Dock extension

SAMIAM · 08-11-2011, 12:24 PM

I have a 6' X 6' rock crib directly in front of my dock and would like to extend my 30' dock over it......wondering if I'll need a permit, since nothing will be touching the water and it will be only a deck on top of the rocks. Don't want start the process if I don't have to. It will start with local building inspector. wetlands, the ERA and probably the NAACP and the UAW before I'm done.
Any suggestions?

TOAD · 08-11-2011, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

I have a 6' X 6' rock crib directly in front of my dock and would like to extend my 30' dock over it......wondering if I'll need a permit, since nothing will be touching the water and it will be only a deck on top of the rocks. Don't want start the process if I don't have to. It will start with local building inspector. wetlands, the ERA and probably the NAACP and the UAW before I'm done.
Any suggestions?

Don't forget Homeland Security and OSHA!

Onshore · 08-11-2011, 02:02 PM

If there has been dock surface extending out over that crib within the last 5 years then you could replace it without a permit from Wetlands. If not, you would need a Wetlands permit for the extension. The good news is that you should not need an individual permit from the Army Corp of Engineers. The State Programmatic General Permit from the Corps should cover it.

dayvsea · 09-06-2011, 08:15 PM

The old adage was you could not build OUT..This sounds OK as you are Grandfathered in, as it were....

SAMIAM · 09-07-2011, 09:34 AM

Think I'll take a chance and put it in........I'll bolt it to the existing dock, that way if they make me remove it, it will be an easy job.

tis · 09-07-2011, 01:51 PM

If there was not a dock there before, I don't think you can do it without a permit. When the permits for docks first came about we built a dock that was totally on shore parallel to the lake. We had no idea we needed a permit. we got a cease and desist order and couldn't continue until we got a permit.

songkrai · 09-07-2011, 03:21 PM

The state takes arial photos of all. How much they enforce such is unknown.

SAMIAM · 09-07-2011, 06:56 PM

You could be right, Tis......only thing is, nothing is touching the water. I would be building a deck on top of a rock crib. Will definitely check it out though.....don't want to run afoul of the law.

tis · 09-07-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

You could be right, Tis......only thing is, nothing is touching the water. I would be building a deck on top of a rock crib. Will definitely check it out though.....don't want to run afoul of the law.

That's exactly what we had. It was on rock and nothing touched the water.

Rattlesnake Guy · 09-07-2011, 08:15 PM

If it helps answer your question, I had to get the root canal, I mean DES permit to build stairs up the hill to the house. It was not over water. Fortunately I passed the endangered species impact study section with flying colors.

Winnisquamguy · 09-07-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Think I'll take a chance and put it in........I'll bolt it to the existing dock, that way if they make me remove it, it will be an easy job.

Life is to short to worry about everything, play dumb!

codeman671 · 09-07-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

Life is to short to worry about everything, play dumb!

Great idea, especially when a Poster in this thread works for DES...

garysanfran · 09-07-2011, 10:25 PM

and definitely get some used nails!

DeniseW · 09-08-2011, 03:44 PM

I could see there being some argument over who owns the land you built on. Is the rock crib touching the shore or is it isolated in the water? Do you have pictures of it? I wouldn't think it would be a problem if it's a slight extension of your existing dock but you never know.
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LIforrelaxin · 09-08-2011, 03:52 PM

I would be less worried about the exposure from this thread, and more worried about what the neighbors are like...... If you think your neighbors are likely to be upset by your expansion you are best to make sure you are all set from the DES, and local codes perspective... I thank God that I have a season dock, and don't have to worry about all these things....

08-11-2011, 12:24 PM	#1
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,937 Thanks: 349 Thanked 1,708 Times in 602 Posts	Dock extension I have a 6' X 6' rock crib directly in front of my dock and would like to extend my 30' dock over it......wondering if I'll need a permit, since nothing will be touching the water and it will be only a deck on top of the rocks. Don't want start the process if I don't have to. It will start with local building inspector. wetlands, the ERA and probably the NAACP and the UAW before I'm done. Any suggestions?

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09-08-2011, 03:44 PM	#14
DeniseW Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I could see there being some argument over who owns the land you built on. Is the rock crib touching the shore or is it isolated in the water? Do you have pictures of it? I wouldn't think it would be a problem if it's a slight extension of your existing dock but you never know. __________________ Denise - need a Boston handyman for some projects on my house Last edited by DeniseW; 10-01-2011 at 01:55 PM.

09-08-2011, 03:52 PM	#15
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas, Lake Ray Hubbard and NH, Long Island Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,970 Thanks: 1,064 Thanked 912 Times in 539 Posts	I would be less worried about the exposure from this thread, and more worried about what the neighbors are like...... If you think your neighbors are likely to be upset by your expansion you are best to make sure you are all set from the DES, and local codes perspective... I thank God that I have a season dock, and don't have to worry about all these things.... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

08-11-2011, 02:02 PM	#3
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 505 Thanks: 12 Thanked 428 Times in 147 Posts	If there has been dock surface extending out over that crib within the last 5 years then you could replace it without a permit from Wetlands. If not, you would need a Wetlands permit for the extension. The good news is that you should not need an individual permit from the Army Corp of Engineers. The State Programmatic General Permit from the Corps should cover it.

09-06-2011, 08:15 PM	#4
dayvsea Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 115 Thanks: 45 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	The old adage was you could not build OUT..This sounds OK as you are Grandfathered in, as it were....

09-07-2011, 09:34 AM	#5
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,937 Thanks: 349 Thanked 1,708 Times in 602 Posts	Think I'll take a chance and put it in........I'll bolt it to the existing dock, that way if they make me remove it, it will be an easy job.

09-07-2011, 01:51 PM	#6
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,945 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	If there was not a dock there before, I don't think you can do it without a permit. When the permits for docks first came about we built a dock that was totally on shore parallel to the lake. We had no idea we needed a permit. we got a cease and desist order and couldn't continue until we got a permit.

09-07-2011, 03:21 PM	#7
songkrai Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 742 Thanks: 35 Thanked 149 Times in 101 Posts	The state takes arial photos of all. How much they enforce such is unknown.

09-07-2011, 06:56 PM	#8
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,937 Thanks: 349 Thanked 1,708 Times in 602 Posts	You could be right, Tis......only thing is, nothing is touching the water. I would be building a deck on top of a rock crib. Will definitely check it out though.....don't want to run afoul of the law.

09-07-2011, 08:15 PM	#10
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	If it helps answer your question, I had to get the root canal, I mean DES permit to build stairs up the hill to the house. It was not over water. Fortunately I passed the endangered species impact study section with flying colors.