Suspicious Death in Wolfeboro

chowda · 03-02-2010, 08:06 AM

Where is John Walsh?!?! In all seriousness Capn G, do what you've got to do. Just get him up here! John Walsh, Nancy Grace, whoever that can get some answers. Are we really getting that close to a year without this being resolved? Is it really true that evidence was botched/lost? Come on! There has got to be somebody out there that knows or heard something since then. We all need to start calling Concord and get them going on this again.

SAMIAM · 03-02-2010, 08:29 PM

Local and state pd should be ashamed......only a very few people could have done this crime.....meanwhile....an innocent person is twisting in the wind while the guilty one is enjoying their freedom.

Mr. V · 03-03-2010, 11:10 AM

I too am puzzled at the lack of an arrest.

The killer either got very lucky or was very methodical in planning, as one would think an arrest would follow based on fingerprints, DNA, hair and fiber or the like.

While I suppose the cops investigating it could be incompetent, I prefer not to think so; rather, I suspect a lack of evidence to date.

Once you charge a person with murder, the accused has a constitutional right to a speedy trial, and if the evidence is weak, the defense attorney will probably not waive it.

Why arrest someone only to have them walk due to lack of evidence?

Keep digging, keep investigating til they get it right, then arrest.

And if for whatever reason insufficient evidence is found, well, where do you think the expression "got away with murder" originated?

chowda · 03-10-2010, 08:43 AM

I think the police might have hit a brick wall because they were going in the direction of just one person the whole time. Like SAMIAM said, letting the guilty one enjoy their freedom and leaving the innocent one twisting in the wind. I still think the police might not have given enough consideration to the possibility of having been the previously mentioned female. Most everybody in town knows she was both mean and unhinged enough. Well worth looking into in my book. It doesn't seem that they have gotten too far with their previous inquiries. I'm sure it made the investigation difficult having more than one "person of interest", so I'll leave it at that.

capngary · 03-11-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Local and state pd should be ashamed......only a very few people could have done this crime.....meanwhile....an innocent person is twisting in the wind while the guilty one is enjoying their freedom.

And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!

jlynn · 04-03-2010, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by capngary

And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!

No mention of the fact that he did not work 2 years prior to his ex wife's death (and was $6000.00 behind on his child support and due to go to court the day after her death) or the fact that he has had no license due to a second offense DWI. His life is ruined? I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around". He made a beautiful persons life miserable for years. Now he's getting his just rewards.

PennyPenny · 05-01-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jlynn

No mention of the fact that he did not work 2 years prior to his ex wife's death (and was $6000.00 behind on his child support and due to go to court the day after her death) or the fact that he has had no license due to a second offense DWI. His life is ruined? I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around". He made a beautiful persons life miserable for years. Now he's getting his just rewards.

My ex has worked off and on for several years and owes over $45,000 in back child support. He has no license because of DWI'S, back taxes etc. I am still alive so far. My ex made our lives miserable for years as well. I think there is another person with a few answers possibly. Do the initials E.T. ring a bell with anyone? CREEPY man. Disclaimer no names mentioned.

gokart-mozart · 05-02-2010, 07:21 AM

First of all, let me say I didn't know Mrs. Burns, I don't know Mr. Burns, and I don't know any of the suspects that are constantly being bandied about.

Of course, in a game of "whodunit" it would always be the ex-husband. This would be true even if there were no factors, as there apparently are in this case, which would tend to incriminate him.

Therefore, the fact that he has not been arrested, the fact that no excuse has been found to prevent him from having custody of his children, and the fact that a few subsequent (alleged) encounters with law enforcement have not resulted in an arrest suggest to me that the Major Crime Unit is looking elsewhere, probably with good reason.

Mr. Vittum has been named in the media as a possible suspect, and it is public record that Mrs. Vittum testified before a Grand Jury last fall. I suspect that, if there were ANY physical evidence tying him to her on the night of the murder that the State would already have taken the easy way out and indicted and tried him. When you look at the stories of people wrongly convicted of murder, most of them have had similar stories to the one Mr. Vittum himself told in his newspaper interview, so I have to believe that, as with Mr. Burns himself, the State has good reasons to look elsewhere.

The other "suspects" are all, as far as I know, "rumor only", so I won't name any of them. On several occasions, news stories about meetings hosted by the DA have mentioned those present as "State Police, WPD, DA's office, and 'other persons not named' ". There is a persistent rumor that these "other persons not named" are Federal LEOs. A Federal presence in this case, if true, would imply that the "local jealous man" story is not the direction that the DA is taking this case.

I certainly hope, for everyone's sake, that the DA at least gives a progress report soon, and for all of you who knew Mrs. Burns, I'm very sorry that you lost such a good friend.

tis · 05-02-2010, 07:43 AM

I am not standing up for anyone, but it is my understanding that Ed is a retired Merchant Marine and I guess that they make pretty good money so maybe he doesn't need to work. I also agree it seems that if they had an idea that he was the guilty one, that they would not let him have custody of the kids all this time. Maybe I am wrong.

gokart-mozart · 05-02-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

I am not standing up for anyone, but it is my understanding that Ed is a retired Merchant Marine and I guess that they make pretty good money so maybe he doesn't need to work. I also agree it seems that if they had an idea that he was the guilty one, that they would not let him have custody of the kids all this time. Maybe I am wrong.

No, I think that's quite right.

I've been through "the system", so that no doubt colors my opinions. If everything that had ever been said about me in motions and orders, or by a hostile lawyer, were printed in the newspapers, my neighbors would have got up a lynch mob.

DYS and the other elements of "the system" exercise enormous and largely unreviewable powers, sometimes for good, sometimes not so much.

If the DA had a shred of evidence, or even reasonable suspicion, that Mr. Burns were guilty, the State would separate his children from him in the blink of an eye. I have assumed from Day One that he MUST either have a bulletproof alibi OR there must be physical evidence which would exonerate him.

Even IF "the system" were inclined to give fathers a break (absurd), just the agony those children would endure were their father to be arrested now would be enough reason to disallow this custodial arrangement.

For whatever reason, I think the State knows he's innocent.

capngary · 05-09-2010, 10:00 AM

ONE YEAR NOW! No closure for anyone! Those poor children!

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Originally Posted by gokart-mozart

No, I think that's quite right.

I've been through "the system", so that no doubt colors my opinions. If everything that had ever been said about me in motions and orders, or by a hostile lawyer, were printed in the newspapers, my neighbors would have got up a lynch mob.

DYS and the other elements of "the system" exercise enormous and largely unreviewable powers, sometimes for good, sometimes not so much.

If the DA had a shred of evidence, or even reasonable suspicion, that Mr. Burns were guilty, the State would separate his children from him in the blink of an eye. I have assumed from Day One that he MUST either have a bulletproof alibi OR there must be physical evidence which would exonerate him.

Even IF "the system" were inclined to give fathers a break (absurd), just the agony those children would endure were their father to be arrested now would be enough reason to disallow this custodial arrangement.

For whatever reason, I think the State knows he's innocent.

You have it right! I've known Ed for over 20 years. The statements made in order to gain full custody of the children were fallacious. Ed is so distraught over the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude of the folks of Wolfeboro that he is moving out AFTER ONE YEAR. He just can't take it anymore. Someone mentioned that he "must have alot of money." He is on the verge of bankruptcy as a result of this heinous crime with 5 children to support. Someone got away with murder, put a very hard working individual into bankruptcy, deprived 5 children of their mother and is walking around after a year! Can we call this a COLD CASE yet?

Mr. V · 05-09-2010, 11:03 AM

Oh, please!

With him being a widower with five kids at home, doesn't Social Security kick in to pay him a handsome monthly stipend?

I'm just sayin' ...

capngary · 05-15-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. V

Oh, please!

With him being a widower with five kids at home, doesn't Social Security kick in to pay him a handsome monthly stipend?

I'm just sayin' ...

NO! House is getting forclosed and electricity cut off!

Mr. V · 05-15-2010, 03:00 PM

Social Security should pay him a benefit for the kids, not for him (he divorced her, IIRC), provided she paid into Social Security for ten or more years.

Maybe she didn't.

A pity.

tis · 05-15-2010, 05:03 PM

Is that true? Social Security doesn't pay when the mother dies, only the father? I never realized that.

RI Swamp Yankee · 05-15-2010, 07:22 PM

Social Security spousal benefits are not affected by gender. Even with 5 kids under 16 you ain't gonna get rich on SS surviving spousal benefits.

More info here: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10084.html

tis · 05-16-2010, 06:56 AM

The people I know getting it got almost $2000 a month for each child. Guess it was because they made more money than you are thinking of RISY.

Eagle · 05-16-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

The people I know getting it got almost $2000 a month for each child. Guess it was because they made more money than you are thinking of RISY.

Absolutely impossible. Here is the quote from the manual:

Maximum family benefits
There is a limit to the benefits that can be paid to you and other family members each month. The limit varies, but is generally between 150 and 180 percent of the deceased’s benefit amount.

tis · 05-16-2010, 04:52 PM

Why do you say it's impossible? Remember, I said ALMOST $2000. I can check on the the exact amount but I thought it was around $1800. I know I was pretty surprised when I heard how much they were getting. There were two kids in this case, a child and a step child.

Yosemite Sam · 05-17-2010, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

Why do you say it's impossible? Remember, I said ALMOST $2000. I can check on the the exact amount but I thought it was around $1800. I know I was pretty surprised when I heard how much they were getting. There were two kids in this case, a child and a step child.

tis,

Could you check the exact amount that the children get that you talk about. Also could you find out if that is Social Security that they are getting and how they figured the total amount for each child. Ages and why they get SS would be nice also.

Thank You

Heaven · 05-17-2010, 06:03 AM

If this is to be a discussion of SS benefits, can it be moved to a separate thread please?

jlynn · 04-03-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by capngary

And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!

And by the way, not "ALL" people know who the innocent person is. Speak for yourself!

chowda · 04-10-2010, 08:38 PM

At this point nobody is getting "just rewards" the way I see it. Lifetime in prison will be the minimal "reward" there.

Merlin's Moon · 04-23-2010, 10:38 AM

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

Heaven · 04-23-2010, 03:43 PM

I have been curious but afraid to ask, as it is none of my business, but the move out of town in the middle of the school year (and leaving friends etc) , , , speculation as to if that was something the kids wanted to do (maybe be out of that house come mother's day?), or, not?

jlynn · 04-29-2010, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlin's Moon

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

Merlin, You are true idiot! Get your facts straight before saying something so assanine as "Mr. Vittum was on the edges of a mysterious death". It's people like you that start RIDICULOUS rumors about hurtful things that you don't know anything about! Shame on you!!!! Your as sick as your "innocent Mr. Burns". I'm so glad that your so sure that Ed did not do this. Your are one of the few. Read the May 14th 2009 article. Staceys words from her grave. If you knew the situation AT ALL you would know that Stacey had been fearful for a long time that Ed would kill her. He said he would and I and MANY others believe that he followed through with it. The only inteliigent thing that you said here was not to forget justice for Stacey. The most painful thing for the kids is losing a beautiful, wonderful Mother. The second painful thing is that they now have to live their lives with an abusive, angry alcoholic father. As for Mr. Vittum enjoying celebrity and exaggerating his involvement with Stacey? Are you crazy? (no need to respond to that). I reiterate, your an Idiot. Thankfully the majority of people who know the truth, Staceys closet friends, people who know the facts, back Mr. Vittum 100%.

jlynn · 04-29-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin's Moon

Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

jmen24 · 04-29-2010, 01:13 PM

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

Pepper · 04-29-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jmen24

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

jlynn · 04-29-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

Pepper · 04-29-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jlynn

This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest.

jlynn · 04-29-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepper

Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest.

It is what it is Pepper. Did not mean in any way to offend the people on here with something intelligent to say and your right, I let myself engage in the very behavior that I am complaining about but as I said, a few things said on here are just too ridiculous to ignore. My mistake. So to avoid letting someones ignorant comments rile me, I cancel my membership. Take care all.....

jlynn · 04-29-2010, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jmen24

How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

My intention was not to "attack" this person. I don't even know who he is. I was letting him know that some things he wrote are hitting below the belt and certainly not based on fact but rumor and speculation. Yes, I joined recently (and?) and am I mistaken or is this general discussion/suspicious death in Wolfeboro forum? Fortunately I only check in with this site on rare occasions but some of the comments on here are just to ridiculous to ignore. My bad.....

capngary · 06-23-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jlynn

By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

It's libel, not slander...

Ed has a job...

Perhaps as a inlaw of Ed's you would like to coment on Stacey's Uncle...

old coot · 06-23-2010, 06:01 PM

If someone's alibi is airtight, you could then know they didn't do the crime, without having been there as an eyewitness.

capngary · 07-08-2010, 11:01 AM

Since the case is officially "cold," how about some "outside" help? Must be "OK" with the D.A.

Maybe the "lucky" investigative reporter just might "loosen" the right lips.

Line up!

1) 20/20

2) America's Most Wanted

3) 48 Hours Mystery

4) 60 Minutes

ApS · 08-18-2010, 01:44 AM

fatlazyless · 08-18-2010, 02:42 PM

With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.

900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

brk-lnt · 08-18-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.

900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

Doubtful.

I-94, which runs East/West through Michigan and Illinois is the primary drug corridor in that region (I grew up in the Detroit 'burbs). The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules. One of the main things that is a giveaway is a vehicle doing exactly 5 over on a roadway that usually has people doing 15-25 over for long stretches. Couple that with suspension sag and/or lack of suspension travel (from a beefed up undercarriage) on a road that is filled with potholes, and you have a high probability of a mule vehicle.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

fatlazyless · 08-19-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Doubtful. The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

brk-lnt · 08-19-2010, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

No.

Go refold your tinfoil hat. They are getting to you.

chowda · 08-20-2010, 09:30 PM

Why don't you think about the possibility that this all goes back to the first person in town that got busted, NOT Stacey Burns. Remember, the local guy that was a teacher/coach at a NH high school was arrested selling oxycontin. It was on the news and in the papers, and then all of a sudden nothing could be found online anymore. Somehow this same person never went to trial or jail and now lives in Virginia (hopefully not working at another school) without any of the problems that most would encounter after being caught committing such a crime. One could then also take into account the other ensuing drug related arrests in town. Maybe the serious possibility of a person actually arrested for dealing/ratting should be considered before attributing any of this to Stacey's murder. I just hope 20/20, along with the authorities are truly looking into ALL of the possible people that could have committed this crime and take into account ALL of the leads that they have been given.

tis · 08-21-2010, 06:26 AM

That is interesting chowda. I didn't think of that connection. I did wonder how he got to just go away to Va. So you think he made a deal?

gokart-mozart · 08-21-2010, 03:13 PM

I've wondered (and posted) about a possible drug connection for a long time - but I don't know any of the people involved, so trying to put it all together involves wild speculation.

1) I agree the JL bust is strange. I also agree he, or his vehicle, were probably targeted based on information coming from here.

2) After the arrest mentioned above, there WERE a lot of minor busts, plus the one in Brookfield which may have been not so minor.

3) Based on hearsay, the Burns murder was a passionate crime - that is, the killer inflicted injuries greater than required to achieve the desired end.

Most people have supposed that the passion was romantic in nature, somehow (jealousy). But there are other kinds of passion, for example, revenge or a warning to others.

I keep coming back to the "summit" that Strelzin had sometime in the Fall when the DA, NHSP, Major Crime Unit, WPD, and "others Strelzin declined to name" were present. Some have suggested those others were Feds.

If the Feds are involved in this case, in any way, then it's much more complicated than the "husband vs. boyfriend" speculators would have it. Perhaps we'll learn more from 20/20 - although I suspect Wolfe City will just wind up getting trashed.

Skip · 08-25-2010, 09:39 AM

According to THIS Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

RI Swamp Yankee · 08-25-2010, 10:07 PM

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According to THIS Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=232

secondcurve · 08-26-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=232

It was but then there was an additional article with more information that Skip posted. Thanks Skip.

03-02-2010, 08:06 AM	#1
chowda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Captain Gary, Where is John Walsh?!?! In all seriousness Capn G, do what you've got to do. Just get him up here! John Walsh, Nancy Grace, whoever that can get some answers. Are we really getting that close to a year without this being resolved? Is it really true that evidence was botched/lost? Come on! There has got to be somebody out there that knows or heard something since then. We all need to start calling Concord and get them going on this again.

05-02-2010, 07:21 AM	#8
gokart-mozart Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 193 Thanks: 2 Thanked 54 Times in 34 Posts	Informed Speculation First of all, let me say I didn't know Mrs. Burns, I don't know Mr. Burns, and I don't know any of the suspects that are constantly being bandied about. Of course, in a game of "whodunit" it would always be the ex-husband. This would be true even if there were no factors, as there apparently are in this case, which would tend to incriminate him. Therefore, the fact that he has not been arrested, the fact that no excuse has been found to prevent him from having custody of his children, and the fact that a few subsequent (alleged) encounters with law enforcement have not resulted in an arrest suggest to me that the Major Crime Unit is looking elsewhere, probably with good reason. Mr. Vittum has been named in the media as a possible suspect, and it is public record that Mrs. Vittum testified before a Grand Jury last fall. I suspect that, if there were ANY physical evidence tying him to her on the night of the murder that the State would already have taken the easy way out and indicted and tried him. When you look at the stories of people wrongly convicted of murder, most of them have had similar stories to the one Mr. Vittum himself told in his newspaper interview, so I have to believe that, as with Mr. Burns himself, the State has good reasons to look elsewhere. The other "suspects" are all, as far as I know, "rumor only", so I won't name any of them. On several occasions, news stories about meetings hosted by the DA have mentioned those present as "State Police, WPD, DA's office, and 'other persons not named' ". There is a persistent rumor that these "other persons not named" are Federal LEOs. A Federal presence in this case, if true, would imply that the "local jealous man" story is not the direction that the DA is taking this case. I certainly hope, for everyone's sake, that the DA at least gives a progress report soon, and for all of you who knew Mrs. Burns, I'm very sorry that you lost such a good friend.

05-15-2010, 07:22 PM	#16
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	Social Security spousal benefits are not affected by gender. Even with 5 kids under 16 you ain't gonna get rich on SS surviving spousal benefits. More info here: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10084.html __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"

05-16-2010, 04:52 PM	#19
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	Why do you say it's impossible? Remember, I said ALMOST $2000. I can check on the the exact amount but I thought it was around $1800. I know I was pretty surprised when I heard how much they were getting. There were two kids in this case, a child and a step child. Last edited by tis; 05-16-2010 at 06:46 PM.

04-23-2010, 10:38 AM	#24
Merlin's Moon Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ongoing Investigation? Are you kidding? Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

03-02-2010, 08:29 PM	#2
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,900 Thanks: 336 Thanked 1,676 Times in 586 Posts	Local and state pd should be ashamed......only a very few people could have done this crime.....meanwhile....an innocent person is twisting in the wind while the guilty one is enjoying their freedom.

03-03-2010, 11:10 AM	#3
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,411 Thanks: 65 Thanked 259 Times in 177 Posts	I too am puzzled at the lack of an arrest. The killer either got very lucky or was very methodical in planning, as one would think an arrest would follow based on fingerprints, DNA, hair and fiber or the like. While I suppose the cops investigating it could be incompetent, I prefer not to think so; rather, I suspect a lack of evidence to date. Once you charge a person with murder, the accused has a constitutional right to a speedy trial, and if the evidence is weak, the defense attorney will probably not waive it. Why arrest someone only to have them walk due to lack of evidence? Keep digging, keep investigating til they get it right, then arrest. And if for whatever reason insufficient evidence is found, well, where do you think the expression "got away with murder" originated?

03-10-2010, 08:43 AM	#4
chowda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I think the police might have hit a brick wall because they were going in the direction of just one person the whole time. Like SAMIAM said, letting the guilty one enjoy their freedom and leaving the innocent one twisting in the wind. I still think the police might not have given enough consideration to the possibility of having been the previously mentioned female. Most everybody in town knows she was both mean and unhinged enough. Well worth looking into in my book. It doesn't seem that they have gotten too far with their previous inquiries. I'm sure it made the investigation difficult having more than one "person of interest", so I'll leave it at that.

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05-02-2010, 07:43 AM	#9
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	I am not standing up for anyone, but it is my understanding that Ed is a retired Merchant Marine and I guess that they make pretty good money so maybe he doesn't need to work. I also agree it seems that if they had an idea that he was the guilty one, that they would not let him have custody of the kids all this time. Maybe I am wrong.

05-09-2010, 11:03 AM	#12
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,411 Thanks: 65 Thanked 259 Times in 177 Posts	Oh, please! With him being a widower with five kids at home, doesn't Social Security kick in to pay him a handsome monthly stipend? I'm just sayin' ...

05-15-2010, 03:00 PM	#14
Mr. V Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: the left coast (Portland)and West Alton Posts: 1,411 Thanks: 65 Thanked 259 Times in 177 Posts	Social Security should pay him a benefit for the kids, not for him (he divorced her, IIRC), provided she paid into Social Security for ten or more years. Maybe she didn't. A pity.

05-15-2010, 05:03 PM	#15
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	Is that true? Social Security doesn't pay when the mother dies, only the father? I never realized that.

05-16-2010, 06:56 AM	#17
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	The people I know getting it got almost $2000 a month for each child. Guess it was because they made more money than you are thinking of RISY.

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05-17-2010, 06:03 AM	#21
Heaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 523 Thanks: 128 Thanked 95 Times in 67 Posts	If this is to be a discussion of SS benefits, can it be moved to a separate thread please?

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04-10-2010, 08:38 PM	#23
chowda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	At this point nobody is getting "just rewards" the way I see it. Lifetime in prison will be the minimal "reward" there.

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04-23-2010, 03:43 PM	#25
Heaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 523 Thanks: 128 Thanked 95 Times in 67 Posts	I have been curious but afraid to ask, as it is none of my business, but the move out of town in the middle of the school year (and leaving friends etc) , , , speculation as to if that was something the kids wanted to do (maybe be out of that house come mother's day?), or, not?

04-29-2010, 01:13 PM	#28
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here. You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

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06-23-2010, 06:01 PM	#35
old coot Deceased Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 97 Thanks: 51 Thanked 13 Times in 8 Posts	If someone's alibi is airtight, you could then know they didn't do the crime, without having been there as an eyewitness.

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07-08-2010, 11:01 AM	#36
capngary Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 27 Thanks: 6 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	"outside" help Since the case is officially "cold," how about some "outside" help? Must be "OK" with the D.A. Maybe the "lucky" investigative reporter just might "loosen" the right lips. Line up! 1) 20/20 2) America's Most Wanted 3) 48 Hours Mystery 4) 60 Minutes

08-18-2010, 01:44 AM	#37
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08-18-2010, 02:42 PM	#38
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,764 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,014 Times in 739 Posts	With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents. 900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual. Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

08-20-2010, 09:30 PM	#42
chowda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Why don't you think about the possibility that this all goes back to the first person in town that got busted, NOT Stacey Burns. Remember, the local guy that was a teacher/coach at a NH high school was arrested selling oxycontin. It was on the news and in the papers, and then all of a sudden nothing could be found online anymore. Somehow this same person never went to trial or jail and now lives in Virginia (hopefully not working at another school) without any of the problems that most would encounter after being caught committing such a crime. One could then also take into account the other ensuing drug related arrests in town. Maybe the serious possibility of a person actually arrested for dealing/ratting should be considered before attributing any of this to Stacey's murder. I just hope 20/20, along with the authorities are truly looking into ALL of the possible people that could have committed this crime and take into account ALL of the leads that they have been given.

08-21-2010, 06:26 AM	#43
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,749 Thanks: 752 Thanked 1,459 Times in 1,016 Posts	That is interesting chowda. I didn't think of that connection. I did wonder how he got to just go away to Va. So you think he made a deal?

08-21-2010, 03:13 PM	#44
gokart-mozart Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 193 Thanks: 2 Thanked 54 Times in 34 Posts	The Drug Connection Possibility (Speculation) I've wondered (and posted) about a possible drug connection for a long time - but I don't know any of the people involved, so trying to put it all together involves wild speculation. 1) I agree the JL bust is strange. I also agree he, or his vehicle, were probably targeted based on information coming from here. 2) After the arrest mentioned above, there WERE a lot of minor busts, plus the one in Brookfield which may have been not so minor. 3) Based on hearsay, the Burns murder was a passionate crime - that is, the killer inflicted injuries greater than required to achieve the desired end. Most people have supposed that the passion was romantic in nature, somehow (jealousy). But there are other kinds of passion, for example, revenge or a warning to others. I keep coming back to the "summit" that Strelzin had sometime in the Fall when the DA, NHSP, Major Crime Unit, WPD, and "others Strelzin declined to name" were present. Some have suggested those others were Feds. If the Feds are involved in this case, in any way, then it's much more complicated than the "husband vs. boyfriend" speculators would have it. Perhaps we'll learn more from 20/20 - although I suspect Wolfe City will just wind up getting trashed.

08-25-2010, 09:39 AM	#45
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	20-20 doing a feature story on this crime According to THIS Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.