100 MPH Through No Wake Zone?

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Belmont Resident

These is exactly why ALL boating violations should be handled the same way as driving violations and go against ones driving record.
You get one warning so no one can say they were unaware, and then the points go against your license.
There are way too many boaters who have enough money that they can keep repeating their offences, paying the fine and moving on with no accountability for their actions.
If boating violations racked up points on your driving record then it would hit repeat offenders where it hurts. This could translate to increased insurance rates across the board for all their toys as well as possible loss of license.

I do believe with the recently passed law the infraction do go on ones driving record.... However two comments on this.... If you are not a NH licensed driver I am not sure how this will transfer back to your home state... And I wonder how this will hold up if someone ends up with enough boating infractions to lose their privilege to drive an automobile in NH....

[BroadHopper]

A number of high performance boat owners are LEOs and Firefighters. They appreciate their overtime and detail work.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I do believe with the recently passed law the infraction do go on ones driving record.... However two comments on this.... If you are not a NH licensed driver I am not sure how this will transfer back to your home state... And I wonder how this will hold up if someone ends up with enough boating infractions to lose their privilege to drive an automobile in NH....

In Mass you can schedule a hearing with the surcharge board and get it squashed.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by pm203

True. But, that's on the road. The lake and lake violations are a different story.

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Originally Posted by pm203

In Mass you can schedule a hearing with the surcharge board and get it squashed.

Awwww...

Your advice arrived too late for this guy.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

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Awwww...

Your advice arrived too late for this guy.

What are you talking about?

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

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Awwww...

Your advice arrived too late for this guy.

What does that have to do with NH and Lake Winnipesaukee? The accident that the article speaks of was in Maine.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

What does that have to do with NH and Lake Winnipesaukee? The accident that the article speaks of was in Maine.

It was "the usual suspect" from "a bordering state".

He didn't have 22 violations—he had 22 convictions. Did that add some years during conviction?

He neglected to use all possible efforts to "squash" some of those convictions.

Or, quite possibly, just didn't care.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

It was "the usual suspect" from "a bordering state".

He didn't have 22 violations—he had 22 convictions. Did that add some years during conviction?

He neglected to use all possible efforts to "squash" some of those convictions.

Or, quite possibly, just didn't care.

Again, what does it have to do with Lake Winnipesaukee? The guy was from Mass, and he was on a lake in Maine.

And the 22 convictions you speak of...they were for speeding. On roads.

So are you trying to correlate the 2 events? Meaning that:
a) because the guy has been convicted of speeding in a vehicle (not a boat)
b) he caused an accident because he was drunk
c) he is from Mass, but boating in Maine

And this equals a person going 100 MPH through a NWZ on Lake Winni?

[NHBUOY]

...ttt...What is the rest of the story on this.?..Was the owner & boat identified & properly flogged.?..... ...Just out of curiosity, how long has that area been a NWZ.?..

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Again, what does it have to do with Lake Winnipesaukee? The guy was from Mass, and he was on a lake in Maine.

From MA, he had to trailer his boat 40 miles further than Lake Winnipesaukee...Was he avoiding Winnipesaukee, because he had the "switchable-exhaust"—formerly illegal in New Hampshire?

Originally Posted by chipj29

And this equals a person going 100 MPH through a NWZ on Lake Winni?

Question: Their speed difference?

Answer: Not much...

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

From MA, he had to trailer his boat 40 miles further than Lake Winnipesaukee...Was he avoiding Winnipesaukee, because he had the "switchable-exhaust"—formerly illegal in New Hampshire?


Question: Their speed difference?

Answer: Not much...

Project much? Maybe they could post you at the border and you can stop anyone you "feel" "might" cause a problem? The guy had multiple convictions for reckless behavior on the roadways, PO'd the judge by his attitude in court, and probably is just a scumbag in general.

There's a huge gap between your desire to return the lake to where it was 30,000 years ago, and today. In this thread, a boat was going at tremendous speeds through a NWZ. Pretty easy to ascertain that a speed limit was in force.

I was pretty harsh in stating my treatment of the offender. Most of the SL supporters were far less harsh. Look at BI's statements.

APS, would you even post in this thread if it had been a 20' bowrider doing 50?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

APS, would you even post in this thread if it had been a 20' bowrider doing 50?

I would, if clueless of Physics.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

Project much? Maybe they could post you at the border and you can stop anyone you "feel" "might" cause a problem? The guy had multiple convictions for reckless behavior on the roadways, PO'd the judge by his attitude in court, and probably is just a scumbag in general.

My projection comes easy—I was once a teenager!

[VtSteve]

As usual, your response makes no sense. You must spend a lot of time coming up with riddles for responses where you realy can't possibly just straight out launch an opinion. Heaven forbid you'd have to divert your attention to a boat that wasn't on your most wanted list. Perhaps one day, when you're all grown up, you too can become a friendly boater.

I could be wrong, but I don't think either driver of the boats you mention are teenagers. Although I never did find out who the 100mph boat was being driven by.

So Physics matter most as to whether you'd respond to this thread or not? Interesting indeed. So nobody has to worry about smaller boats speeding, drunk drivers or not?

Given a statement you made about a tragic accident off the coast in Mass, where you misstated the facts of the accident, I guess I'm not surprised. You have no idea how to respond directly to people in an adult manner. I have ridiculed the 100 mph NWZ incident as being outrageous behavior, and the jerk with multiple convictions from Mass than ran over another boat I had some more punishment to dole out for him as well.

For every jerk like the one that caused the tragedy in Maine, there's probably 40 more that did the same sort of thing elsewhere in a smaller boat, perhaps a very quiet one as well? Do you really think a jerk with 22 convictions and moving violations would detour because his sound device might be against the law?

I was saddened to read that two people died when their 35' sailboat capsized in a Michigan race. The skipper had 44 years of sailing experience.

I find this quote from his sister to be a very loving one. Do you know why I picked this quote?

"We were born on sailboats," sister Linda Morley said. "And I guess in Mark's case, he died on a sailboat."

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110719/...#ixzz1Sa2AaXlW

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I was saddened to read that two people died when their 35' sailboat capsized in a Michigan race. The skipper had 44 years of sailing experience.[/B]

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110719/...#ixzz1Sa2AaXlW

This story is tragic, but it's not suprising to me. Check out the link below. Read the Specs. The KIWI 35 is a 35 foot 2800 pound boat. It's just a sailing canoe with outrigged platforms for the "Live Ballast"..the crew, to keep the boat upright under sail. It's a VERY light weight 35' daysailer with a very narrow waterline beam. This is not a family cruising boat. It's not a boat you want to be out in 50 knot winds. No matter how skillful the crew, this boat is really not designed to take big winds..Particularly GUSTY wind.

In my opinion, the crew did everything right. But sails OFF or not, that boat was going over. A typical 35' sailboat on the lake probably weighs over 15,000 pounds. NB

http://www.sailingtexas.com/skiwi35a.html

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I was saddened to read that two people died when their 35' sailboat capsized in a Michigan race. The skipper had 44 years of sailing experience.

That race caused a pair of catamaran sailors to invert from a microburst two years earlier. They survived inside one hull just fine, but rescue came too late and hypothermia claimed their lives.

Lake Winnipesaukee's "summer tub-water" can't be compared to the Great Lakes' extremely cold water—year-round.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I find this quote from his sister to be a very loving one.

"We were born on sailboats," sister Linda Morley said. "And I guess in Mark's case, he died on a sailboat."

Do you know why I picked this quote?

Because you have more sycophants here—than at the Wolfeboro website where my "Team-GFBL" quote first appeared?

[VtSteve]

The point being APS, in both of the accidents, off the Coast of Mass, and the Michigan race, the skippers died doing what they loved to do. Both had decades of experience. You choose only to pick on the powerboat accident, where the boat broke apart. He didn't hit any jetty, that was a drunken boater in another crash.

It was said by some very astute dude that to say someone died doing what they loved to do was silly. (I won't use the actual term, which is pretty demeaning).


Point is, both are sad to read about, but their lives were filled with joy doing what they loved to do. They apparently had many friends and family members that will miss them dearly.

I had no charges or false accusations to make, I merely pointed out two tragedies. You could occasionally try to act like a human every now and again.

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I would, if clueless of Physics.

Your screen name proves that you are totally clueless not only about basic physics but high school level science as well.

acres per second? Please don't get me started. Its meaning is totally incongruous with any concept of basic physics.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Yankee

Your screen name proves that you are totally clueless not only about basic physics but high school level science as well.

acres per second? Please don't get me started. Its meaning is totally incongruous with any concept of basic physics.

The concept is nonetheless valid.

Among other things, it was used to describe the irresponsibility of oversized boats racing side-by-side at high speeds—under New Hampshire's "Unsafe Passage" RSA.

Someone else presented that concept to the Transportation Committee at hearings; surely, it had an effect on those who could conceptualize it.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

You choose only to pick on the powerboat accident, where the boat broke apart. He didn't hit any jetty, that was a drunken boater in another crash.

1) This past weekend, there were two fatal crashes reported near Boston Harbor—both were powerboats—but I do stand corrected.

The boat that hit the jetty stayed together: it was the Magnum that broke apart and sank—after the fatal GFBL thrill of "getting-air". On this forum, we've seen it termed "dancing".

[SIZE="1"](Whatever "floats your boat"—so to speak)...

2) That other thread's link has received an update.

[fatlazyless]

an update[/URL]....please rebuild this link because it does not work!

[ApS]

Thank you for using the links I supply.

Rather than risk the same problem again, try the subject thread and its link—which has always worked for me.

http://winnipesaukee.com/forums/show...0&postcount=25

[HUH]

Still bumping this one along I see

[bilproject]

I'm a few houses down from the mail dock and my wife and I were sitting on the dock when he went through. He knew the lake as he took the westerly path through so his turn was not too sharp. From my dock to the red top bouy off dolly is 1.1 miles by gps. He covered that distance in about 30 seconds. We found this to be a road runner moment especially after the MP boat came around the corner almost a minute later.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by bilproject

I'm a few houses down from the mail dock and my wife and I were sitting on the dock when he went through. He knew the lake as he took the westerly path through so his turn was not too sharp. From my dock to the red top bouy off dolly is 1.1 miles by gps. He covered that distance in about 30 seconds. We found this to be a road runner moment especially after the MP boat came around the corner almost a minute later.

If your time estimate was correct then he did 1.1 miles in 30 seconds, that calculates to 133 MPH. In any event he was moving.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by bilproject

I'm a few houses down from the mail dock and my wife and I were sitting on the dock when he went through. He knew the lake as he took the westerly path through so his turn was not too sharp. From my dock to the red top bouy off dolly is 1.1 miles by gps. He covered that distance in about 30 seconds. We found this to be a road runner moment especially after the MP boat came around the corner almost a minute later.

It's a pretty rare Cig indeed that can go that fast. But it doesn't matter. As BI has stated in the past, many go through that NWZ at planing speeds. Anything above headway speed is an infraction, speeds at planing speed are worse, anything at WOT which is more than 40 or so is egregious violations. I don;t mean that as a legal definition, just an expression of horror. At 70 mph and up in a NWZ, he should be arrested and taken to jail.

[Hermit Cover]

The Lake Winni Dragstrip for the "Needers for Speeders" has been moved to off- shore Miami, Florida....no speed limits and Florida doesn't require helmets. And...those boats can operate with impunity 365!!

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

At 70 mph and up in a NWZ, he should be arrested and taken to jail.

A bit harsh, considering the way NWZ's are created on a whim these days. Someone going 70 through the Barber's pole on a nice Tuesday in October, with no boats around, is not a problem and should be left alone. Doing the same through a crowd is a different issue.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

A bit harsh, considering the way NWZ's are created on a whim these days. Someone going 70 through the Barber's pole on a nice Tuesday in October, with no boats around, is not a problem and should be left alone. Doing the same through a crowd is a different issue.

I don't think NWZ's are created on a whim these days. The lake is far more crowded than in years past and many more of the boats are capable of high speeds. And it shouldn't be left to the individual offender as to when and by how much to interpret what is safe and proper. Imagine if we did this on our roads. Its OK to go through downtown Wolfeboro at 50 MPH if its 2 AM but you must do 45 if the roads are wet but 55 is OK if you have a low riding Porsche(60 OK if you have extra wide tires and heavy duty breaks)....WAY too confusing.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

A bit harsh, considering the way NWZ's are created on a whim these days. Someone going 70 through the Barber's pole on a nice Tuesday in October, with no boats around, is not a problem and should be left alone. Doing the same through a crowd is a different issue.

Do you drive through a red light if there are no other cars on the road?

You are responsible for obeying the law ALL the time. Not just when think it's appropriate.

Sometimes a NWZ is really about the wake, like in the weirs channel. Is it ok to go through there full speed in October? You can't leave it up to the operator to decide when he should obey the rules.

[Yankee]

YAWN, 'sigh', I need more popcorn...

[RailroadJoe]

YANKEE

That just about sums up the USA problem.

[HUH]

This thread really got me rolling on the floor.. Speed boats.. near Bear Island???
Say it aint so My favorite is the speed boats make big wakes theory...LOL FAIL!

[pwdcrownies]

Smok'em if ya got um. Haven't we all wanted to break the rules just once, maybe twice?

[pm203]

And, you must have to admit, it must have been pretty cool to witness.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by pm203

And, you must have to admit, it must have been pretty cool to witness.

While I understand the excitement aspect to it. (hence why people watch high speed chases on TV etc. and I for one wouldn't have turned my head) - and not directed at you PM203 or anyone else for that matter..........

But if my son was paddle boating through the NWZ there and this guy blew through it, I for one would have wanted to shoot out his engines. This was a blatent disregard for public safety and could have gone from exciting to tragic.

Now luckily that didn't happen and we can discuss this as an issue rather then an accident, but what we need to do is learn from this.

It isn't a matter of the class of boat that was being driven it was the driver. There has to be penalties that keep drivers like this from returning to the lake not the type of boat. The MP need to have the rights and penalties the Coast Guard has. (don't quote me but I believe if you try to out run the coast guard the fines are in the thousands of dollars - 15K comes to my mind - not to mention you may get a 50 cal. through your block) So my guess is if these were the same regulations for the MP that the CG have many people would be less likely to try a stunt like this. This shouldn't just apply to outrunning the MP but all MP regulations should mirror the CG. IMHO

[Kracken]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

While I understand the excitement aspect to it. (hence why people watch high speed chases on TV etc. and I for one wouldn't have turned my head) - and not directed at you PM203 or anyone else for that matter..........

But if my son was paddle boating through the NWZ there and this guy blew through it, I for one would have wanted to shoot out his engines. This was a blatent disregard for public safety and could have gone from exciting to tragic.

Now luckily that didn't happen and we can discuss this as an issue rather then an accident, but what we need to do is learn from this.

It isn't a matter of the class of boat that was being driven it was the driver. There has to be penalties that keep drivers like this from returning to the lake not the type of boat. The MP need to have the rights and penalties the Coast Guard has. (don't quote me but I believe if you try to out run the coast guard the fines are in the thousands of dollars - 15K comes to my mind - not to mention you may get a 50 cal. through your block) So my guess is if these were the same regulations for the MP that the CG have many people would be less likely to try a stunt like this. This shouldn't just apply to outrunning the MP but all MP regulations should mirror the CG. IMHO

I would be fine with giving the MP all the authority of the Coast Guard right up to 50 cal. The thought of NHMP with 50 caliber guns mounted on the bow of their McRibbs scares the crap out of me.