"Right of Way" question

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Just makes you wonder what the hell is the matter with people these days?



Be so happy when tourist season is over... and all these morons go back to what ever cesspool they came from.

Wow!!! That is a mouthful. What do you consider a tourist? Part timers or vacations. You have no way of knowing who these particular people were.

As far as this situation goes honestly I never go out on the 4th. It’s just not worth it. The lake is riddled with boaters that do not know the rules, whether residents, part timers or “tourists”.

Right of way is a huge pet peeve of mine as his boats traveling that never look behind them and zig zag all over the place without regard.

But as stated but to take corrective action to keep yourself and your passengers safe and move along.


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[Hillcountry]

Lack of MP presence on the lake...
Being out for just a few hours yesterday (7/5) I witnessed multiple stand-on/give-way infractions no matter where on the lake I was traveling.
It seems to me that EVERYONE ELSE out there thinks they have the right of way.
Like most, I give way to avoid disaster and no on ever waves “thanks” or acknowledges my sacrifice for their safety.
Don’t even ask me about the no wake idiots and 150’ violators...

[MikeF-NH]

I tend to be very passive in terms of giving way and almost always let the other boat stand on. That said, I also review rules as a refresher every so often and noted in the document I read recently that the give way vessel MUST give way and the stand on vessel MUST stand on unless a collision is immenent. Made me wonder if you might get a ticket for NOT standing on due to passiveness....

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

I tend to be very passive in terms of giving way and almost always let the other boat stand on. That said, I also review rules as a refresher every so often and noted in the document I read recently that the give way vessel MUST give way and the stand on vessel MUST stand on unless a collision is immenent. Made me wonder if you might get a ticket for NOT standing on due to passiveness....

This is a very important point. Sometimes, if you do not stand on, thinking you're a nice guy, you are introducing uncertainty into the situation because the other boat no longer knows what you're going to do.

[SAB1]

As most have eluded It's amazing the things that occur out there on the lake. My wife was swimming of the backend of the boat on the 4th on east side of little bear when some knuckle head towing a wake boarder decided he would circle around our boat at about 60 feet just as my wife was trying to be back onboard. She was then stuck hanging onto the platform when the waves from all directions hit. First time I ever actually had a bit of water come over my transom. Some People are just plane stupid and you can't fix it. We typically find ourselves out in the boat between 4-7 pm on weekends as it seems to be a bit more docile out there. The craziness really is at its worst in July. Sorry to hear you had trouble with verbal abuse from those folks. In today's world it's best not to engage people. To many crazies out there. Had I Been in your situation with guy following I likely would have taken his bow numbers and called MP

[rick35]

My experience is the a-hole always gets the right of way. Doesn’t matter what the regs say. Be ready to yield as the other guy won’t.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by rick35

My experience is the a-hole always gets the right of way. Doesn’t matter what the regs say. Be ready to yield as the other guy won’t.

Agreed, simple common sense. Seems like everybody wants to complicate everything. I find watching the "idiots" entertaining sometimes, depending on what they're doing. I saw people tubing in the broads on a pretty rough day this year. The kids were getting POUNDED, looked like rag dolls bouncing up and down. I thought maybe they were being punished for something...!! Maybe I'm just getting old, but it didn't look real fun at all!! I'm not usually in a hurry when I'm on the boat, so if I'm on a collision course with someone that won't give way, I just slow down, or change my course, whatever circumstances allow. If I had someone following me, threatening me, I would just put the phone to my ear and let them know that I'm calling MP, and if they go away, I hang up, if they don't go away, then I will make the call for real and try to keep my distance till MP arrives. It's hard to believe that people can get that mad in such a situation, seemed pretty harmless to me by your description, yes a holes, but not a life threatening situation. Makes me wonder if alcohol was involved. Imagine if there were no lines painted on the roads...

[Lakegeezer]

While considering the question of right of way, how is this situation handled. You are coming on another boat head on in a constricted area, each is on the other's port side. There is no danger of collision, but you don't have 150 feet of separation. You move to the right as much as you can to add space but the other boat maintains course. They could also bear right and create the required separation, but don't. You've done your part, they haven't done theirs and they are not going to slow down. Do you pull back to idle or just maintain speed?

One point of view is that the other boat is the burdened craft, as it is the only one that can change course to create a 150 foot separation. Therefore, you should maintain course. The other point of view is neither boat has right of way over the other, so you should both slow down. In no way is there a collision danger, you are just trying to comply with the local laws of separation.

I ask this because I frequently find myself slowing down in these situations and yet the boat chooses to maintain course and not slow down.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

While considering the question of right of way, how is this situation handled. You are coming on another boat head on in a constricted area, each is on the other's port side. There is no danger of collision, but you don't have 150 feet of separation. You move to the right as much as you can to add space but the other boat maintains course. They could also bear right and create the required separation, but don't. You've done your part, they haven't done theirs and they are not going to slow down. Do you pull back to idle or just maintain speed?

One point of view is that the other boat is the burdened craft, as it is the only one that can change course to create a 150 foot separation. Therefore, you should maintain course. The other point of view is neither boat has right of way over the other, so you should both slow down. In no way is there a collision danger, you are just trying to comply with the local laws of separation.

I ask this because I frequently find myself slowing down in these situations and yet the boat chooses to maintain course and not slow down.

Whatever is safer for your vessel and/or passengers. It's that simple, as the laws are designed for safety first.

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[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Wow!!! That is a mouthful. What do you consider a tourist? Part timers or vacations. You have no way of knowing who these particular people were.

As far as this situation goes honestly I never go out on the 4th. It’s just not worth it. The lake is riddled with boaters that do not know the rules, whether residents, part timers or “tourists”.

Right of way is a huge pet peeve of mine as his boats traveling that never look behind them and zig zag all over the place without regard.

But as stated but to take corrective action to keep yourself and your passengers safe and move along.


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Tourists are the people who don't know the rules and follow people to threaten them after they screwed up. They also are the ones throwing up huge wakes close to shore.

I generally like tourist season but Its always good when they're gone

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

Tourists are the people who don't know the rules and follow people to threaten them after they screwed up. They also are the ones throwing up huge wakes close to shore.



I generally like tourist season but Its always good when they're gone

I completely disagree. There are plenty of rule breaking arrogant residents . Again you have no way of knowing where the rule breakers reside you are merely speculating. Is a tourist just a person on vacation or includes part timers because a know part timers on a person level that abide strictly by the rules and others that could care less.


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[garysanfran]

Everybody has the right to carry concealed weapons without a permit? And I see no requirement for training...Water rage!

Gonna hav'ta carry my 12 gauge next to my life preserver. Or is that going to become life preserver squared on the wata?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

Everybody has the right to carry concealed weapons without a permit? And I see no requirement for training...Water rage!

Gonna hav'ta carry my 12 gauge next to my life preserver. Or is that going to become life preserver squared on the wata?

Get a concealable pistol or revolver...much less hassle than a shotgun...!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

Tourists are the people who don't know the rules and follow people to threaten them after they screwed up. They also are the ones throwing up huge wakes close to shore.



I generally like tourist season but Its always good when they're gone

And you know this how? Intensive study & research?


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[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

And you know this how? Intensive study & research?


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It's my experience, I've discussed it with my neighbors many times and we all agree. Just Friday night coming out to the island I had a guy with a loaded pontoon boat blow right in front of me from my port side without a clue. He was clearly a tourist based on his set up. You can tell the difference many ways. Not trying to sound like I'm better than anyone else it's just how it is. I accept it.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Formula260SS

It's my experience, I've discussed it with my neighbors many times and we all agree. Just Friday night coming out to the island I had a guy with a loaded pontoon boat blow right in front of me from my port side without a clue. He was clearly a tourist based on his set up. You can tell the difference many ways. Not trying to sound like I'm better than anyone else it's just how it is. I accept it.

So basically, you are making it up based on no facts because it fits your narrative. (sounds like someone else in the news a lot). Just what does a “tourist” set up look like?


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[Formula260SS]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

So basically, you are making it up based on no facts because it fits your narrative. (sounds like someone else in the news a lot). Just what does a “tourist” set up look like?


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It's been a widely discussed topic on this forum for many years. Sorry if I'm offending you not my intent. I will say this between memorial and labor day's due to the increase in boat traffic the number of times I get cut off dramatically increases although I don't track stats. The economy is good lots of boats this year, that other guy just may be doing something right.

[MAXUM]

Maybe the better way to say this is that there are those operators out there who leave much to be desired in both how they conduct themselves as well as operate a vessel. That's not to say that all tourists fit into the category of being unsafe, obnoxious, or otherwise jerks, but the odds of running across those that conduct themselves in this manner greatly increases during the prime of the season, when the greatest concentration of tourists exists. So yes this does tend to make a broad assumption but I would assert that while not all tourists fit this description those that do are likely tourists.

[Garcia]

Just curious how others define tourist. Seems like pretty much anyone with island property is a tourist as most of us are residents elsewhere, as are many on the mainland. There are a lucky few who live on the lake year round, but I’m guessing most come here from somewhere else.

As for me, I have over 50 summers on the island on property I own. I bet I have more years on the lake than most (and yes, others are way ahead of me but I’m trying to catch up!), but I’m still from somewhere else. Does this make me a tourist? I’m certainly not a resident, a fact I’m reminded of every time the town votes to spend more money and increase my taxes and I don’t have a vote...

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy

So basically, you are making it up based on no facts because it fits your narrative. (sounds like someone else in the news a lot). Just what does a “tourist” set up look like?


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So you are the ONE who still believes the "news"...??