Gassing The Geese

John A. Birdsall · 07-06-2010, 02:30 PM

Now I have heard a very nice way to get rid of geese, whether they are from canada or mexico no matter, Bring in some pigions they do not like each other and the pigions will stay, especially if you feed them peanuts.

Shreddy · 07-06-2010, 02:45 PM

Maybe we can get Dick Cheney up here to go hunting

Sue Doe-Nym · 07-06-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

Now I have heard a very nice way to get rid of geese, whether they are from canada or mexico no matter, Bring in some pigions they do not like each other and the pigions will stay, especially if you feed them peanuts.

John, your idea sounds exciting. Just think, we can have a whole new thread debating which is worse, geese or pigeon droppings! I have seen places where the pigeons have caused unbelievable problems. Perhaps Grant could tell us about pigeon droppings and Philadelphia City Hall.

Several of us in our cove use NH F&G issued noisemakers and it does get rid of the geese, temporarily. This is a poor solution since it only moves the problem to another area of the lake. Their population has exploded and as previously mentioned, they have no natural predators.

Grant is right, they need to be done away with before they destroy everything that makes Winnipesaukee special.

XCR-700 · 07-06-2010, 03:30 PM

As MAXUM said, let the hunters do it for free.

All you need to do is make it open season with no limit and you will see the problem drop off FAST!

And if you want them to be gone like right now, have the state put a bounty on them like a $1 a head and the state will dispose of the remains and it will be done faster than you can load your gun and draw a bead,,,

Its only a problem because the politicians are too busy drafting the next set on no rafting zones,,, Oh sorry, falling off topic,,,

RailroadJoe · 07-06-2010, 05:54 PM

XCR good idea, open season for all geese. Can't say it for the politicians though. Time to reduce the herd.

SAMIAM · 07-06-2010, 07:14 PM

Where is PETA when you need them.?.........poor little fuzzy gaggles of geese. They look so pretty in the water...................no one seems to be sticking up for them on this thread, including me. We have had a few visits from a flock numbering 20 or so and we couldn't even use the lawn or beach until I had removed 50 to 100 dog sized piles of doo.
As you may remember from previous posts, I use roman candles to get rid of the ducks, but geese return. I'm thinking about "varmint loads" for my 12 ga.
Harmless, but might send a message. Anyone tried them???

NoBozo · 07-06-2010, 07:14 PM

I can feel the animus toward the Canada Geese in the posts here. As an Engineer who has worked in both the Private sector and the Military sector ...maybe THIS... can be a solution to the GOOSE Problem.

It is affectionaly known in the military as the Sea Wizz. Close In Weapons System..I have personally seen this device in action and it is IMPRESSIVE. I recommend this device be mounted on an MP Vessel. As well as controlling the Geese, it can be used to Control Perpetrators on the lake who refuse to Tow The Line. Braun Bay.. Speeding.. 150 foot rule.. Illegal Swim Rafts.. etc This solution will be financed by the STIMULUS...Why NOT..?

NB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpQBZF2sZQ

Mr. V · 07-06-2010, 08:22 PM

We kill bears and other wild animals who don't conform to the norm.

Heck, we even kill our own.

Why should geese get a bye?

XCR-700 · 07-06-2010, 08:22 PM

I suspect that the shoreline protection act (or what you locals call it) has some clause that would prevent the installation of automated weapons system as they would have a negative impact on runoff causing the water to have to divert around the apparatus and thus disturbing the ecosystem,,,

Never mind the fact that the existence of humans in and of itself is a negative impact to the planet,,,

But in the name of all the ecologically wholly, we must attempt to control that which cannot be controlled and fix that which cannot really be fixed, but someone will now have a purpose in life, and some will have jobs, and all will be impacted and suffer restrictions and higher taxes and etc, etc, etc,,,,

Oh sorry, guess I ran off the rails,,,

In my next life I plan to be a creative writer (not necessarily a good one,,,)

Now back to the goose hunt,,,

I'll bet a box of Cherry Bombs good slingshot would wreak havoc on the critters,,, (damn, sure wish I could get my hands on a box of Cherry Bombs,,, LOL)

MAXUM · 07-06-2010, 10:13 PM

The sad reality is that Canada geese are federally protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

Canada geese are Federally protected by the MBTA by reason of the fact that they are listed as migratory birds in all four treaties. Regulations must meet the requirements of the most restrictive of the four, which for Canada geese is the treaty with Canada.

The Migratory Bird Treaty Act provides that it is unlawful to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, possess, sell, purchase, barter, import, export, or transport any migratory bird, or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird, unless authorized by permit. Take is defined in regulations as: pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or attempt to pursue, hunt, shoot, would, kill, trap, capture, or collect.

The primary motivation for negotiation of the 1916 treaty and the passage of the MBTA was to stop the indiscriminate slaughter of migratory birds by market hunters and others.

So provided we are discriminating in our attempts to slaughter them, it's all good

XCR-700 · 07-06-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

unless authorized by permit.

Well there we go, "they" just need to issue permits to hunters and also pay a small bounty and provide a disposal option.

Maybe someone can come up with a way to market goose to China and pay off the national debt,,,

Well it was just a thought,,,

Grant · 07-07-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MAXUM

The sad reality is that Canada geese are federally protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

Canada geese are Federally protected by the MBTA by reason of the fact that they are listed as migratory birds in all four treaties. Regulations must meet the requirements of the most restrictive of the four, which for Canada geese is the treaty with Canada.

The Migratory Bird Treaty Act provides that it is unlawful to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, possess, sell, purchase, barter, import, export, or transport any migratory bird, or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird, unless authorized by permit. Take is defined in regulations as: pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or attempt to pursue, hunt, shoot, would, kill, trap, capture, or collect.

The primary motivation for negotiation of the 1916 treaty and the passage of the MBTA was to stop the indiscriminate slaughter of migratory birds by market hunters and others.

So provided we are discriminating in our attempts to slaughter them, it's all good

I wonder if this law will ever be updated to reflect the non-migratory populations. We have hundreds of thousands of the nuisances down her in Southeastern PA, and they've been officially categorized as Non-Migratory. So they stay and eat and poop and destroy our waterways all year long. Ironic -- they remain protected, yet a growing cottage industry has sprung up around chasing them away and dissuading them from "setting up camp" in business campuses, school properties, public parks, etc. One of the more innovative approaches I've seen here lately are the placement of dog silhouettes on fields. I don't think that would work on the Lake, however.

Here's an NYT article from '06 on the use of silhouettes.

And here's a company that offers them.

It may be an option for folks with waterfront property (or schools or golf courses, etc.) that want to keep them away.

MikeF-NH · 07-07-2010, 10:14 AM

two words: swimmers itch (or duck itch if you prefer). Not only caused by ducks but all waterfowl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimmer's_itch

I'll do my part come resident goose season and again from Oct-Dec but can only take care of 2 per day.

LIforrelaxin · 07-07-2010, 11:53 AM

Swans all I have to say is swans .... and the goose problems reduces... but then of course you have a swan problem....

Geese are an issue, as Grant Mentions, they need to go away..... they will ruin things if they get over populated, just look to many of the small ponds and lakes in Ma. where they have already taken over...

RumGuy · 07-08-2010, 09:34 AM

In the past few years, I have spent a bit of time in Atlantic Canada, and I can not recall seeing ONE of those geese. I think that the Canadians have effectively rid themselves of the population by sending them to the U.S.- perhaps as retaliation for tourism. All we need to do is find out how they did it, and send the geese on their way.

tis · 07-08-2010, 03:14 PM

I understand they gassed the ones in Back Bay in Wolfeboro also.

dpg · 07-09-2010, 06:15 AM

I agree they are a pain but gassing them just seems, well...Sick...

secondcurve · 07-09-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dpg

I agree they are a pain but gassing them just seems, well...Sick...

It's actually very humane. A kid in my development shoots them in the head with a pellet gun. I think gas is the better way for them to go, but that is just one opinion.

Seeker · 07-09-2010, 11:54 AM

Here's another option I have heard works but have not seen it in person.

http://lmi-sales.com/migore.html

I think we need to find a market for goose. Maybe goose jerky? or Buffalo goose wings? Maybe pet food?

Mee-n-Mac · 07-09-2010, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Seeker

I think we need to find a market for goose. Maybe goose jerky? or Buffalo goose wings? Maybe pet food?

I'm thinking fertilizer. Somehow it seems only fair.

That or the aforementioned Navy solution ...

trfour · 07-10-2010, 01:45 AM

Aforementioned, just where would you like to be?

We could not get'long without you!... save you're canons!

Rattlesnake Guy · 07-10-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

That or the aforementioned Navy solution ...

Good thing they put the "DANGER" sticker on the side.

Greene's Basin Girl · 07-09-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by secondcurve

It's actually very humane. A kid in my development shoots them in the head with a pellet gun. I think gas is the better way for them to go, but that is just one opinion.

Shouldn't he be reported!

secondcurve · 07-11-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Green's Basin Girl

Shouldn't he be reported!

Actually, some of the dads in the development have put a $5.00 bounty on each goose. The kid has killed eight of them! He has a goal of getting 50 this summer. One of the fathers puts them in his garden for fertilizer. I'd rather see them fed to the homeless folks but at least there are a few less geese in the world.

Fargo · 07-11-2010, 08:46 PM

The goose repellent I bought at Agway doesn't seem to be working on the ducks. Haven't seen any geese but I think the fireworks on the 4th scared them away.

07-06-2010, 02:30 PM	#1
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	out with geese Now I have heard a very nice way to get rid of geese, whether they are from canada or mexico no matter, Bring in some pigions they do not like each other and the pigions will stay, especially if you feed them peanuts.

07-06-2010, 02:45 PM	#2
Shreddy Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Moultonboro Posts: 510 Thanks: 179 Thanked 219 Times in 115 Posts	Al Gore Maybe we can get Dick Cheney up here to go hunting Last edited by Shreddy; 07-06-2010 at 02:46 PM. Reason: Replaced cheney for gore...woops

07-06-2010, 07:14 PM	#7
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Ciws I can feel the animus toward the Canada Geese in the posts here. As an Engineer who has worked in both the Private sector and the Military sector ...maybe THIS... can be a solution to the GOOSE Problem. It is affectionaly known in the military as the Sea Wizz. Close In Weapons System..I have personally seen this device in action and it is IMPRESSIVE. I recommend this device be mounted on an MP Vessel. As well as controlling the Geese, it can be used to Control Perpetrators on the lake who refuse to Tow The Line. Braun Bay.. Speeding.. 150 foot rule.. Illegal Swim Rafts.. etc This solution will be financed by the STIMULUS...Why NOT..? NB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpQBZF2sZQ

07-07-2010, 11:53 AM	#14
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,875 Thanks: 1,037 Thanked 892 Times in 524 Posts	Swans all I have to say is swans .... and the goose problems reduces... but then of course you have a swan problem.... Geese are an issue, as Grant Mentions, they need to go away..... they will ruin things if they get over populated, just look to many of the small ponds and lakes in Ma. where they have already taken over... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

07-08-2010, 09:34 AM	#15
RumGuy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Cape Cod / W.Alton Posts: 76 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	geese In the past few years, I have spent a bit of time in Atlantic Canada, and I can not recall seeing ONE of those geese. I think that the Canadians have effectively rid themselves of the population by sending them to the U.S.- perhaps as retaliation for tourism. All we need to do is find out how they did it, and send the geese on their way.

07-06-2010, 03:30 PM	#4
XCR-700 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MA Posts: 1,342 Thanks: 757 Thanked 538 Times in 313 Posts	As MAXUM said, let the hunters do it for free. All you need to do is make it open season with no limit and you will see the problem drop off FAST! And if you want them to be gone like right now, have the state put a bounty on them like a $1 a head and the state will dispose of the remains and it will be done faster than you can load your gun and draw a bead,,, Its only a problem because the politicians are too busy drafting the next set on no rafting zones,,, Oh sorry, falling off topic,,,

07-06-2010, 05:54 PM	#5
RailroadJoe Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 620 Thanks: 259 Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts	XCR good idea, open season for all geese. Can't say it for the politicians though. Time to reduce the herd.

07-06-2010, 07:14 PM	#6
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,902 Thanks: 336 Thanked 1,678 Times in 587 Posts	Where is PETA when you need them.?.........poor little fuzzy gaggles of geese. They look so pretty in the water...................no one seems to be sticking up for them on this thread, including me. We have had a few visits from a flock numbering 20 or so and we couldn't even use the lawn or beach until I had removed 50 to 100 dog sized piles of doo. As you may remember from previous posts, I use roman candles to get rid of the ducks, but geese return. I'm thinking about "varmint loads" for my 12 ga. Harmless, but might send a message. Anyone tried them???

07-06-2010, 08:22 PM	#8
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,413 Thanks: 65 Thanked 259 Times in 177 Posts	We kill bears and other wild animals who don't conform to the norm. Heck, we even kill our own. Why should geese get a bye?

07-06-2010, 10:13 PM	#10
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 246 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	The sad reality is that Canada geese are federally protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Canada geese are Federally protected by the MBTA by reason of the fact that they are listed as migratory birds in all four treaties. Regulations must meet the requirements of the most restrictive of the four, which for Canada geese is the treaty with Canada. The Migratory Bird Treaty Act provides that it is unlawful to pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, possess, sell, purchase, barter, import, export, or transport any migratory bird, or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird, unless authorized by permit. Take is defined in regulations as: pursue, hunt, shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or attempt to pursue, hunt, shoot, would, kill, trap, capture, or collect. The primary motivation for negotiation of the 1916 treaty and the passage of the MBTA was to stop the indiscriminate slaughter of migratory birds by market hunters and others. So provided we are discriminating in our attempts to slaughter them, it's all good

07-07-2010, 10:14 AM	#13
MikeF-NH Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 318 Thanks: 2 Thanked 120 Times in 80 Posts	two words: swimmers itch (or duck itch if you prefer). Not only caused by ducks but all waterfowl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimmer's_itch I'll do my part come resident goose season and again from Oct-Dec but can only take care of 2 per day.

07-08-2010, 03:14 PM	#16
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	I understand they gassed the ones in Back Bay in Wolfeboro also.

07-09-2010, 06:15 AM	#17
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,597 Thanks: 153 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	I agree they are a pain but gassing them just seems, well...Sick...

07-09-2010, 11:54 AM	#19
Seeker Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Effingham Posts: 408 Thanks: 37 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Here's another option I have heard works but have not seen it in person. http://lmi-sales.com/migore.html I think we need to find a market for goose. Maybe goose jerky? or Buffalo goose wings? Maybe pet food?

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