How Big Can You Go?

codeman671 · 07-24-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Pontoon Goon

Mr. Howell,
I for one wish you and your wife Lovey nothing but the best. After all the Motor Ship Mt. Washington is on the lake so we know it's not impossible. (you may have to go with a 60 footer, cut it in the middle and add 20). Unlike your ocean experience the longest trip on this lake would be approximately a 3 Hr. tour.

Except for the fact that the Mount has specific routes and docks at a commercial wharf, not a marina...When was the last time you saw the Mount in Paugus Bay?

AC2717 · 07-24-2013, 11:05 AM

last time I checked, it is the USA
if the guys wants to put a boat on the lake with no restrictions and can afford it and what else might come with it then so be it!
Not our position to judge

Lakesrider · 07-24-2013, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AC2717

last time I checked, it is the USA
if the guys wants to put a boat on the lake with no restrictions and can afford it and what else might come with it then so be it!
Not our position to judge

You are correcct. Then might as well go for one of these then....

Or build your own....

I would think this one could take a pounding....

RailroadJoe · 07-24-2013, 12:44 PM

If you are interested in staying more then one year and putting a nice 80' plus boat in the lake, think this way. Find a nice small lot on the lake. Buy it and then put in a 100' dock with electricity running to it. This way once the boat is in the water you can run the paddles in the winter to keep it from freezeing. The same way the Mount and the mail boats do. Also, if you like, you could even spend a winter week-end in it.

Then when you decide to move on, you can sell the lot.

Lakesrider · 07-24-2013, 12:58 PM

Can you even put in a 100' Dock. I would think there are limits for private individuals for dock length. Plus I would think the engineering for something like a 100' dock and the tonnage/stresses that the boat would create on the dock would fairly pricey..

LIforrelaxin · 07-24-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakesrider

Can you even put in a 100' Dock. I would think there are limits for private individuals for dock length. Plus I would think the engineering for something like a 100' dock and the tonnage/stresses that the boat would create on the dock would fairly pricey..

Correct the max no argument length on a permanent dock is 30'
and 40' for a seasonal dock....

Now through the permitting process and throwing a few $$$ around you can probably get those extended....

But aside from that....

Weather this guy is serious or not... we have feed him the information he needs...

The bottom line: Currently the lake is not set up to handle a private vessel this size....IT doesn't mean some marina will not try and accommodate the need... all it takes is $$$$....

If he can handle the logistics to get it all accomplished, then I will give him credit for his efforts... but I will not hold my breath..... on the other side, I am also not going to call him a troll, because he hasn't really been stirring the pot, he just asked a question and has taken part in the discussion....

Pontoon Goon · 07-24-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

Except for the fact that the Mount has specific routes and docks at a commercial wharf, not a marina...When was the last time you saw the Mount in Paugus Bay?

When it was launched.

codeman671 · 07-24-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pontoon Goon

When it was launched.

It is my understanding that it was not hauled here whole...Its 230 feet long!

From what I have read it was built elsewhere, cut into pieces and hauled here by rail where it was assembled in Lakeport.

Pontoon Goon · 07-24-2013, 02:03 PM

Codeman that is my understanding as well which means it was actually in Paugus Bay once. Also it may be just urban legend but I read that it missed getting under the bridge by mere inches so they stopped and allowed hundreds of spectators that had lined the banks to board ship until they had sufficient weight to make it .

NoBozo · 07-24-2013, 02:29 PM

The current Mount Washington was launched in Lake Champlain in 1888 as the Chateaugay. She was purchased in April 1940 for $20,000 and was cut up into 20 sections and shipped by rail the 150 miles from Burlington to Lakeport where she was reassembled.

At that time, the owner installed steam engines (twin screw) taken from the Steam Yacht Crescent III for a further cost of $25,000.

The new Mount Washington II was launched on August 12, 1940. In addition to taking on passengers at the bridge, for ballast, they also pumped water into the hull for two and a half hours to bring her down two feet in the water. NB

Ref: Info taken from "Follow The Mount" by Bruce D. Heald

Wolfeboro_Baja · 07-24-2013, 03:25 PM

To the best of my knowledge, the sister ship to the Chateaugay, n/k/a Mt. Washington, is at the Shelburne Museum in Shelburne Vt, just down the road from Burlington VT. It would appear there are some similarities between the two vessels.....

Here's a link: http://shelburnemuseum.org/collectio...t-ticonderoga/

ursa minor · 07-25-2013, 04:02 PM

I'm not saying that I think the idea of an 80 foot yacht on the lake is a good idea, however as far as the launching / removal question is concerned a commercial crane and rigging contractor could certainly handle that portion of the work. Not inexpensive and somewhat challenging logistically but very possible. All those contractor barges had to get launched somehow. I seem to remember seeing some pictures of a crane lifting the Kitty Belle out for hull repairs at Fay's a couple of years ago. Nothing is impossible, it just takes more time and money!

ITD · 07-25-2013, 06:28 PM

I think getting a Hatteras 80 here would be a problem, pretty sure it is a fiberglass boat, so cutting it up and reassembling is a problem. Max width on a train is about 10' 8" and a max height of 20' 2 in some cases. I think the OP should commission a boat, maybe the Mount company would allow use of their drydock.

07-24-2013, 11:05 AM	#2
AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,577 Thanks: 755 Thanked 355 Times in 267 Posts	last time I checked, it is the USA if the guys wants to put a boat on the lake with no restrictions and can afford it and what else might come with it then so be it! Not our position to judge __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

07-24-2013, 12:44 PM	#4
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	One good way to go. If you are interested in staying more then one year and putting a nice 80' plus boat in the lake, think this way. Find a nice small lot on the lake. Buy it and then put in a 100' dock with electricity running to it. This way once the boat is in the water you can run the paddles in the winter to keep it from freezeing. The same way the Mount and the mail boats do. Also, if you like, you could even spend a winter week-end in it. Then when you decide to move on, you can sell the lot.

07-24-2013, 03:25 PM	#11
Wolfeboro_Baja Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hopkinton NH Posts: 395 Thanks: 88 Thanked 80 Times in 46 Posts	To the best of my knowledge, the sister ship to the Chateaugay, n/k/a Mt. Washington, is at the Shelburne Museum in Shelburne Vt, just down the road from Burlington VT. It would appear there are some similarities between the two vessels..... Here's a link: http://shelburnemuseum.org/collectio...t-ticonderoga/ __________________ Cancer SUCKS!

07-25-2013, 04:02 PM	#12
ursa minor Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tuftonborough & Franklin MA Posts: 265 Thanks: 99 Thanked 143 Times in 64 Posts	I'm not saying that I think the idea of an 80 foot yacht on the lake is a good idea, however as far as the launching / removal question is concerned a commercial crane and rigging contractor could certainly handle that portion of the work. Not inexpensive and somewhat challenging logistically but very possible. All those contractor barges had to get launched somehow. I seem to remember seeing some pictures of a crane lifting the Kitty Belle out for hull repairs at Fay's a couple of years ago. Nothing is impossible, it just takes more time and money! __________________ " Any day with a boat ride in it is a good day"

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07-24-2013, 12:58 PM	#5
Lakesrider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 380 Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts	Can you even put in a 100' Dock. I would think there are limits for private individuals for dock length. Plus I would think the engineering for something like a 100' dock and the tonnage/stresses that the boat would create on the dock would fairly pricey..

07-24-2013, 02:03 PM	#9
Pontoon Goon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stoneham Ma./ Meredith Posts: 141 Thanks: 339 Thanked 67 Times in 27 Posts	Codeman that is my understanding as well which means it was actually in Paugus Bay once. Also it may be just urban legend but I read that it missed getting under the bridge by mere inches so they stopped and allowed hundreds of spectators that had lined the banks to board ship until they had sufficient weight to make it .

07-24-2013, 02:29 PM	#10
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	The current Mount Washington was launched in Lake Champlain in 1888 as the Chateaugay. She was purchased in April 1940 for $20,000 and was cut up into 20 sections and shipped by rail the 150 miles from Burlington to Lakeport where she was reassembled. At that time, the owner installed steam engines (twin screw) taken from the Steam Yacht Crescent III for a further cost of $25,000. The new Mount Washington II was launched on August 12, 1940. In addition to taking on passengers at the bridge, for ballast, they also pumped water into the hull for two and a half hours to bring her down two feet in the water. NB Ref: Info taken from "Follow The Mount" by Bruce D. Heald

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07-25-2013, 06:28 PM	#13
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,931 Thanks: 478 Thanked 693 Times in 388 Posts	I think getting a Hatteras 80 here would be a problem, pretty sure it is a fiberglass boat, so cutting it up and reassembling is a problem. Max width on a train is about 10' 8" and a max height of 20' 2 in some cases. I think the OP should commission a boat, maybe the Mount company would allow use of their drydock.