SBONH versus WINNFABS

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

Bringing the PM message into the forum for everyone else to see kind of reminds me of when my 6 & 7 year old boys get into an arguement and one says "I'm telling dad what you said!"

As does sending such an immature PM in the first place.

Originally Posted by NoRegrets

PM is PM and should not be posted in any way shape or form!

Unless of course the recipient has requested the sender to stop sending PM's or the sender speaks to the forum about his unassailable character.

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

you now seem to be back to your attempts to discredit and derail the current assn of folks working hard to try and improve our lake.

No, not really. Certain members like V.B. seem quite capable of discrediting themselves and by association the organizations they represent. Go back and read the first post of the thread that prompted V.B's rude PM and you may better understand how people on this forum with differing views have been ridiculed to such an extent that they no longer post.

[BroadHopper]

I pretty much tried to stay on topic or chime in without aiming directly to SL supporters. In the beginning I was bad until I find out I am just wasting my time. I'm just adding fuel to the fire.

I was a member of Winnfabs in the beginning as I don't have a fast boat. After a few private meetings, I realize the agenda is not about safety but about raising the values of their properties. Lake George property values went up after they posted the speed limit. They were talking years ago about limiting size of boats and horsepower. The argument there is that they can claim Winnipesaukee as a water resevoir. Surrounding towns get their drinking water from the lake.

When they started soliciting folks signatures at supermarkets around NH. Not in the Lakes Region, and claiming the people of NH wants a speed limit. That really burns me. These are folks that have no clue how big the lake is or even visit the lake. I change my mind.

As for supporters saying they had bad PMs from opponents. I can tell you I was called a murderer by one supporter. Just because I said I can comfortably barefoot ski at 50 mph and I am teaching my children and grandchildren the sport. One called my a murderer to teach my siblings to barefoot ski! I am practicing and teaching my siblings on Lake Winnisquam. Thank you!

I have repeatedly remind the supporters to respect the Hartmann's and Beaudoin's wishes that they are not to be part of the SL debate. Mrs Hartmann expressly told me and I am a family member of the Beaudoins. Yet the supporters still use these cases as a ground for the SL.

I even saw one Winnfabs official leave the Meredith docks without properly ventilating the bilge before startup and proceed at above wake speed!

I'm done. There is no justice.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by NoRegrets

PM is PM and should not be posted in any way shape or form!

Yup, I'm in full agreement!

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Unless of course the recipient has requested the sender to stop sending PM's or the sender speaks to the forum about his unassailable character.

I respectfully disagree, problems with PM's should be addressed with the sender or the site admin, not the masses, thats just dirty laundry most dont want to see.

I am happy to see you folks exchange any kind of reasonable banter about ANY subject you are so inclined to address, no problems here. But the posting of PM's is just not what I want to read on a public forum,,,

I see no reason for exceptions on this one now or in the future, nor do I care to see how others have done it in the past. I say no one needs to be posting their PM's, NO ONE!

Well thats one persons opinion,,,

[Bear Islander]

I would like to clear up one misconception. WinnFABS was created for just one purpose. That sole purpose was speed limit legislation. There was no second agenda. Volunteers and funds were solicited for that reason alone. Anyone who thought differently was not reading WinnFABS literature. Go to the website now and you will find that the organizations purpose, was and is, just that simple.

[classic22]

guess they should have called it winnfafsl...
winnipesaukee family alliance for speed limits

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

As does sending such an immature PM in the first place.



Unless of course the recipient has requested the sender to stop sending PM's or the sender speaks to the forum about his unassailable character.



No, not really. Certain members like V.B. seem quite capable of discrediting themselves and by association the organizations they represent. Go back and read the first post of the thread that prompted V.B's rude PM and you may better understand how people on this forum with differing views have been ridiculed to such an extent that they no longer post.

Congratulations!! You have just graduated to my ignore list!!

One last thing: PM is an acronym for Personal Message. This is rhetorical question as I will no longer will longer be reading your posts, but for the benefit of the rest of the members who choose to continue to, just what part of the word "Personal" do you not understand?

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

As does sending such an immature PM in the first place.

Once again SOTD, IMHO PM's should be handled as PM's, period. Please keep your PM's to yourself. Thank you.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Once again SOTD, IMHO PM's should be handled as PM's, period. Please keep your PM's to yourself. Thank you.

No problem (unless sender continues to PM after requests to stop or said posts are inappropriate and disturbing). By the way, I'm sure, in light of post #32 in this thread, that you might understand how such a PM might be disturbing to my family.

[NoRegrets]

There seems to be another game going on here. "How many threads can I get locked?".

BI - Thanks for the clarification on the singular objective. I am totally impressed with your contributions and perspectives on your posting.

Skip - you are right in your first post in this thread.

OCD - You rock as well as the many others that post in a very upfront perspective.

Those that split hairs and end up being egged on into the bantering with a very few of the forum members - take a look at the quality of the bitterness that is exuded in the thread before our referee (WebMaster) is forced to take action. Is it worth the interaction? Each response becomes more immature and insulting to common sense. There will never be remorse or possible constructive dialog with certain posters. I am not the judge but I can only think of 2 that have caused many locked threads. Try to take a deep breath, count to 10, or mix a favorite cocktail before hitting enter. I know how hard it is to ignore the immature inuendoes but if eliminate our participation in the "close the thread" game we may achieve Skip's (and others) pain points.

Back to cocktails. What do people like to serve on the water?

[DEJ]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

No problem (unless sender continues to PM after requests to stop or said posts are inappropriate and disturbing). By the way, I'm sure, in light of post #32 in this thread, that you might understand how such a PM might be disturbing to my family.

I understand and ask that you keep your PM's between you and anyone else private, that is all. Thanks.

[MAXUM]

Folks -let's not forget what brings us here, a common interest and love of the Lakes Region. Don has worked tirelessly for years keeping this site going and out of respect for him and fellow forum members I think it's time to wave the white flags and bury the hatchet on certain matters. It does nobody any good to post things recklessly, and serves no purpose whatsoever. Skip brings up a damn good point and I agree completely. We all should make an effort to take the time to construct civil, respectful and thought provoking posts regardless of the subject matter.

There is no question that any topic of discussion could lead to differences in opinion and as already pointed out is not necessarily a bad thing. However I think we all need to consider the INTENT of our comments before posting them. There is never any room public or private to take cheap shots at each other. We should all strive for a little dignity and class. I personally have tried to stick to these principals ever since I joined this site and I hope that what participation I have had has been appreciated by all.

We've got a great group of people here it and that is what makes this site great. Without the participants it's of no value. Something to consider when you hit that reply button.

Humbly submitted.....

MAXUM

[Misty Blue]

You are nothing but a bubblehead!

If you don't understand, than just SKIP it!

Misty Blue, MM1 SS/DV.

Do you want to visit the plant in Tamworth? PM.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

"...Humbly submitted...MAXUM..."

There is nothing to be humble about: Mink Islander, MAXUM and Skip are exactly right.

Ironically, I find the answer to both of your entreaties posted by OCDATIVE:

"...SBONH. Please lets keep the organizations out of this topic. http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...8&postcount=17

One appropriate answer can be found in the signature of Rattlesnake Gal, who writes:

"Proud member of Winni.Com"

Has the President of WinnFABS ever appeared here to "politicize" Don's pages?


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But further, the very mention of:

1) "organization" (SBONH, Winnilakers, WinnFABS, NHRBA)

2) "President" (any President—Blizzard, OCDACTIVE, Bush, Obama)

3) "safety inspections"

4) "Proud member of SBONH..."

5) "www.sb0nh.com" / www.w|nnfabs.com and,

6) "have you had your vessel inspected yet"

...are each a "stick-in-the-eye" to those of us who want to be left alone to boat peaceably on Lake Winnipesaukee.

Every mention of SBONH implies that we quiet boaters are members of an "Unsafe" boating organization, whose slogan is, "Ignorance Forever!".

It's a fact that because we peaceable boaters have vessels which don't necessarily benefit from inspections, we do not instantly become unsafe boaters—by anyone's reasonable definition.

We are not to discuss "Politics" at this forum, yet that's what all this talk about "Safety" IS!

To forum members who don't have me on "Ignore", I would appreciate all others to delete signatures with the above political overtones that are not permitted here anyway—and to at least adopt some of the philosophy found in my signature—below:

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"Don't throw stones in the home of your host".