Wolfeboro Police Commissioner

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by christo1

Why are the duck dynasty guys nuts? because they have different political views than you ?

Political, no. I could care less about one's political view.

Phil Robertson is a religious nut.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want, so I am free to say that Phil Robertson is a religious nut. His own words prove that.

Let's keep it lake related, he's a loon.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

Political, no. I could care less about one's political view.

Phil Robertson is a religious nut.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want, so I am free to say that Phil Robertson is a religious nut. His own words prove that.

Let's keep it lake related, he's a loon.

So it is safe to say that Robertson meets your criteria to be called/labeled a "nut"!

Now not many folks are going to go up in arms about your use of that word to label someone, mostly because it is currently socially OK to use that word to describe a person.

I wonder what types of words used to describe certain people, were socially accepted when these old men where in their younger years? I know what kind of language my grandfather (born 1922) and great-grandmother (born 1906) used to describe folks of color or different orientation. I never considered them racist, they didn't spout those terms in hate, just as a description, with no interest in understanding or acceptance. My parents never talked like that and good people were regarded as good people, irregardless of their beliefs, orientation or color. Those that you did not agree with or have interest in were left to their own. We were not in a position to judge their beliefs or choices! Focus on you and what makes you happy, not what makes you popular or "better"! Not everyone grew up with parents like that and for that I consider myself lucky.

Their's was a very different time than today. If this thread teaches anything, it should be that no one's personal opinion is free from judgment and is only one generation away from being deemed socially repulsive!

I just hope that my kids are allowed to have an opinion, let alone voice it anywhere, when they reach their 30's!

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by jmen24

So it is safe to say that Robertson meets your criteria to be called/labeled a "nut"!

Now not many folks are going to go up in arms about your use of that word to label someone, mostly because it is currently socially OK to use that word to describe a person.

I wonder what types of words used to describe certain people, were socially accepted when these old men where in their younger years? I know what kind of language my grandfather (born 1922) and great-grandmother (born 1906) used to describe folks of color or different orientation. I never considered them racist, they didn't spout those terms in hate, just as a description, with no interest in understanding or acceptance. My parents never talked like that and good people were regarded as good people, irregardless of their beliefs, orientation or color. Those that you did not agree with or have interest in were left to their own. We were not in a position to judge their beliefs or choices! Focus on you and what makes you happy, not what makes you popular or "better"! Not everyone grew up with parents like that and for that I consider myself lucky.

Their's was a very different time than today. If this thread teaches anything, it should be that no one's personal opinion is free from judgment and is only one generation away from being deemed socially repulsive!

I just hope that my kids are allowed to have an opinion, let alone voice it anywhere, when they reach their 30's!

Great point. As I said before, we are talking about a specific word that NEVER has a justification to be used. The word I used, nut, refers to my opinion of his mental status, not a derogatory term to describe a race of people. Had he called Obama almost any other word, there would be no discussion or call for resignation.

[tis]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

Great point. As I said before, we are talking about a specific word that NEVER has a justification to be used. The word I used, nut, refers to my opinion of his mental status, not a derogatory term to describe a race of people. Had he called Obama almost any other word, there would be no discussion or call for resignation.

NEVER has a justification to be used? Do you know how the blacks talk to each other down south? Do you know what they call each other?

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by tis

NEVER has a justification to be used? Do you know how the blacks talk to each other down south? Do you know what they call each other?

Forget down south. Listen to the lyrics in black rap music.

[fatlazyless]

..... once you get to be 80 just seems like he should be getting a second chance for saying something stupid ..... plus it seems likely that he probably had an adult beverage or two and was just shoot'n his mouth off .... even if he really feels that way ..... it would have been smart to back-peddle and just apologize for what he said ....everyone says dopey stuff depending on your mood and the situation and to whom u r talking with ... especially after having a beer or two or three


.... "discretion is the better part of valour" .... in other words .... it's wise to be careful and avoid un-necessary risks

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

..... once you get to be 80 just seems like he should be getting a second chance for saying something stupid ..... plus it seems likely that he probably had an adult beverage or two and was just shoot'n his mouth off .... even if he really feels that way ..... it would have been smart to back-peddle and just apologize for what he said ....everyone says dopey stuff depending on your mood and the situation and to whom u r talking with ... especially after having a beer or two or three


.... "discretion is the better part of valour" .... in other words .... it's wise to be careful and avoid un-necessary risks

When he took his second chance he refused to attempt a comeback he double downed and kept up the crazy talk, and this guy does the hireling

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by tis

NEVER has a justification to be used? Do you know how the blacks talk to each other down south? Do you know what they call each other?

I live down south. That word is used so often by a certain segment of the population here, I do not even hear it anymore. It's like hearing the word like. It is used out of anger and embrace. It is very confusing! I wish I had a dollar for every time I was called a racial slur here or when my skin color was the basis of an insult. I could have moved back home to New England by now but I've got a little ways to go for that.

[Pineedles]

This thread will be the demise of the Winnipesaukee.com/forum! The PC crowd will call some bigots, and the non-PC crowd will feel their 1st Amendment rights are being threatened. I think most members are good people, just expressing their opinion. Close the discussion now! I know this is an area where controversial topics can be discussed but this discussion may be on national news. Let's just let it die a natural death and not let the flatlanders be entertained by us.

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

This thread will be the demise of the Winnipesaukee.com/forum! The PC crowd will call some bigots, and the non-PC crowd will feel their 1st Amendment rights are being threatened. I think most members are good people, just expressing their opinion. Close the discussion now! I know this is an area where controversial topics can be discussed but this discussion may be on national news. Let's just let it die a natural death and not let the flatlanders be entertained by us.

This is a easy going forum where I find it more enjoyable to discuss specific lake or lake region issues but this really is one of them. However, the topic is a much bigger issue than what can be confined within the town borders of Wolfeboro.

I completely understand what you mean by this response but I immediately pictured a head in the sand or fingers in the ears saying "La La La La". I'm not sure why Wolfeboro needs police commissioners but did this guy do a good job? That needs to be considered prior to the pitch forks coming out. Our VP of this country has said some really racially boneheaded things and he was never at risk of being run out of office for them.

I do not agree with what this guy said but is it becoming social policy to tar and feather for every stupid thing said these days? Have all of us not said something stupid and off the cuff a time or two? Next time you say something dumb at work, will you voluntarily resign or agree with being terminated? If you do not plan to vacate your position for such a mistake, then you need to extend some degree of consideration to this guy too. Do not mistake that with accepting the behavior. I understand public figures are held (sometimes) to a higher standard. This is a lakes region issue and it has made national news. However, I do not see this forum's conversation creating any kind of punch line for Saturday Night Live.

[Jmo77011]

Originally Posted by Pineedles

... I know this is an area where controversial topics can be discussed but this discussion may be on national news. Let's just let it die a natural death and not let the flatlanders be entertained by us.

It made the news here in DFW. So did the Gilford school board meeting.

[MeredithMan]

....video clip from last week's town meeting....it is out on CNN.com today if this link doesn't work....



http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...slur.wmur.html

[Woodsy]

I am probably going to get flamed for this but it needs to be said...

Where is Archie Bunker when you need him???

"Well, I was just trying to make a point, and that is that it's the suppression of the word that gives it the power, the violence, the viciousness" - Lenny Bruce

IMHO it is ok to offend and BE offended in America! When someone spouts off saying something that may offend you, giving them the knowledge that you were offended only empowers them. This should have died a nice quiet death. Instead its become a media circus because it sells advertising.

PBF.... you used the word "nuts" in a derogatory way to describe someone's mental state. Years ago it might have been the words "gay" or "retard" or "moron". Eventually the word "nuts" will go the way of previous words and shall not be uttered unless we are discussing almonds or cashews.

The African American Hip Hop culture (note the use of politically correct terms) routinely uses that very same "N" word in a derogatory fashion and sells millions of $$$ and is heard by millions of people. Where is the public outcry? Some 82 year old man in a small white town in NH uses the "N" word and the whole world comes down on him?? Please! Who cares? Its all about media hype. I don't condone the use of that word, but its a just a word. If he wants to use and utter that word or any word no matter how offensive, that is his right under the 1st Amendment under the Constitution of the United States of America.... last I checked, Wolfeboro was part of the United States. If the people of Wolfeboro don't like the job he is doing or what he said, then don't re-elect him. If there is a recall procedure, then follow it and remove him from office.

Woodsy

[tis]

I have to agree with you Woodsy, it is way overblown. A little old nobody and it is such a big deal…..

[Islander2]

http://www.wmur.com/news/wolfeboro-p...-slur/26055940

[Rusty]

I wish Mr. Copeland would have given some reasons why he doesn't like President Obama. He said it was political... so just what is it that our fine President has done wrong?

[GTO]

Originally Posted by Islander2

http://www.wmur.com/news/wolfeboro-p...-slur/26055940

just read that on WMUR also. Move along everyone, nothing more here to see. Summers here and we just ousted the last bigot here in NH. Lets get out on our boats and forget about the politically correct world we live in. Enjoy

[Overlake97]

Here's the link:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...lur/?hpt=hp_t1


Five minute later update: Oops; I just noticed that MeredithMan beat me to it (posting the CNN link)!

[mcdude]

What I heard on the news which kind of surprised me (if it's really true) was that people were cancelling their Wolfeboro vacation bookings due to this elected official's bigotry. I'm sure that brought some increased pressure to resolve the issue. Hit 'em where it hurts....right in the pocketbook.

[tis]

Originally Posted by HomeWood

I live down south. That word is used so often by a certain segment of the population here, I do not even hear it anymore. It's like hearing the word like. It is used out of anger and embrace. It is very confusing! I wish I had a dollar for every time I was called a racial slur here or when my skin color was the basis of an insult. I could have moved back home to New England by now but I've got a little ways to go for that.

Oh yes, you are right! It is used affectionately-by women. We whites seem to think it is always used in a bad way and that just isn't true.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

There should be no argument that Mr. Copeland has every right to say what he wants; however, he should also realize that he must accept responsibility for what he says, which he apparently has. What he doesn't seem to understand is that as an ELECTED town official his statements are magnified many times over and reflect adversely on the people and town of Wolfeboro.

Let's hear it from the voters of Wolfeboro who must bear a lot of the blame for electing such a person. Especially Wolfeboro people who neglected to register to vote and those registered voters who did not vote.

It's your town and you are responsible for who you elect.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

Great point. As I said before, we are talking about a specific word that NEVER has a justification to be used. The word I used, nut, refers to my opinion of his mental status, not a derogatory term to describe a race of people. Had he called Obama almost any other word, there would be no discussion or call for resignation.

If Copeland had added "Benghazi", nothing would've made the news.

[Rusty]

I was at the Clark Plaza in Wolfeboro today and Mr. Copeland was standing outside of a Katie’s Kitchen talking to a young African American. He called her by her first name and said: “HI, I haven’t seen you for a while”. She said Hi back and they had a little conversation and both got alone very well. He seemed like a very nice gentleman and also talked to a few other people. If I didn’t know that he got in trouble with what he said at the restaurant, I would say he was a polite and easy going person.
However he was very loud when he talked and that could be a sign that he is hard of hearing.

I still believe that he dislikes the President because of political reasons and is not a raciest in the true meaning of the word.

Having said that, it is in the best interest of Wolfeboro that he did step down so that this little town can get back to enjoying what it has to offer.

[tis]

Rusty, the more I hear about this, the more I agree with you. It is a political thing, not a racial thing. He dislikes the President for his politics not for his color. I also think that those who like the President are the ones who shouted the loudest about this.

The other thing that is interesting as you read what people (that are not from around here) write, is that they seem to think police commissioner is a big job because they say things like they hope he doesn't get pay or hope he doesn't get his retirement. WHAT? Retirement? It is practically a volunteer position. They can hardly get someone to run for it. People certainly aren't beating down the doors to become a police commissioner in Wolfeboro. Or any other elected office for that matter. Most of the positions this spring were unopposed.

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by tis

Rusty, the more I hear about this, the more I agree with you. It is a political thing, not a racial thing. He dislikes the President for his politics not for his color. I also think that those who like the President are the ones who shouted the loudest about this.

The other thing that is interesting as you read what people (that are not from around here) write, is that they seem to think police commissioner is a big job because they say things like they hope he doesn't get pay or hope he doesn't get his retirement. WHAT? Retirement? It is practically a volunteer position. They can hardly get someone to run for it. People certainly aren't beating down the doors to become a police commissioner in Wolfeboro. Or any other elected office for that matter. Most of the positions this spring were unopposed.

tis,
I am as liberal as any liberal can be and I think that Mr. Copeland is a good person even though he made one HUGE mistake.
I've probably got myself in trouble here for talking too much politics but I think a very good persons reputation has been ruined because one person got offended by what she heard in a private conversation.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Rusty

tis,
I am as liberal as any liberal can be and I think that Mr. Copeland is a good person even though he made one HUGE mistake.
I've probably got myself in trouble here for talking too much politics but I think a very good persons reputation has been ruined because one person got offended by what she heard in a private conversation.

I think you said it very well. I don't think he is a mean person.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by ApS

If Copeland had added "Benghazi", nothing would've made the news.

....oh yeah......duh...... I can remember that old Ben Ghazi ..... i.e. Ben Casey for the uninformed.....tv show from the 1960's.....Ben was a medical doctor in a hospital somewhere or something? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Casey ....

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

....oh yeah......duh...... I can remember that old Ben Ghazi ..... i.e. Ben Casey for the uninformed.....tv show from the 1960's.....Ben was a medical doctor in a hospital somewhere or something? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Casey ....

You are a genius. I would have never figured that out.

[christo1]

Originally Posted by PaugusBayFireFighter

Political, no. I could care less about one's political view.

Phil Robertson is a religious nut.

Anyone is free to believe whatever they want, so I am free to say that Phil Robertson is a religious nut. His own words prove that.

Let's keep it lake related, he's a loon.

I think it is ironic that in a thread about someone using a terrible name to describe someone thay disagree with . That you would be name calling someone you disagree with , just thought it was funny.

On the religous nut thing , I think this country would be in a better place with a little more religion in it .

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Originally Posted by christo1

I think it is ironic that in a thread about someone using a terrible name to describe someone thay disagree with . That you would be name calling someone you disagree with , just thought it was funny.

On the religous nut thing , I think this country would be in a better place with a little more religion in it .

If you believe that name calling someone a "nut" is equal to the insult Copeland used then I am guilty as charged.