Cost of Permanent Dock

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Boathouses have not been allowed in Moultonboro for over 10 years. Restriction applies to all three major lakes: Winnipesaukee, Squam, and Kanasatka.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Boathouses have not been allowed in Moultonboro for over 10 years. Restriction applies to all three major lakes: Winnipesaukee, Squam, and Kanasatka.

That 2000 SF Boathouse in that article I linked, was completed in 2008 and is located in Moultonborough! That is 6 years ago!

That project also included construction of a boardwalk through forested wetlands to access the frontage, filling of forested wetlands to relocate an existing access road.

Everything about that project exceeded the written guidelines and was made possible due to proper study ahead of time and knowing that the approval process in this state does not end at the first person you talk to at DES.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by jmen24

That 2000 SF Boathouse in that article I linked, was completed in 2008 and is located in Moultonborough! That is 6 years ago!

That project also included construction of a boardwalk through forested wetlands to access the frontage, filling of forested wetlands to relocate an existing access road.

Everything about that project exceeded the written guidelines and was made possible due to proper study ahead of time and knowing that the approval process in this state does not end at the first person you talk to at DES.

The boathouse you referenced is well known and was permitted prior to the effective date of the pertinent zoning ordinance. There were several owners who took advantage of this time period to submit boathouse applications. Please check with the CEO Don Cahoon if you still have doubts.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

The boathouse you referenced is well known and was permitted prior to the effective date of the pertinent zoning ordinance. There were several owners who took advantage of this time period to submit boathouse applications. Please check with the CEO Don Cahoon if you still have doubts.

I don't have doubts, I am fully aware of when the approval was given for this project. I am really just splitting hairs on "more than 10 years", that should read literally as just over the 10 year mark, by months.

It is quite common for towns to have "tighter" zoning regs than the state, New London is one such town in regard to shoreland zoning, but to flat deny the ability to conform to the state prescribed regulations of an approved structure on state controlled waters, seems bold!

Do you know the reasoning behind that decision?

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by jmen24

I don't have doubts, I am fully aware of when the approval was given for this project. I am really just splitting hairs on "more than 10 years", that should read literally as just over the 10 year mark, by months.

It is quite common for towns to have "tighter" zoning regs than the state, New London is one such town in regard to shoreland zoning, but to flat deny the ability to conform to the state prescribed regulations of an approved structure on state controlled waters, seems bold!

Do you know the reasoning behind that decision?

I attended most of the Planning Board meetings when the ordinance was proposed. Basically, the Squam Lake powers to be put together a well oiled presentation to towns surrounding Squam, insisting that boathouses were the worst thing to ever happen to a lake. Tom Curren, then the Executive Director of the Lakes Region Conservation Trust, and the head of the Squam Lakes Association both made strong arguments concerning all sorts of environmental issues. They had obviously had prior discussions with the PB Chair Mark Tempkin and before anyone knew it, the proposed ordinance was approved to be put on the ballot for approval at town meeting. I believe that Center Harbor had already approved such a measure.

To the best of my knowledge, no towns that did not have Squam frontage were pressured to ban boathouses. Personally, I always thought that boathouses were fine and thought the ordinance was not necessary. In fact, hasn't it been proven that boathouses built over the water rather than dug into the land cause no ecological/environmental problems?

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Boathouses have not been allowed in Moultonboro for over 10 years. Restriction applies to all three major lakes: Winnipesaukee, Squam, and Kanasatka.

I would like to see that in writing.... because right now there is one being constructed on Pleasant Island...... Which I believe falls under the jurisdiction of Moultonborough....

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I would like to see that in writing.... because right now there is one being constructed on Pleasant Island...... Which I believe falls under the jurisdiction of Moultonborough....

If it's the Pleasant Island over near Long Island and the 6-pack, then it's in Tuftonboro. See tax map attached.

[Steveo]

I did not think boat houses were allowed anymore over existing water. I thought they were only allowed over land that could be dug out. Always sounded strange to me. Also, I thought crib docks were no longer allowed as well.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Steveo

I did not think boat houses were allowed anymore over existing water. I thought they were only allowed over land that could be dug out. Always sounded strange to me. Also, I thought crib docks were no longer allowed as well.

I also was under the impression that boat houses were no longer allowed at all unless there was one on the site previously which would make it grandfathered in...

[tis]

You are right. The land has to be dug in, they are not allowed over existing water. And we therefore changed the shoreline so our other building had to be 50 feet in from the NEW waterline.

[RailroadJoe]

I think all it takes is a lot of money and a good lawyer to build anything you desire.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

I think all it takes is a lot of money and a good lawyer to build anything you desire.

This is very true. Take a look at construction projects around the lake and you will see that.

Back to the dock. Call Watermark Marine if your serious about a dock. They do good work and show up when they say they will. Can't say as much for other outfits on the lake I have dealt with. But as mentioned above it costs plenty of money for the permanent dock. The permit from the state was $1200 alone and there were other fees and costs paid to the town etc that ran it up to $2,000 quick. It also takes a fair amount of time (several months) between when the application gets filed and when the approval comes in.

[tis]

I disagree. I don't think you can buy your way around the state rules. Maybe if you are the governor or someone in power in the state?

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I also was under the impression that boat houses were no longer allowed at all unless there was one on the site previously which would make it grandfathered in...

That is not true at all.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by jmen24

That is not true at all.

So your saying you can build a NEW boat house over water on lake Winni and the land does not have to be dug in?? What tis went through is incorrect then??... because that is the exact way it was described to me when I inquired with someone I considered a reputable contractor on the lake.

Have you built one recently Jmen on lake Winni?

I would like to hear Shorefront confirm that can in fact build new over water boat houses on the lake without digging in.

Very interesting if true...

Dan

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

So your saying you can build a NEW boat house over water on lake Winni and the land does not have to be dug in?? What tis went through is incorrect then??... because that is the exact way it was described to me when I inquired with someone I considered a reputable contractor on the lake.

Have you built one recently Jmen on lake Winni?

I would like to hear Shorefront confirm that can in fact build new over water boat houses on the lake without digging in.

Very interesting if true...

Dan

You stated that you were under the impression boathouses were no longer allowed at all unless one existed previously; that is not true. A new boathouse can be built on a waterfront lot starting tomorrow even if one did not exist there before.

How it has to be built is not what I was referring too!

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by jmen24

You stated that you were under the impression boathouses were no longer allowed at all unless one existed previously; that is not true. A new boathouse can be built on a waterfront lot starting tomorrow even if one did not exist there before.

How it has to be built is not what I was referring too!

Guess I should of said can't build one "over water at all unless one previously existed"

Please forgive me...

Dan

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Guess I should of said can't build one "over water at all unless one previously existed"

Please forgive me...

Dan

No need for forgiveness Dan, I read your post and not the quoted portion you were expanding on. Had I read that flow of thought, I would not have responded. It wasn't until I read your reaction to my post that I started to think that I missed something and I had.

It's all good!

Jeremy

By the way:
I try very hard to live in the actual, not in the "I think" or "I heard" areas of what is allowed in residential construction. Many people take exception to an idea or activity that is slightly different than a choice or decision they made regarding their own home. I am not of the mindset to give someone bunk information. My black or white way of thinking rubs some people the wrong way, but I do not make excuses for my convictions or responsibilities.

I have apparently become a target for some recent posts that disagree with "popular" members, which is to be expected I guess.

[jmen24]

While all the money in the world may not buy you forgiveness! A good allocation of capital (and patience) at the beginning could certainly buy you approval!

That is the lesson that Marriott learned. He felt the rules didn't apply to him and he found out wrong!

The owners of the linked boathouse received the approval for their work from the Executive Council for the Governors Office. That is the last stop before heading to a court.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

If it's the Pleasant Island over near Long Island and the 6-pack, then it's in Tuftonboro. See tax map attached.

Thank you Little Bear, I will now gracefully fall on my sword .... Ouch... And apologize to Sue Doe-Nym, who is apparently correct about a ban on new boat houses in Moultonborough.