Photos of Erosion and Other Ills

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by ApS

It doesn't rain at your property?

Apparently so, just like every boat you don't like that goes by your house creates an environmental disaster of epic proportions.

[loonguy]

My property retains trees and other vegetation, but erosion still occurs. Although the erosion is so gradual that it might not be noticed from one year to the next, a telling indicator is that a surveyor's post from before my time on the property, presumably 30 years ago or so, is now two feet on the water side of the shore line.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by loonguy

My property retains trees and other vegetation, but erosion still occurs. Although the
erosion is so gradual that it might not be noticed from one year to the next, a telling indicator is that a surveyor's post from before my time on the property, presumably 30 years ago or so, is now two feet on the water side of the shore line.

When the lake level is highest, water reaches far behind the visible shoreline rocks—and pulls the soil into the lake.

When oversized boats pass by, their wakes artificially raise the lake level, invisibly (and "innocently") pulling even more soil contents into the lake.

The lake's "reach" is underfoot when one stands at the shoreline. (!)

This tree, which is obviously falling into the lake, could not have started as a sapling at "full pond". This tree is slowly releasing soil into the lake. Like many of the trees along Winter Harbor's shoreline, only a few shoreline rocks are delaying its slow slide into the lake.



I've cropped-out the dredging operation abutting this tree.

Originally Posted by DPatnaude

An interesting short read on the energy of waves as a factor of their height:
https://foca.on.ca/wp-content/upload...ther_lakes.pdf

The article fails to address the compounding of two or more wakes which extends the invisible reach of water to shorelines underfoot.

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

APS, why do you always try and bend posts in directions they weren't meant to go...While it rains at my property, with the amount of vegetation, and rocks at the shoreline... I see very little erosion, end of story.... My shoreline for the most part is untouched.... no attempts for a beach etc. left the way mother nature created it...

There was a time when we didn't have to clean the waterfront of debris, twigs, limbs and the lake's bottom wasn't quicksand.

Like our neighbors (and islanders), we draw water from the lake. Early in the season, lake water appears different. Can you guess which container just might have the results of nine months of precipitation, an artificially-raised Spring lake level, a sun-filled weekend of oversized-boat traffic—versus the container filled a few days earlier?

[Top-Water]

2 quotes below from this thread a few years ago that in all my years on the lake I consider to be the absolute gospel truth in regards to pulling water-skiers. Not sure of the current text of any new instructional boating safety manuals that might exist or ambiguous language in them.

I have no dog in the discussion about wake board boats and the soil erosion topic, but have to laugh a little inside about the unintended consequences that has taken place now that we have all these much slower boats populating the lake. Kinda makes the fast boats make big wakes a B***S*** bad silence story. It always was a BS story just to impress legislators to change the speed limit law.

Back to water skiers, in the 70's when our family was involved with the water ski races trying to find ways to go faster we experimented with rope lengths up to 400+ feet long on lake Winnisquam. DO NOT do this nowadays for couple of reasons and I believe you would need an exhibition permit to do it. When the rope is really long you have to keep the speed of the boat up to 50 miles per hour or faster to keep the line out of the water, and you more or less have to keep traveling in a straight line. Not a fun way to water ski only practical if competing in a water-ski races behind a powerful fast boat.

Maybe instead of taxing property owners more or creating more rules and regulations we should force everyone pulling water skiers to use 400 or 500 foot rope lengths. Think of the problems it would solve more or less everyone would have to waterkski in a straigt line, making it practicaly imposible to ski in small coves. Not to mention all the soil erosion it would slow down.

Dam-it I just realized that would mean creating a new law and and that my post reads like something FLL posted.


https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ead.php?t=4947

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

Towing a water skiier does not give the tow boat any privaliges over other boats. There is a neet little curve ball here too.

The 150 foot safe passage rule also applies to the skiier. If the skiier is cutting out hard to the side it is the responsibility of the vessel operator to ensure that the skiier maintains the 150 foot rule.

Misty Blue.

Originally Posted by DREAMS

I predict the majority of these clueless drivers you are seeing never read, learned or tested for the boater exam - their buddy or relative tested for them and basically handed them the certificate. Those people will never learn anything since they are "set for life".

If anyone went to the required state exam course, the marine patrol officer quite clearly stated: If you are towing a skier, tuber or any object, you must now maintain an additional 150' distance between the person/object in tow and another boat or object in the water. Thus, when towing skiers, your distance becomes 300' to allow for the skier and the boat. If in doubt, call any marine patrol or read your manual. Once again, how will marine patrol pull the ignorant off the lake with life time certificates or give fines for violations when they lack sufficient boats and officers to patrol and see these dangers drivers. Some things will never change!

Once again, how will marine patrol pull the ignorant off the lake with life time certificates or give fines for violations when they lack sufficient boats and officers to patrol and see these dangers drivers.

Stop giving out blanket certificates that allow for any activity with out some actual on the water experience. Something like a learners permit over a period of time, no violations with a basic standard certificate allows you apply for special activities. With training and education related to that activity a little similar to getting a motor cycle endorsement or rules that apply to truck driver. I guess I'm trying to say you would need to earn it to some extent like most of us old timers did with our parents training us when we were young and the lake was less crowded. After all if you can't follow the basic boating laws, you should not take on something more difficult without understanding the special circumstances related to it.

Dam another new law.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by ApS

When the lake level is highest, water reaches far behind the visible shoreline rocks—and pulls the soil into the lake.

When oversized boats pass by, their wakes artificially raise the lake level, invisibly (and "innocently") pulling even more soil contents into the lake.

The lake's "reach" is underfoot when one stands at the shoreline. (!)

This tree, which is obviously falling into the lake, could not have started as a sapling at "full pond". This tree is slowly releasing soil into the lake. Like many of the trees along Winter Harbor's shoreline, only a few shoreline rocks are delaying its slow slide into the lake.



I've cropped-out the dredging operation abutting this tree.



The article fails to address the compounding of two or more wakes which extends the invisible reach of water to shorelines underfoot.

There was a time when we didn't have to clean the waterfront of debris, twigs, limbs and the lake's bottom wasn't quicksand.

Like our neighbors (and islanders), we draw water from the lake. Early in the season, lake water appears different. Can you guess which container just might have the results of nine months of precipitation, an artificially-raised Spring lake level, and a sun-filled weekend of oversized-boat traffic?

Is that picture showing the original shoreline of the lake?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Apparently so, just like every boat you don't like that goes by your house creates an environmental disaster of epic proportions.

Maybe everyone's piling dock shakes from wakes, IDK.

On calm days, friends on the other side of Wolfeboro Neck (Broads-side) have to put up with breathing difficulties, so I guess we're luckier in that "environmental-hazard" aspect.

In Florida, wake-disrupted & floating & rotting Turtle Grass has made people move away from affected oceanfront homes, so even ocean breezes don't bring in enough oxygen.

In Winter Harbor, my neighbors can't hear my radio; most weekends, neither can I.

You may not like the conclusion because it is inconsistent with your agenda, MAXUM, but it is a fair conclusion based on the facts. Why would a surveyor who is marking the end of a property line place a marker two feet into the lake, which is otherwise public space? The marker is also consistent with the otherwise available plots of the property.

We don't have a survey marker in the water, but if you look downward next to it, you can see the lake through tree roots. (And the marker is a good eight feet from our shoreline's rocks).

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Not to drag up a heated GFBL debate again but I wonder if those that were so against these "big ocean boats" causing damage to the lake are happier with the rise in "Go Slow Big Wave" boats which constantly circle about in the same areas. Seems that the GFBL boat has way less impact as it pretty much goes from point "a" to "B". FWIW

You have a point, although their defense was "We are passing by very fast, so the noise doesn't stay around". Today, objectionable noise is amplified electronically, rather than having gamed NH's noise RSA with the recent "Trojan Horse Law". (Absent enforcement).

At least Wakeboarders and Wake-Surfers haven't killed anyone. (Although they've come close — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQQOBLbqPA )

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[ITD]

Originally Posted by ApS

…... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQQOBLbqPA )

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Another captain with no clue how to control his vessel. (waverunner)