Fireworks Scare Animals

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by ApS

You've got it covered with your closing remarks above, highlighted in blue.

Other than, perhaps, their calls, I have no idea how Loons can express depression, but it's a well-known fact that animals—from elephants to cats—feel grief. Anyone with an ounce of empathy—whose dog has lost his mate—can feel it deeply.

Even at Winter Harbor's Camp Wyanoke, we'd ask what that distant noise was, and the reply was always, "Oh, that's The Weirs: They have fireworks every Monday evening".

If Camp Wyanoke had fireworks, I don't recall any. Wyanoke did have a cannon that had weekend onlookers jumping out of their skins.

But today, it's literally right next door.

So today we had a 1st-world problem, supported by people who—and I quote—"Don't blame the out-of-state folks who love it up here and spend lots of money."

I'd sure feel better if fireworks were "environmentally-safe", and were made in the U.S.A. Even better, they should have the empathy that actress Marina Sirtis playing Deanna Troi expressed so well in Star Trek—The Next Generation.

It's responsible to treat animals humanely; therefore, I put myself on the side that empathizes when their pets are confronted by a menacing concept they are unable to understand.

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Just remember that empathy goes both ways. I like you am very fortunate to have a place on the lake that I pretty much enjoy all year long. Eh winter is a bit more tricky but doesn't stop me. Bottom line summers bring lots of people, boat traffic, kids yelling and screaming, dogs barking, crowds, traffic jams and so on. In the fall, winter and spring nobody is around or in number so small it doesn't really matter so there is more peace and quiet. So I choose to say hey ya know there are those that try to get a years worth of enjoyment into a week or two vacation during the summer time, so long as they are not doing something so incredibly dangerous that they should be stopped let the fireworks fly, let the go fast boats have their moments of stupidly fast travel across the water, etc.. or better yet (fill in the blank) because the list of annoying things is long and very distinguished. Life is short, enjoy what you got, clearly many would kill to have a place on the water like you and I both have! This lake is here for everyone to enjoy maybe not always the way YOU would like to see it enjoyed but what makes your idea of enjoyment any better than the next guy?

The dynamics of the lake will always change if you can't accept that then it's really to bad you'll spend your life obsessed with complaining about everything that has changed since year (fill in the blank).

I am in total agreement that animals should be treated humanely, but being scared is a natural instinct that can be triggered by any number of things, both natural or manmade so it is literally impossible to prevent it from happening. Either that or I'll suggest you should be banned from taking a hike in the woods, you may scare a deer and that is both tragic and completely unnecessary!

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Just remember that empathy goes both ways. I like you am very fortunate to have a place on the lake that I pretty much enjoy all year long. Eh winter is a bit more tricky but doesn't stop me. Bottom line summers bring lots of people, boat traffic, kids yelling and screaming, dogs barking, crowds, traffic jams and so on. In the fall, winter and spring nobody is around or in number so small it doesn't really matter so there is more peace and quiet. So I choose to say hey ya know there are those that try to get a years worth of enjoyment into a week or two vacation during the summer time, so long as they are not doing something so incredibly dangerous that they should be stopped let the fireworks fly, let the go fast boats have their moments of stupidly fast travel across the water, etc.. or better yet (fill in the blank) because the list of annoying things is long and very distinguished. Life is short, enjoy what you got, clearly many would kill to have a place on the water like you and I both have! This lake is here for everyone to enjoy maybe not always the way YOU would like to see it enjoyed but what makes your idea of enjoyment any better than the next guy?

The dynamics of the lake will always change if you can't accept that then it's really to bad you'll spend your life obsessed with complaining about everything that has changed since year (fill in the blank).

I am in total agreement that animals should be treated humanely, but being scared is a natural instinct that can be triggered by any number of things, both natural or manmade so it is literally impossible to prevent it from happening. Either that or I'll suggest you should be banned from taking a hike in the woods, you may scare a deer and that is both tragic and completely unnecessary!

BRAVO Maxum!!!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

FLL, probably a little insensitive with your post...

Check again...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...n-bombing.html

BTW: I reported (here) finding a mortar floating off Thomas Point.

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

Just remember that empathy goes both ways. I like you am very fortunate to have a place on the lake that I pretty much enjoy all year long. Eh winter is a bit more tricky but doesn't stop me. Bottom line summers bring lots of people, boat traffic, kids yelling and screaming, dogs barking, crowds, traffic jams and so on. In the fall, winter and spring nobody is around or in number so small it doesn't really matter so there is more peace and quiet. So I choose to say hey ya know there are those that try to get a years worth of enjoyment into a week or two vacation during the summer time, so long as they are not doing something so incredibly dangerous that they should be stopped let the fireworks fly, let the go fast boats have their moments of stupidly fast travel across the water, etc.. or better yet (fill in the blank) because the list of annoying things is long and very distinguished. Life is short, enjoy what you got, clearly many would kill to have a place on the water like you and I both have! This lake is here for everyone to enjoy maybe not always the way YOU would like to see it enjoyed but what makes your idea of enjoyment any better than the next guy?

The dynamics of the lake will always change if you can't accept that then it's really to bad you'll spend your life obsessed with complaining about everything that has changed since year (fill in the blank).

I am in total agreement that animals should be treated humanely, but being scared is a natural instinct that can be triggered by any number of things, both natural or manmade so it is literally impossible to prevent it from happening. Either that or I'll suggest you should be banned from taking a hike in the woods, you may scare a deer and that is both tragic and completely unnecessary!

"Winter", "hunting", "dynamics", "deer", "banned", "peace", "fun", "kill", "screaming", "natural", "hike", "scare", "traffic-jams", "enjoyment", "the next guy", "yelling", "Spring", "fortunate", "boat-traffic", "obsessed", "lake-changes", "summer", "bottom-line", "crowds", "quiet", "short-vacations", "stupidity", "tragic", "unnecessary"...



This thread is in the "Pets" forum.



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[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ApS

Check again...

"Winter", "hunting", "dynamics", "deer", "banned", "peace", "fun", "kill", "screaming", "natural", "hike", "scare", "traffic-jams", "enjoyment", "the next guy", "yelling", "Spring", "fortunate", "boat-traffic", "obsessed", "lake-changes", "summer", "bottom-line", "crowds", "quiet", "short-vacations", "stupidity", "tragic", "unnecessary"...

You're confused? Try reading one of your posts

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Just remember that empathy goes both ways. I like you am very fortunate to have a place on the lake that I pretty much enjoy all year long. Eh winter is a bit more tricky but doesn't stop me. Bottom line summers bring lots of people, boat traffic, kids yelling and screaming, dogs barking, crowds, traffic jams and so on. In the fall, winter and spring nobody is around or in number so small it doesn't really matter so there is more peace and quiet. So I choose to say hey ya know there are those that try to get a years worth of enjoyment into a week or two vacation during the summer time, so long as they are not doing something so incredibly dangerous that they should be stopped let the fireworks fly, let the go fast boats have their moments of stupidly fast travel across the water, etc.. or better yet (fill in the blank) because the list of annoying things is long and very distinguished. Life is short, enjoy what you got, clearly many would kill to have a place on the water like you and I both have! This lake is here for everyone to enjoy maybe not always the way YOU would like to see it enjoyed but what makes your idea of enjoyment any better than the next guy?

The dynamics of the lake will always change if you can't accept that then it's really to bad you'll spend your life obsessed with complaining about everything that has changed since year (fill in the blank).

I am in total agreement that animals should be treated humanely, but being scared is a natural instinct that can be triggered by any number of things, both natural or manmade so it is literally impossible to prevent it from happening. Either that or I'll suggest you should be banned from taking a hike in the woods, you may scare a deer and that is both tragic and completely unnecessary!

Clearer?

Originally Posted by VitaBene

You're confused? Try reading one of your posts

Didn't you know that "empathy works both ways"?

Humans should feel empathy for the terror that fireworks bring to dogs? And...

Dogs should feel empathy for the terror that fireworks bring to humans?


If there's still confusion—if having actually read MAXUM's post—is that nearly all this post is not germane to the forum devoted to PETS—Note the introduction:

"Everyone loves their pets. Especially when they're enjoying time at the lake with us."


The subject of fireworks—in general—needs a new thread. I suggest, "General Issues".

(That is, unless you've domesticated a Whitetail).



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[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by ApS

Clearer?



Didn't you know that "empathy works both ways"?

Humans should feel empathy for the terror that fireworks bring to dogs? And...

Dogs should feel empathy for the terror that fireworks bring to humans?


If there's still confusion—if having actually read MAXUM's post—is that nearly all this post is not germane to the forum devoted to PETS—Note the introduction:

"Everyone loves their pets. Especially when they're enjoying time at the lake with us."


The subject of fireworks—in general—needs a new thread. I suggest, "General Issues".

(That is, unless you've domesticated a Whitetail).



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Is this what happens when we get old we find thing to complain about. or is it just do as i say all threw life telling people what they can do and not to do.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ApS

Clearer?

Yes, it is clear that, as usual, you parse and cobble things together with zero context.

Regarding empathy for animals, I have a great deal of it (3 rescue cats, one rescue dog and a groundhog living under my deck). Most dogs are not afraid of fireworks. Some dogs are afraid of a lot of things.

My dog is not fearful of fireworks, nor are the other 3 that share our vacation house in Suissevale, which has its fair share of folks that like fireworks. I am not saying I appreciate being woken up by fireworks, but when it happens I shut the window, turn the AC onto fan and fall back to sleep!

[tis]

My dog is afraid of everything. Fireworks, loud noises, rain, wind, you name it. Give her an excuse to shake and she will. Poor little thing. It 's so sad to be so scared of everything.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by tis

My dog is afraid of everything. Fireworks, loud noises, rain, wind, you name it. Give her an excuse to shake and she will. Poor little thing. It 's so sad to be so scared of everything.

Oops...your dog. I had to read the post twice, first time through I thought you were referencing one of our more pontificating posters!

[winni83]

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[HomeWood]

Fireworks in general are obnoxious and if you've seen one you've seen them all. The ones that fire them off after a reasonable hour are the ones that irk me the most.

In addition to pets...how about those suffering from PTSD? Imagine coming home from overseas with nightmares and serious issues only to hear similar sounds being created for fun at inappropriate times of the night. This is a real trigger for some.

Fireworks are legal, so carry on if you must. But a little discretion with them would be appreciated by many.

[Puck]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

Fireworks in general are obnoxious and if you've seen one you've seen them all. The ones that fire them off after a reasonable hour are the ones that irk me the most.

In addition to pets...how about those suffering from PTSD? Imagine coming home from overseas with nightmares and serious issues only to hear similar sounds being created for fun at inappropriate times of the night. This is a real trigger for some.

Fireworks are legal, so carry on if you must. But a little discretion with them would be appreciated by many.

Case in point: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...-veterans.html

[ApS]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

Fireworks in general are obnoxious and if you've seen one you've seen them all. The ones that fire them off after a reasonable hour are the ones that irk me the most.

In addition to pets...how about those suffering from PTSD? Imagine coming home from overseas with nightmares and serious issues only to hear similar sounds being created for fun at inappropriate times of the night. This is a real trigger for some.

Fireworks are legal, so carry on if you must. But a little discretion with them would be appreciated by many.

I agree but, as expected, others have different views:

Originally Posted by VitaBene

earplugs work wonders for fun sponges.

Originally Posted by tis

My dog is afraid of everything. Fireworks, loud noises, rain, wind, you name it. Give her an excuse to shake and she will. Poor little thing. It 's so sad to be so scared of everything.

You've described this "teacup" poodle here last year.

What happens if this snowflake is approached by a Chipmunk?

Originally Posted by Skip

Oops...your dog. I had to read the post twice, first time through I thought you were referencing one of our more pontificating posters!

You mean, meee...?





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[Skip]

Originally Posted by ApS

You mean, meee...?

Your grasp of the obvious is simply amazing.....

[tis]

My little one is aggressive when she sees birds or chipmunks. If she is afraid she doesn't show it!!

[Woody38]

Our Poodles have a distaste for squirrels and chipmunks. Oddly, they enjoy the deer and turkeys in the yard

[Barney Bear]

How do your poodles like their wild game prepared? 😁

[ApS]

Does your dog appreciate you more than food?

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News Alert: Science discovers what we already knew:



Excerpt:

"...If the animals are aware of their suffering — and I think they are — we ought to reconsider their treatment.

This research makes it clear that animals have brains with the capacity to feel many of the emotions we do..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/s...gs-brains.html

(No word yet, on cats...)

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[tis]

Woody, he looks just like my white guy!! He is adorable!!

[Woody38]

Barney,
Our poodles like it any way I prepare it.
I usually say I don't fed them anything I wouldn't eat.

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Barney Bear

How do your poodles like their wild game prepared? ��

My two dogs love fresh sautéed deer heart and liver. They are very happy when I have a successful season.

In this case I feed them something I won't eat...