Winnipesaukee island owner faces fines of $1,000 a day for home expansion

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by moose tracks

Can someone tell me how he was able to install a septic system on the 0.18 acre island for a 3 bedroom home with 2 1/2 baths? From the pictures it looks like it is only 3 or 4 feet above the lake level. How did he pass the perk tests? How was he able to get the required permits required by the Shoreland Water Quality Protection Act?

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Holding tank maybe??....

Correct. There is a holding tank.

[moose tracks]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Correct. There is a holding tank.

Thanks TiltonBB

[SIKSUKR]

I am also trying to understand what "no land based activities" means, especially in regards to boathouse roof.

[FlyingScot]

All that stress and he didn't get to enjoy it. Simple is best


https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...5KK/story.html

[noreast]

I wonder how much of the legal problems you're buying with it. I love it.

[tis]

Wasn't it settled? I thought I read that.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by tis

Wasn't it settled? I thought I read that.

You are correct. The matter has been settled. The legal issues are behind him now and the new owner will not have to deal with it. The state made him make some site modifications, placed restrictions on further construction, and agreed to end the matter.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

All that stress and he didn't get to enjoy it. Simple is best https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...5KK/story.html

The link has a "paywall".

Can you give us the Cliff Notes version?

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[Rusty]

Originally Posted by ApS

The link has a "paywall".

Can you give us the Cliff Notes version?

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This is a link that shows that the island is for sale:

http://www.newhampshire.com/apps/pbc...WS02/180729504

[2DAMTS]

Another article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...19million.html

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by 2DAMTS

Another article

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...19million.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...5KK/story.html

[ITD]

Developer gets away with it again, meanwhile the rules that should have stopped this will get tightened and law abiding people will get their chops busted.

[kawishiwi]

Maybe all of his lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case when he couldnt hood wink DES & the courts, caused this scumball to lose his ability to enjoy the place. With any luck he will have spent more fighting for this illegal monstrosity than he will gain from its sale.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Maybe all of his lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case when he couldnt hood wink DES & the courts, caused this scumball to lose his ability to enjoy the place. With any luck he will have spent more fighting for this illegal monstrosity than he will gain from its sale.

How do you really feel?

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

How do you really feel?

Well...Just to be clear I...

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Maybe all of his lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case when he couldnt hood wink DES & the courts, caused this scumball to lose his ability to enjoy the place. With any luck he will have spent more fighting for this illegal monstrosity than he will gain from its sale.

In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.

And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!



It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.



And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.

I’m so glad you posted this. It has been brewing inside me since the post popped up but I was using the 24 hour rule to calm down before I answered.

This is what happens when people only read part of an article or story or in the case of this site, just the last few posts and not the whole thread. They draw inaccurate conclusions.


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[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.

And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.

I read the court record. Your thoroughly unsubstatiated claims are COMPLETELY destroyed by the fact he was subject to a consent decree, a matter of public record, that he then intentionally failed to comply with. As part of the record is that he claims he got 'verbal' permission from DES, which on its face is a totally B.S. claim. My proof? That B.S. was shot down in court leading to the consent decree. So...he was NOT fully permitted, he was found out of compliance in court, he was subjected to a consent decree that he failed to live up to.

[winni83]

“A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!‘

Perhaps if this non public information were made available there would be less confusion and suspicion. To say that it is Fake News and then refer to information that is not available as a defense does not add any credibility to the argument in favor of the owner.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

“Who’s Your Vladdy?”

This is by far the oddest "signature" on this forum. Does it mean something to anyone other than you?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

This is by far the oddest "signature" on this forum. Does it mean something to anyone other than you?

He happens to be a Trump hater so he adopted this signature to imply that “vladdy” (Vladimir putin) “owned” our President during their recent Helsinki summit...of course, Putin did nothing of the sort but the left does all they can to humiliate and demean our president. Thus, the takeoff on “who’s your daddy”

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

I don't think you should insult posters and the local newspaper. Both seem to have made a good faith effort based on public information.

But if you insist, I think you should back it up by posting the information that has not been made public and pointing out which pieces of the articles are "simply not true".

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I don't think you should insult posters and the local newspaper. Both seem to have made a good faith effort based on public information.

But if you insist, I think you should back it up by posting the information that has not been made public and pointing out which pieces of the articles are "simply not true".

I would be glad to do that but it would require a breach of confidentiality that I will not do. I will just repeat that there is a misconception about what has really happened. Also, there were serious health issues and poor legal representation issues that left the wrong impression with the public. I understand that, and that is why I spoke out about it. I would do that in any situation when I felt someone I knew was being harmed by misunderstanding of the facts. It was not my intention to insult the poster, it was only to point that his post was wrong.

As a general rule, everything published on any subject will look like a "good faith effort" unless you know that it misrepresents facts or does not tell the full story. We have all seen that happen on a near daily basis in the press. Your understanding of the "facts" involving many political matters may depend upon which cable TV station you watch.

With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.

The charges leveled previously by an uninformed poster "lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case" are unfounded, not backed up by the facts, and represent a personal attack on a decent human being.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I would be glad to do that but it would require a breach of confidentiality that I will not do. I will just repeat that there is a misconception about what has really happened. Also, there were serious health issues and poor legal representation issues that left the wrong impression with the public. I understand that, and that is why I spoke out about it. I would do that in any situation when I felt someone I knew was being harmed by misunderstanding of the facts. It was not my intention to insult the poster, it was only to point that his post was wrong.

As a general rule, everything published on any subject will look like a "good faith effort" unless you know that it misrepresents facts or does not tell the full story. We have all seen that happen on a near daily basis in the press. Your understanding of the "facts" involving many political matters may depend upon which cable TV station you watch.

With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.

The charges leveled previously by an uninformed poster "lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case" are unfounded, not backed up by the facts, and represent a personal attack on a decent human being.

what a giant, steaming, pile.

[Onshore]

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...OC-VI-91-A.htm

[Major]

Between Pitchwood and Stonedam Island. Be careful navigating around it. Lots of rocks!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Major

Between Pitchwood and Stonedam Island. Be careful navigating around it. Lots of rocks!

I see it. Looks like a reasonably speedy sailing trip depends on the prevailing breeze and perfect weather. I may have to hitch a stinkpot ride to get over there. (And steer-clear of "The Witches").

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Really? You would have your "raghangar" towed by a "stinkpot" Oh the horror! Oh the pollution! Oh the noise from the straining GASOLINE engine! What if your neighbors see this? Oh my!

I hadn't thought of being so close behind the stinkpot's fumes. I'd have to ride in it.

Because of no wind and threatening weather, I once accepted a tow from a Jet-Ski. There is no worse ignominy! Fortunately, the tow was only a ¼-mile, and I don't think anyone ashore saw it.

BTW: Why do architects universally adopt sailing as a sport? https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/s...e/19boats.html

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

It used to be known as Wilcomb Island. The name Welcome might have developed over time, similar to Brown Bay morphing to Braun Bay.

My 1994 map shows "Welcome", and I think you're correct regarding the "morph". The Wilcombs have disappeared down the memory hole, but "Welcome Island" would help to sell the property.

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by 2DAMTS

Another article
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...19million.html

Thank you—most helpful. The Boston Globe (mentioned twice) has a paywall to fund its "news".

IMHO: This house was built to be sold.

Whoever installed the table tennis "set" didn't appreciate the space and surface needed for that game.

From the site:

There aren’t many boats that sail by because of the submerged rocks in the water.

Yes, a passing sailboat is so very intrusive. Located between two land masses is, at most locations, a poor place to "sail".

At least one rockpile was placed there by the builder. (Who paid a fine).

If "struck by misadventure", could this house be legally rebuilt to its present height and expansiveness? (Or greater?)

This cynic is guessing, yes...

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[tis]

I do not believe the state can be bought. People keep saying if you have enough money you can get anything but I don't think that is true. Having said that, I can't help but wonder how this house could be built on such a small island. What happened to the coverage area rule and the 50 foot rule? And all the other rules? Was it grandfathered? Can you fill us in on that much, Tilton?

[winni83]

“With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.”

Sorry but Mr. Brown’s apologists do little for his cause or reputation by pleading “unknown facts” to redeem him or explain his apparent intentional actions and decisions.

[Outdoorsman]

For those that don't know.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by winni83

“Sorry but Mr. Brown’s apologists do little for his cause or reputation by pleading “unknown facts” to redeem him or explain his apparent intentional actions and decisions.

unknown facts or “alternate” facts. Some don’t seem to know the difference.


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[Flylady]

One can not expect to plead their case without facts. Facts are defined as "something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information."

So people will conclude this story based on the known facts until other "facts" are presented.