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The Senate voted unanimously today to make DST permanent.
I'd actually like to take it one step further and shift the calendar so that the summer solstice is in, like, late August. 9 o'clock sunsets all summer! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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What? Really? I am shocked, I never thought it would happen. Now to make it through the next steps. ????
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Same effect of DST all year round. Dave
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I remember in 2005 George Bush adjusted the time in which we would "fall back" in the fall, and "spring forward" in the spring. I think it was changed by two weeks (one week in the spring and one week in the fall).
I believe back then there was a three year notice and it actually took effect in 2008. To me it's amazing of how the Feds suddenly feel about this 14 years later. Why didn't they bite the bullet and change it permanently back then? By the way, I personally am all for the new proposed change for 2023. Let's hope these overpaid bureaucrats can agree on something and pull this off. |
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As a person who enjoys getting up early but dislikes the effects of changing the clocks twice a year - What if we adjusted the time by 30 minutes, split the difference and be done with changing? Trying to think of what adverse issues this would cause, can't think of many. One possible one, we would be 1/2 hour off of from rest of world (i.e. 9:30 AM New York - 1 PM England). Thoughts?
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Great idea. Write to your senators and representatives and make that suggestion. They will take the ball from there and form four different committees to study the feasibility of making this change and spend 3.5 billion dollars to see it is feasible and if it is, see it implemented.
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In school the days, even week, after the spring time change is brutal on the kids. |
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This has been tried before and failed.... miserably! Under Nixon. I don't think it made it a year before it daylight savings was restored!
Unfortunately (as usual) People forget history! I see very few people on the east coast being happy with 8:30am sunrise! Woodsy
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And then there's the whole issue that the title of this thread is incorrect.
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The hours for school can change. My schools started at 8:15 and was let out at 3:15. Then sports in high school for an hour and half. But walked to school and got to high school any way possible. No school bus, city bus, long walk, hitch hike or ride with friends. Kids today are home from school at 2:00 or working at the local grocery store.
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Of all the important issues facing us today...THIS is what our elected officials are spending their time (and our money) on?
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The problem with that would be the adjustment to the working world.
High school students have already been conditioned to believe that they should only be working during the day and weekends off. But if all the stores and restaurants closed for the weekends, what would that look like? What if they only opened Monday to Friday 6am to 6pm? |
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Well, If they all head off to college...
You won't have any labor for those stores and restaurants. Be prepared for the price of labor to go up... and the price of goods/services to accelerate. It will be like when I worked in manufacturing with shift differentials and double time plus pay for weekend/holiday hours. |
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It seems that while most people like to get more daylight later in the summer, they don't like that hour jump in March and September when we switch between EST and DST.
The solution is simple. Instead of moving the clock ahead an hour every March, we should start advancing it by just 2 minutes per week in March and then start falling back 2 minutes per week in November. This will gradually lengthen the amount of daylight in the evening. The implementation is simple. Cell phones and Internet connected equipment will adjust automatically. Through frequent practice, people will finally be able to remember just how to set their watches and car clocks without finding the manuals. The clocks on the stove and microwave will continue to blink as usual. Many communists and flat-earthers will disagree with my solution, but this is too important an issue to just "kick the can down the road". ![]() |
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They could make any of the clocks auto set based on radio signals.
The funny part... long haul truckers generally cross through several time zones... were in an instant they are an hour into the future or past... and they seem to do it without so much as a gripe. I used to fly time zone to time zone, and never even really noticed it. |
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This question seems more important for people who have a very short day in the winter---New Hampshire, for example. Regardless of the time on the clock, the fact is (in my opinion) that the daylight hours are just too short in the winter for mental and physical health and getting things done. I find it hard to schedule outdoor exercise in the winter when the sun sets at 4:00. (I quit my gym, a.k.a. the Flu Factory, so my only exercise is outdoors.) Of course, millions of people north of us have it far worse.
The choices are to have the sun rise at 8:00 a.m. (actually 8:17 would be the latest sunrise in New Hampshire!) or set at 4:00 p.m. I can't stand the 4:00 sunset, but I would also hate an 8:17 sunrise. You wouldn't even be fully awake until 9:00. However, psychologically, I think it's easier to get up at, say, 6:00 a.m. knowing that it's getting lighter and lighter even if the sun doesn't rise until 8:00 than it is to get to 3:00 p.m. and realize there's only one hour left in the day. So I vote for year-round daylight savings time because I find that extra hour at the end of the day more useful, though as a Northerner I find both choices onerous. In Miami the shortest day is 10 hours 34 minutes. In New Hampshire it's 9 hours. Boy, that extra hour and a half would make a big difference psychologically and practically. The best solution would be to get the earth straight on its axis and flatten it down like a pancake so there would be no latitudinal differences in the length of the day or seasons. (People at the center of the disk could be cold, though.) |
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And by applying labor to stores and restaurants... I was insinuating those that may not.
They're the ones that we are going to feel locally. The college educated ones already felt the privilege of week day only schedules. |
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Areas that have later start times for young people have improved academic scores, higher rates of attendance, better physical and mental health outcomes, reduced dependence in caffeine, fewer driving accidents...there's a multitude of benefits. Besides, we're like totally talking about starting school at 8-9 AM, which is, like, EXACTLY the core starting time for "real jobs." Ya know, like the song says, "workin' 9-5, what a way to make a livin'!" Oh, no—did I just slip into FLL for a moment there?! Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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In the summer, I still got up early because my friends and I would be packing up to go on a ride on our bicycles to spend the day fishing or exploring. In the summertime growing up, if you wanted to watch television at 9:30 in the morning, you got to watch a very interesting test pattern, because that's all that was on. If you want the kids to have a more normal life pattern, kick them out of bed early, have them make their own breakfast, put limits on when television can be on, limits on the cell phones and the iPad or tablets, and send them outside to get fresh air and join in activities with their friends and Neighbors. My humble opinion, is that parents today have allowed kids' "rhythms" to get so far out of whack. Your opinion probably will vary. ![]() Dave
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What jobs start at 6 (assuming a wake time of 5)? Among the earliest of careers, construction, can't even start until 7. I'm up the earliest of ALL my friends at 5 and not a one besides my teacher and construction friends is at work before 8. And to say teenagers are lazy is just plain ignorant. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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This is just a screenshot, but for anyone who wants to learn more a quick Google search will find what you need—there's a lot of science behind changing circadian rhythms.
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As to eliminating daylight saving time, sleep experts advocate for standard time year round, https://sleepeducation.org/resources...t-saving-time/. |
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I drove trucks over one million miles when I was in my 20's and 30's and worked between 58 and 60 hours per week at that job. Most start times were between 4 AM and 6 AM. If you had a later start time you felt like you were sleeping in. I had a second job on weekends. When I was in school, from the 7th grade on, I had a morning paper route that I had to deliver before I showered and went to school. In 7th grade due to a school building project we had double sessions and the school day started at 7 AM. Some people don't know how good they have it and their parents are doing them no favors by allowing them to be lazy. Much of the published information is written by people who never lived in the real world, they just went to college, got a bunch of degrees, and then made a career out of writing papers on how other people should live their lives. It has been said that 70% of all psychiatrists are under the treatment of other psychiatrists. Sometimes too much time in school can be a bad thing. https://www.spiritualresearchfoundat...ental-illness/ |
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Descant's post and mine are in agreement--there is no standard wake up time, whether it's for college or Dunks. Given that, some sound like old men reminiscing about walking uphill to school each morning, and then walking uphill to get back home |
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Only half of the former President's supporters fell into the basket of deplorables - I am sure no one on this forum falls in to that racist, xenophobic, sexist, etc. half!
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I drive Route 3 EVERY DAY at 5:30-6 AM, and it's clear sailing. By 7, when people are commuting in for their 8/9-5s, it starts to back up. At 7PM-5AM it's essentially zero—I saw this for years working overnights and night school. The point I was making is that students wouldn't be at all weird getting up at 7/8 for a school start of 8/9. And (almost) all (I've not read EVERY piece) research shows myriad benefits of that. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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Your standard defense to posting clearly biased articles is to make fun of being called out for posting clearly biased articles, not unlike DEJ above, rather than addressing the topic. Point out how the science is wrong, and let's discuss. Calling all my students lazy, though? I'm gonna call you out for ignorance. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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Hahahaha! I keep checking my inbox for your attack message. Sad face.
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What's this "Called You Out" nonsense? You always give the impression that you're right, everyone else is wrong, and that your word is gospel. FAKE NEWS!
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And you basically without actually doing so called seaplane pilot a deplorable, nice, real nice.
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You, as I AND OTHERS have pointed out, use clearly biased foundations on which to make your comments. So, here goes (again): DST changes are leading to talks about later school start times that unbiased, reliable data has shown to be beneficial. Secondarily, are teens becoming lazy? Not the ones I work with and know. But they are spending more time on activities, sports, and "chosen" jobs in an attempt to improve their college acceptance/scholarship opportunities rather than just outright work tons of hours at all hours. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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It is just going to be very expensive for patrons when a business has to pay the premium for life balance that the patrons are requesting.
The worker is expecting the same full-size luxury auto/truck that the patrons are driving, the same weekend of boating/snowmobiling, and the same vacation home. It isn't a matter of lazy... it is a matter of what they are being taught by the world around them. |
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The people on the east coast are one thing, it's the people who live on the western side of the time zones that have more to lose. Here are some DST January sunrise times in selected cities: 09:01 Detroit; 09:05 Indianapolis; 09:32 Marquette MI 08:51 Minneapolis, MN 09:12 Fargo, ND 09:35 Minot, ND 09:44 Williston, ND << Winner 08:45 Salt Lake City 09:18 Boise, ID 09:27 Kalispell, MT 08:57 Seattle Year 'round DST is not the panacea you think it is. |
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Just throwing this out there too. I just read since this started in the news that Russia also tried to do away with it sometime in the early 2000s (maybe slightly later) and also went back to the way it was.
So, we have tried it and failed and Russia has tried it and failed. Maybe it will be different this time to do the same things that fail? |
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People talk about how hard it is for the kids today. I don't think it was any easier for us. Costs were less, (including college, Think) but so was pay. Wages are NOT the same. I truly think it is all RELATIVE!!! When we were young we never thought of cell phones, cable tv, going out to dinner, picking up coffee, etc. That all adds up. It was a different world for us than it is today. There is also a lot more government help today than there was.
I think the half hour split would be perfect for the time change. But of course as was said, it would take government another 20 years...... |
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