Irritating loud boat

[sunset on the dock]

Some on this forum have trouble comprehending why and how a society makes and chooses laws. Laws come and go depending on the wants and needs or our people. As was mentioned in the past, we no longer need a law that says it's illegal to feed your slaves lobster more than 3 times in a week. There are laws on the books about neighbor's dogs barking into the night. Some on this thread would say just put in ear plugs or move. There are laws againnst dogs defecating in the park. People who use the park find this practice objectionable and want people to pick up after their dogs or walk them elsewhere. Some on this thread would say if you find dog poo objectionable then just stay away from parks. If it were just one or 2 dogs people might not notice or care.
Quite frankly the noise issue was one of the issues that helped usher in another law that those on this thread seem to dislike. Yet it was people whose reaction was similar to that displayed here, thumbing their noses at what annoyed or frightened others, who are responsible. Now we have the noise issue. Most people in NH are concerned and aware that we share limited space and do their best to be good neighbors. Others thumb their nose or chant the live free or die slogan. Excaliber mentioned the greatest generation of spoiled brats. Erica Blizzard, the former leader of your cause, seemed unconcerned about some of the above issues. From her shoplifting charge, to her outrageous boating escapade, and on to her cell phone/ 80 MPH plus I-93 incident, she seemed to think laws or other people's opinions of her behavior did not matter. I see this spoiled brat aspect in some of the noise postings here.
Again, it was noise that brought us here to present and possibly future legislation. As an example, many are distressed about noise and speeds even of 45 MPH in narrow or congested areas of the lake like Winter Harbor or Wolfeboro Bay. I can hear some of this thread's respondants already saying "tough", "live free or die", etc. but when you get enough people ticked off at the behavior of a few bad apples, that's when people want to do something about it. As far as the boat in question on Sat. night, it's the kind of annoyance where people on their docks up and down the shore make the palms up gesture of "what the heck is this". Maybe the exhaust is legal, maybe not, but when you get enough people irritated like that they will be demanding stricter decibel limits or slower speeds. That's just the way it is, was, and always will be. And be careful of BUI, because speeding (or excessive noise) could be cause to be pulled over.
So...bottom line, whether you're talking dog poo or GFBL's, police yourselves or others will do it for you.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Some on this forum have trouble comprehending why and how a society makes and chooses laws. Laws come and go depending on the wants and needs or our people. As was mentioned in the past, we no longer need a law that says it's illegal to feed your slaves lobster more than 3 times in a week. There are laws on the books about neighbor's dogs barking into the night. Some on this thread would say just put in ear plugs or move. There are laws againnst dogs defecating in the park. People who use the park find this practice objectionable and want people to pick up after their dogs or walk them elsewhere. Some on this thread would say if you find dog poo objectionable then just stay away from parks. If it were just one or 2 dogs people might not notice or care.
Quite frankly the noise issue was one of the issues that helped usher in another law that those on this thread seem to dislike. Yet it was people whose reaction was similar to that displayed here, thumbing their noses at what annoyed or frightened others, who are responsible. Now we have the noise issue. Most people in NH are concerned and aware that we share limited space and do their best to be good neighbors. Others thumb their nose or chant the live free or die slogan. Excaliber mentioned the greatest generation of spoiled brats. Erica Blizzard, the former leader of your cause, seemed unconcerned about some of the above issues. From her shoplifting charge, to her outrageous boating escapade, and on to her cell phone/ 80 MPH plus I-93 incident, she seemed to think laws or other people's opinions of her behavior did not matter. I see this spoiled brat aspect in some of the noise postings here.
Again, it was noise that brought us here to present and possibly future legislation. As an example, many are distressed about noise and speeds even of 45 MPH in narrow or congested areas of the lake like Winter Harbor or Wolfeboro Bay. I can hear some of this thread's respondants already saying "tough", "live free or die", etc. but when you get enough people ticked off at the behavior of a few bad apples, that's when people want to do something about it. As far as the boat in question on Sat. night, it's the kind of annoyance where people on their docks up and down the shore make the palms up gesture of "what the heck is this". Maybe the exhaust is legal, maybe not, but when you get enough people irritated like that they will be demanding stricter decibel limits or slower speeds. That's just the way it is, was, and always will be. And be careful of BUI, because speeding (or excessive noise) could be cause to be pulled over.
So...bottom line, whether you're talking dog poo or GFBL's, police yourselves or others will do it for you.

You are a genius!!

[DEJ]

Laws come and go depending on the wants and needs or our people.

Could not say that any better SOTD, stay tuned, some law/s might go in the future.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by DEJ

Laws come and go depending on the wants and needs or our people.

Could not say that any better SOTD, stay tuned, some law/s might go in the future.

Unlikely. The state legislature has indicated that they're becoming tired of this issue that has dragged on now for several years. With a large majority in the Senate and then the House voting in favor, well enough said, But wait, with a majority of emails, letters, and an ARG poll further concurring, well you get the picture. Not to mention how 9 out of 10 people approached to sign a pro speed limit petition wanted to sign and there was a 4 to 1 majority who signed said petition compared to the SBONH petition(which could be signed with the click of a mouse), then we can see that this is indeed a done deal.

[DEJ]

Interesting, when I made that post I was not even thinking about the law we cannot mention here.

[XCR-700]

RE: Irritating loud boat

Maybe I’m missing something here, but I know of no way to make a boat more loud than it is, by that I mean that there is no means to amplify the sound coming out of an open exhaust. Well with the possible exception of open headers or zoomies which you are probably not likely to see these days on Winnipesaukee.

So then if we can agree on that fact, and I’m pretty sure that’s the case, then what am I missing with this post?

Until the advent I/O drives, and really not until they became more popular than other drive systems, inboard engines and jet drives were common place in marine propulsion. And the vast majority of those had un-muffled above the waterline open exhaust, and that was the case for decades!

I guess you might add a few decibels for very high HP or supercharged engines, but I hardly think it would significantly add (as in double or triple) to the volume from a marine exhaust.

So then we have a fundamental issue of expectations of what a boat should sound like.

Given that Winnipesaukee has been THE destination for recreation (i.e. family gatherings, power boating, and other noise filled activities) for a hundred years, then it seems to me that anyone who has been around boats AND Winnipesaukee for any significant period of time will have an expectation of boats with open exhaust and their drone that says this is how we have fun!

If your expectation is that you want a quiet, secluded, natural setting Winnipesaukee has not been that since they made the first gallons on gasoline and power boats and the residents on Winnipesaukee so much embraced the concept of power boating that every town built town docks and sold gas!

It is the glorious history of Winnipesaukee that some of us remember, enjoy, and look forward to!

I for one live to hear the sound of a marine engine with an open and above the waterline exhaust filling the air, it enhances my visit and time there, and that’s day/night/anytime/all the time. I can just sit on the shore and hear the sound of a power boat and feel both excited and soothed by its drone. Its why I go to Winnipesaukee not some other lake.

So I guess it begs the question if you don’t like open marine exhaust, and power boats, why choose Winnipesaukee? There are plenty of other lakes in NE where they don’t have the history of being a power boaters lake and offer that solitude some seek.

So I will say again, what am I missing,,,

And I am not looking to antagonize, irritate, or offend, I would honesty like to understand the disconnect here, because it really does not make any sense to me.

[pm203]

You cannot argue with Sunset gone Amuck. His sole purpose is for some weak PR. No normal person would have started a thread like this . And, since Don has been quick to shut down any performance boat related thread, hopefully he will shut this one down as well. Sorry Don, we didn't start this negative thread. And, Sunset, you need to move on and get over it. There will be loud boats on the lake untill the last drop of petroleum is consumed.

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

Not to mention how 9 out of 10 people approached to sign a pro speed limit petition wanted to sign and there was a 4 to 1 majority who signed said petition compared to the SBONH petition(which could be signed with the click of a mouse), then we can see that this is indeed a done deal.

I think this is because we were actually out trying to have some FUN (after most of us were busting our butts all week), rather than sitting around cackling and peeking out between the curtains like Gladys Cravitz on Bewitched. We were not worrying about what everyone else is doing and how everyone else's actions were infringing on our "rights". We were not spending our weekends in Nashua (1 hour, 20 minutes from Winnipesaukee) trying to get signatures on a petition from people who have never been to Winnipesaukee. Nope, we were not spending our time trying to rid the lake of a certain "ILK", but rather just spending our few hours of personal time trying to have FUN. Oh the horror!

[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by little bear

i think this is because we were actually out trying to have some fun (after most of us were busting our butts all week), rather than sitting around cackling and peeking out between the curtains like gladys cravitz on bewitched. We were not worrying about what everyone else is doing and how everyone else's actions were infringing on our "rights". We were not spending our weekends in nashua (1 hour, 20 minutes from winnipesaukee) trying to get signatures on a petition from people who have never been to winnipesaukee. Nope, we were not spending our time trying to rid the lake of a certain "ilk", but rather just spending our few hours of personal time trying to have fun. Oh the horror!

thank you,, people need to ligthing up and have fun .

You only live once.

[pm203]

Being a responsible law abiding citizen is a good thing. Being a selfish whiner always crying about what you dislike is a bad thing. If these boats are illegal due to excessive sound, then they will be challenged by the MP. If they are legal, you are just going to have it suck it up.Most of the boats on the lake are compliant. There are a few that are not. Starting this thread is just a public relations stunt to try and further your cause. You really need to move inland or adjust. This is the wrong lake to be on if you want tranquility 100% of the time, every day of the week.