Lakes Region - Where is a shop that does car oil undercoating?

[MOXIE]

I do a lot of oil undercoating. Fluid Film works ok, but is not cheap. I mix auto trans fluid with chainsaw bar oil. This mix lasts longer than anything else I have tried. If anyone says they can do the entire underside in half an hour they are not hitting all the frame, body, lines, ect. A good job takes time and is messy. I usually charge $150.oo and try to line up a couple to do together.
MOXIE

[HomeWood]

I've heard about ATF thinned with acetone works well. Thin it so a regular household spray bottle can spray it.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by MOXIE

I do a lot of oil undercoating. Fluid Film works ok, but is not cheap. I mix auto trans fluid with chainsaw bar oil. This mix lasts longer than anything else I have tried. If anyone says they can do the entire underside in half an hour they are not hitting all the frame, body, lines, ect. A good job takes time and is messy. I usually charge $150.oo and try to line up a couple to do together.
MOXIE

I've tried both and I still think straight up gear oil wins out as the best. I do need to heat it up pretty good before applying it otherwise it won't spray. Driving down a nice dusty road after helps it stay stuck.

[BroadHopper]

Anyone knows of a commercial car wash that will also wash the bottom of your car? The nearest one that I know of is ManchVegas. It would be nice to have one in the Lakes Region to wash the salt off after an ice storm.

[LIforrelaxin]

I read these threads and often scratch my head. I have never oiled the under side of a vehicle. Never had an issue either.........

car#1 oldsmobile 1984 Delta 88 owned by my familiy for 10 years driven 200K miles and didn't have any issues....

car #2 1992 Buick Skylark, driven for 7 years, to 150K miles and didn't have any issues

car #3 1999 Buick Century driven for 5 years about 130K miles and didn't have any issues

car #4 2004 Chevy Silverado, driven for 7 years about 160K miles didn't have any issues

car #5 2006 Chevy Trailblazer, bought used had now for 3 years total of 120K miles and showing no issues.

Now am I just lucky? Or does routine washing through out the winter, and a heavy duty washing in the spring really help....

Most metals are treated these days during the construction of an automobile, the old techniques of oiling them doesn't seem to be needed. Not only do I see my track record, but also that of my father, brother, and other relatives and friends who gave up on the oiling of cars long ago....

Now I am not telling anyone to stop doing what makes them comfortable... just offering up an observation and opinion for others to chew on.... I drive my cars all winter long and put a considerable amount of miles on every year... I don't worry about treatment, I just run through the car wash at least twice a month through the winter, and do a hand cleaning in the spring.

[Happy Gourmand]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I read these threads and often scratch my head. I have never oiled the under side of a vehicle. Never had an issue either.........

car#1 oldsmobile 1984 Delta 88 owned by my familiy for 10 years driven 200K miles and didn't have any issues....

car #2 1992 Buick Skylark, driven for 7 years, to 150K miles and didn't have any issues

car #3 1999 Buick Century driven for 5 years about 130K miles and didn't have any issues

car #4 2004 Chevy Silverado, driven for 7 years about 160K miles didn't have any issues

car #5 2006 Chevy Trailblazer, bought used had now for 3 years total of 120K miles and showing no issues.

Now am I just lucky? Or does routine washing through out the winter, and a heavy duty washing in the spring really help....

Most metals are treated these days during the construction of an automobile, the old techniques of oiling them doesn't seem to be needed. Not only do I see my track record, but also that of my father, brother, and other relatives and friends who gave up on the oiling of cars long ago....

Now I am not telling anyone to stop doing what makes them comfortable... just offering up an observation and opinion for others to chew on.... I drive my cars all winter long and put a considerable amount of miles on every year... I don't worry about treatment, I just run through the car wash at least twice a month through the winter, and do a hand cleaning in the spring.

I'm with you on this. Haven't had a rust issue with any car I've owned in the past few decades. I use a car wash with an undercarriage rinse in the winter, and in the spring, use a hose to thoroughly rinse the undercarriage.
Some car models were prone to rust and there is just about nothing you could do for those. I've never owned one of the rust prone vehicles.

[jrc]

Finally something I can do with that used motor oil. Seriously, I can't just pour the oil in the lake but I can spray it on my car and let the rain and snow wash it in the lake.

Now if I can just find a way to dump my trash out the car window a little at a time and save all those trips to the dump.

You guys are so much fun, I though you were serious.

[MOXIE]

I repair a lot of rusted frames, brake lines, ect. Since the New England states have been using calcium chloride with salt, the rust issues have gotten worse.
Not everyone can afford to drive cars and trucks that are newer than 10yrs. Some cars have rust resistant brake lines but not all.
To; jcr about oil in the lake, How many 2stroke outboards are on the lake?? For every 50 gallons of gas they burn, they dump 1 gallon of oil directly in the lake. I don,t like it any more than you do.
MOXIE

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by MOXIE

I repair a lot of rusted frames, brake lines, ect. Since the New England states have been using calcium chloride with salt, the rust issues have gotten worse.
Not everyone can afford to drive cars and trucks that are newer than 10yrs. Some cars have rust resistant brake lines but not all.
To; jcr about oil in the lake, How many 2stroke outboards are on the lake?? For every 50 gallons of gas they burn, they dump 1 gallon of oil directly in the lake. I don,t like it any more than you do.
MOXIE

I understand that many people can't afford new cars... I haven't always had new cars.... most of the cars I mention I bought used. Except of course my 2004 Silverado....

Things like brake lines and exhaust which fail due to corrosion, are part of normal maintenance on an older vehicle yes oiling those may get another year or two, but I think that most often you will find this practice doesn't buy you much more time. All cars I mentioned above had original brake lines and they where still in good condition.

The frame of the car is what you are most concerned with preserving... once again this is where regular undercarriage washes through out the winter pay off. Oiling may slow the rust some, but it isn't going to prevent it....

Last where did you get your figure of 50 gallons of gas equals 1 gallon of oil into the lake for a two stroke engine.... This is false.... I see your basing the idea on the ratio for most 2 stroke engines of 50:1..... The truth is the oil is mixed with the gas and burned. If someone is seeing large quantities of oil coming out of there two stroke exhaust something is wrong. I will admit two strokes aren't the most environmentally friendly engines. But they are not polluting machines either.

Bottom line here don't use a scare tactic, not based in FACT, to justify the practice of oiling the undercarriage of a car. Done right and away from the lake I don't have an issue with people oiling the underside of the car.... because yes a crap load of oil from roadways finds it ways into the water regardless. I just don't think it is necessary or as effective as people want to believe.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Last where did you get your figure of 50 gallons of gas equals 1 gallon of oil into the lake for a two stroke engine.... This is false.... I see your basing the idea on the ratio for most 2 stroke engines of 50:1..... The truth is the oil is mixed with the gas and burned. If someone is seeing large quantities of oil coming out of there two stroke exhaust something is wrong. I will admit two strokes aren't the most environmentally friendly engines. But they are not polluting machines either.

I love it when someone questions someone else's comment stating that they don't have any facts, and then they give their own opinion without any facts.

I would like to see where you get your facts that 2 stroke engines aren't polluting machines.
I don't know if they are or if they aren't, but if you are going to ask for other members facts then you need to provide us with some facts also.

Prove it that "this is false" about what MOXIE stated.

[MOXIE]

Facts or "Scare Tactics". I could care less if I ever oil another frame. It is the messiest job I do. It does not pay enough. I am positive that if you take down the front splash shield on your 04 Silverado and look at where the brake lines are secured to the frame with plastic clips, you will find a good bit of rust. I have a 03 2500hd (never plowed) and I just replaced all the lines (fuel lines also).
As far as 2stokes go, Watch a 2stroke start up cold, the smoke you see is not all heat. It is burnt oil, guess where it settles down too.
I don,t want to start a beef and I would not have responded to your reply, but your FACTS are false. Let it go, I refuse to go into a war just because I was invited. Peace My Friend, MOXIE

[DBreskin]

According to the article referenced below, up to 30% of 2-cycle oil is discharged into the water.

http://www.ukmarinesac.org.uk/activi...ion/r03_01.htm

[HellRaZoR004]

Originally Posted by DBreskin

According to the article referenced below, up to 30% of 2-cycle oil is discharged into the water.

http://www.ukmarinesac.org.uk/activi...ion/r03_01.htm

I like the effort but lets try and find something a little more recent...

The UK Marine SACs Project website was a vehicle for communicating and distributing the learning, knowledge and outputs from the UK Marine SACs Project to its wider audience. Since the project was completed in 2001, this website has been closed and all its documents and background information can now be accessed through the UKMPA Centre.

[LIforrelaxin]

1st... Moxie I don't intend to cause a war feud or anything of the sort...

2nd.... I never claimed facts... I said don't use tactics not based in fact

3rd..... Based on an article posted here 30% of oil from a two stroke makes it to water.... so 30% of a gallon, is 70% less then 1 gallon.... and at 30% with an older outboard I would agree that this could be true....I argue that this is a huge difference.

So, my definition of a scare tactic, is taking a fact and glorifying it for a purpose.... And as I stated, outboards are not polluting machines.... they are not the best for the environment... and probably about as bad for environment as oiling ones car.......

I actually have no problem with the practice of oiling cars, I just don't see it as necessary.

[missedbass]

I have a Dakota pickup, olds minivan and a jeep that have had numerous brake lines replaced and the frames are in good shape. had an old Isuzu pickup with a rotted frame but the brake lines never needed replacement.

[Rusty]

Any Internal Combustion Engine that is fed by fossil fuel is a polluting machine.

Now back on topic.

I wouldn't waste too much time or money on undercoating any vehicle that you have. Most vehicle frames are coated with something when they are new and will last long enough before you get sick of the vehicle and trade it in.
IMO anyway.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by missedbass

I have a Dakota pickup, olds minivan and a jeep that have had numerous brake lines replaced and the frames are in good shape. had an old Isuzu pickup with a rotted frame but the brake lines never needed replacement.

Yep.... fully agree things rot and rust differently..... Toyota Trucks where once known for the beds rotting....

[VitaBene]

My 99 F250 around town/ plow truck has 204K on it. it definitely has taken a rust hit since Moultonborough switched to all salt (Magic Salt, I believe). I have to go under it this winter and repair cab corners and bottom of doors and rockers. It is a 7.3 diesel 6 speed truck which are not available any longer so I hope to milk 5 more years out of it!

It is also parked in my heated Morton building in the winter with the plow on it. I have a feeling that is causing some of the problem as well with heat speeding up the process as opposed to sitting there semi frozen in my driveway. So I may look you up for next winter, Moxie!!

[MAXUM]

I catch a lot of grief for oiling my vehicles but I really don't care. It does work and no amount of washing in the winter will protect your vehicle as well as oil will. It's not just protecting the underside, but protecting the body from rusting too.

Crawl up under my truck and the thing looks as new, no rust anywhere. Really the only way to appreciate just how good it works is to take a look at one that has been treated vs one that hasn't. The older they are the more stark the difference is. I work on my own vehicles and keep them a long time, I do it because I hate dealing with rust and corrosion, and the oiling prevents all that from ever starting.

[dpg]

I'm still trying to figure out whether people are serious or not? I've never heard of doing this either... Even if you did do this I would think it rinses off the first drive taken on a rainy day with all the tire spray getting underneath.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by dpg

I'm still trying to figure out whether people are serious or not? I've never heard of doing this either... Even if you did do this I would think it rinses off the first drive taken on a rainy day with all the tire spray getting underneath.

Yes people really do this, and have been doing so for years..... There are those that swear by it. I figure if it makes you feel better have at it.... But I don't see it as necessary.

Beside oil, there used to be other spray on applications etc, which where claimed to have been effective... I seem to recall seeing cars with stickers claiming to be treated with "Rusty Jones".....

I think the bottom line for most of this is that you do have to apply yearly........

[BroadHopper]

A number of my friends are reputable auto body repairs. They basically say salt is inevitable. A chassis wash after a salt storm in above freezing temperature is about the only way to go. Oil baths, undercoating just prolong the rust.
The new technology of protecting the paint is great as long as you don't have a scratch. The bottom of the vehicle get scoured away by gravel etc.
I have a 2001 Jeep Cherokee Limited that had the bottom spray painted with chassis paint about 6 years ago when my mechanic saw signs of rust. I still have that beauty. Now the sheet metal is beginning to show rust pits on the top and sides of the Jeep. The chassis is fine.

[watsbobton]

I do frame oiling for $149 / car, $199 / truck

I use Fluid-film mixed with wax.
Its EPA friendly.

I'm located in New Hampton.

Call Today! 603-937-7110
Bobby

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by dpg

I'm still trying to figure out whether people are serious or not? I've never heard of doing this either... Even if you did do this I would think it rinses off the first drive taken on a rainy day with all the tire spray getting underneath.

The old Yankees in NH have been doing this for many decades. So yes, it is real. It is also legal to dispel those rumors.

Just spoke with a local who I know - he purchased a 2000 something Ford F150 Extended Cab 4X4 with an 8 foot bed 8 years ago. A rare and more expensive truck. He travels to Manchester for inspections at a shop where he knows the owner. He does get inspection stickers. But even this place/shop told him this year was the last year for an inspection sticker for his truck. The truck still looks somewhat nice but the frame is rotted. No, not in good enough condition to replace/fix frame. At about $30,000 plus at time of purchase - now worthless - except for a parts vehicle.
New one coming next year at a cost of another $30,000 plus.

No, he doesn't believe in oil undercoating. You see, new vehicles don't rust. That's what the new truck salesman told him.
Maybe he will get another Ford truck - all aluminum alloy on the body - but no, not the frame.

Human nature is quite interesting. Some believe - some don't and will never.

[That Guy]

I just bought a 2015 F250 CCLB. Before I picked it up I had it undercoated in...Belmont I want to say. I have friends that use bar and chain oil. I paid something like $400 to have it done with FluidFilm. Every year I'll go back for a touch up and its $100. I also want to Line-X the bed along with the bottom 6" of the body. That's about $3000 to have done. Sort of wished I financed that in with the purchase of the truck.

As far as it washing it off, its fine. It repels the water. I do wash my truck once a week and use the pressure washer. I do the manual wash because the auto wash may knock off all the FluidFilm.

[dippasan]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I catch a lot of grief for oiling my vehicles but I really don't care. It does work and no amount of washing in the winter will protect your vehicle as well as oil will. It's not just protecting the underside, but protecting the body from rusting too.

Crawl up under my truck and the thing looks as new, no rust anywhere. Really the only way to appreciate just how good it works is to take a look at one that has been treated vs one that hasn't. The older they are the more stark the difference is. I work on my own vehicles and keep them a long time, I do it because I hate dealing with rust and corrosion, and the oiling prevents all that from ever starting.

Amen!
I have a 96 Ford F-250 Crew cab with 102k. (Almost 20 years old) that I bought 4 years ago. I put a lot of work into the engine and I want it to last 20 more if possible. It is not my primary vehicle and sits a lot. I'd love to be able to buy a new one every few years but can't.
Oiling the undercarriage stops further rusting, protects my investment and makes it much, much easier for me to work on. (Fasteners stay in good condition). The impact on the environment is minimal compared to a 6500lb truck going to the crusher prematurely because of rust IMHO.

[dpg]

When going down a dirt road specially right after it's done doesn't it all gunk up with sand, dust and pebbles?

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by dpg

When going down a dirt road specially right after it's done doesn't it all gunk up with sand, dust and pebbles?

They actually recommend to do this right after the oil undercoating. Helps keep the oil in place. So this is a good idea.

[songkrai]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

The frame of the car is what you are most concerned with preserving... once again this is where regular undercarriage washes through out the winter pay off. Oiling may slow the rust some, but it isn't going to prevent it....

Guess you are one of the "lucky" ones.

My pickup truck is 25 years old and still looks new. Thanks to oil undercoating and paste wax once or twice per year.

Too many never view the bottom of their vehicles. Rust starts day one.
My mechanic shop has two bays. When I get my vehicles serviced I look underneath my vehicle and any others that are in shop. It is amazing what the others look like underneath. Full of rust. The body may still be pretty.
Sadly, few customers look underneath their vehicles.

Yes, now the manufacturers do paint the inside of door panels. That does help.
Washing does help.

Bottom line, I see $25,000-$50,000 cars/suvs/trucks with lots of rust on the bottom.

The oil does prevent this.

And a clean underneath helps when time comes to sell or trade.

How many people even wax their cars anymore?

Yes, some have the fortune to buy a new vehicle every 3-7 years. And that is wonderful for them.

[songkrai]

Some have stated that cars don't rust anymore.

If these folks had the oil undercoating done or the Fluid Film. There would be no rust.

[fatlazyless]

.....gotta wonder....does www.irwinautobody.com do rustproofing or undercoating or whatever you call it?

[DRH]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

.....gotta wonder....does www.irwinautobody.com do rustproofing or undercoating or whatever you call it?

I don't know about Irwin, but Cantin Chevrolet does it with Fluid Film. I have them do a touch-up treatment on my Silverado each year.

[cessnaair]

I use outboard fogging oil, works great for me