:02 PM	#2
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,382 Thanks: 1,353 Thanked 1,628 Times in 1,060 Posts	Alton law enforcement Obviously not friendly to business, as are most administrators of town docks. e.g. Gilford, Laconia, etc. I'm a little surprised that the Dive didn't foresee this. At the same time, it would have been nice on a rainy night in October, for the police to give the Dive a ticket for $100 when they returned at the end of the cruise instead of totally preventing it. After all, until they started boarding passengers, no law was broken and nobody was hurt. Regardless, a phone call in either direction would have been a better plan.

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webmaster Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 2,455 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 459 Thanked 3,830 Times in 840 Posts	The Dive on Chronicle https://www.wmur.com/article/thursda...46520/23610324

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	.... looking for a home? If only The Dive had a home ..... a real home ...... someplace it would always be ..... when not out cruising the lake ....... someplace where people could drive past, and think to themselves, there's The Dive..... if only The Dive had a home ..... attached to the land by a walking dock ..... close to parking ..... someplace seen by cars from the nearby road ..... if only The Dive had a home! Where-o-where could that be? Seems like the Center Harbor Inn may be just the spot? Would The Dive business help the Center Harbor Inn business? Is not unknown for a waterfront inn to have an attached restaurant/bar biz. That location would probably, definitely help The Dive business. For one thing, the white barge vessel that is The Dive can be seen from Rt-25 while driving a car, down the end of the long dock at Center Harbor Inn. It could put the lake to work for both the Inn and The Dive. ....don't-ya-just-a-know ..... that un-drivered, 100-yard, pickup truck, backwards downhill roll-a-way that just happened on Wednesday was really a message from God to indicate .... the Center Harbor Inn is the spot for The Dive ....... shaaaaaa-zzzaaaammmmm and bottoms up!!! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-07-2018 at 09:00 AM.

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Woody38 Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 578 Thanks: 46 Thanked 110 Times in 81 Posts	Just saw the Chronicle piece. The Dive looks great, hope they do well in the future. We stopped at Shibley's this summer, can't say we will return. The place was filthy, service terrible and our food didn't look anything like that shown in the video. Actually it was not appetizing and the taste was no better. Assuming they did a bang up job for the Chronicle. ------------------------------------------------- I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	... just cry'n in their beer? Most likely, the Town of Center Harbor's Board of Selectmen as well as the nearby waterfront neighbors would probably, like most likely ...... be very much against The Dive's permanently doing business down the end of that long dock at the Center Harbor Inn. Is just too too bad for The Dive, when no one wants you, and you is a business like that without a real home, stuck away on an uninhabited stretch of sandbar, at the entrance to the WAM inlet .... everyone is just cry'n in their beer? Oh well ..... life must be very tough ..... when you ain't got no home .... and nobody wants you around ..... so's everyone ...... puh-lease go visit The Dive and at least have a freebie glass of courtesy water along with some freebie bar pretzels ..... just to cheer them up! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-11-2018 at 12:54 PM.

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chillininnh Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 54 Thanks: 8 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	I don't see them ever getting permission in Alton or anywhere else. Yeah, it's October and the docks are empty and the parking plentiful. If you let them dock now, would you be obligated then to let them do it in season when the docks are full and the parking tight? How would you like to own a seasonal business near the public dock and have all the parking spaces gobbled up by Dive customers?

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Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	No Compete Clause? I told the people running the Dive when they were planning to use the Laconia town docks, that the City of Laconia would deny them access. (Prior experience with friends wanting the 'Belle to pick up passengers for a wedding). They also don't let the Tiki Boats pick up there either. I think its funny they (the Dive) are surprised... No doubt the same goes for Alton. I think they have a "no compete" clause with the Mount.... Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	Considering that the Coast Guard considers stand up paddle boards to be a vessel, requiring a pfd and a whislte, as well as a white light at night; is it ok by the City of Laconia for me to access myself and a stand up paddle board from the Weirs Beach town boat docks into the lake, there, and paddle out into the lake? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	You really don't think the town of Alton would let them use it long enough to just pick up and drop off passengers. I don't know what harm that would do once in a while. How can they allow one commercial vessel and not another?

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	.... or something like that! Woodsy's post was about The Dive not being able to use the Laconia-Weirs Beach town boat docks, and my thinking was about accessing the water with a stand up paddle board from the same location, the Laconia-Weirs Beach town boat docks. And, it was prefaced with the Off Topic emoticon. Sups are a different type of a vessel than what is usually considered to be a vessel, because weighing just 20-30-40lbs, they are portable and can be carried under your arm for quite a distance, like down the steep steps from the Weirs' boardwalk, to the docks, to the water, and launched into the water. This is one of those issues somewhat similar to The Dive using the Alton Town Dock where it may be better to just go for it without asking permission first, and a lot depends on what happens at the time it gets done ……. or something like that! When you see flashing blue lights awaiting at the town dock, you know that 'just going for it' ain't gonna happen today. Is one of dos tings …… Mt TiltonBB and Mr Hillcountry! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,600 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,462 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	Mount Washington docks at their own dock. You really don't think the town of Alton would let them use it long enough to just pick up and drop off passengers. I don't know what harm that would do once in a while. How can they allow one commercial vessel and not another? The Mount Washington Dock in Alton Bay is owned by the Winnipesaukee Flagship Corporation and is therefore private property. The property is assessed at $301,200 which is up from last year at $287,600. The Town of Alton is not playing favorites. The Dive simply did not get the required permit. Perhaps the Dive could have also reached out to W.F.Corp and got permission to use the Mount's dock. Dave. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	Say hey ...... here is a totally, totally, totally, totally, totally super-duper idea for The Dive ...... go get that Keno 603 action going on-board The Dive. Is possible The Dive and Keno 603 could be a good fit ....... something to do while waiting for your adult beverage ..... plus, probably the state gives you a free Keno promo sign which can go on the side of their barge. Play Keno here ....... and win big! ...... Keno-garten! __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,765 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,016 Times in 740 Posts	If they phoned Alton Town Hall, "hellooooooo, can we use your dock? ....... the presumed answer would be "sorry, no", but if they just do it, maybe it will slide by and get it done ..... ok? What's a super-duper, totally awesome business plan for The Dive? If The Dive was really smart thinking, it would invade Downing's Landing at the southern most tip of Alton Bay, tie up to the dock there, raise their flag, and declare Downing's Landing to be their permanent, forever home. Is so nice to have a place to call home, and that shaky-waky state dock would probably get rebuilt a whole lot sooner... ha-ha-ha. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 10-03-2018 at 02:26 AM.

10-03-2018, 05:04 AM	#31
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	I know in Wolfeboro the Mount and Winni Belle and Millie B (Boat Museum) all have to go to the town to get permission to use the docks.