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06-24-2014, 02:23 PM | #1 |
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Cost of Permanent Dock
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I was wondering if anyone could give me an estimate on what the cost would be to install a 50 foot wood u-shaped dock? Cost and experience of the permit would be helpful also... Thanks Tank |
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not sure about cost, but if you are looking at a new installation, the U shape would not necessarily be granted... A permanent dock requires permitting and approval...
I would suggest contacting companies like WaterMark to get estimates, as they can also give you a clear picture of what may or may not be permitted in your location.
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Do you have depth issues that would necessitate a 50' long dock? Typically you would have a tough time getting one that long approved. The definition of a slip by NH standards is 25' of length from the point that the water depth is 3 feet deep at full lake level.
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I would start by calling Ambrose Marine. They do a great job.
50' dock would be interesting if it would be approved all I could get was 25' U shape but I guess its all depth that would determine that. If you need a breakwater or not will be huge swing in cost. If you need the rocks you will be into the 60K+ range and likely next year on timing as the barges are booked out that far would be my guess the rocks aside for your queston on dock costs it all depends on what you put into the finish materials. I had mine repaired from Ice issues this year and here is a rough idea. 1. A permit to do the repairs around $1000 would be more I suspect for new 2. On a new one I think they'd have to do a survey...its been a while so not sure on the price 3. my major ice repairs (some of the old dock was still usable) and some rocks on the breakwater reset was 21K +/- 4. I used the middle of the road Azek decking it would have been thousands more for the higher grade decking 5. dock lighting that is something I had to have redone that was serveral thousand 5K+ (depends on the quality of the lights could easily be more) 6. New dock post fenders installed around a thousand So at 50' I guess it would be double and with how the lake ripped up docks this year I know a number of dock installers are booking out to next year so it could be a long journey. Good luck and hope some of this helped. Now that I'm all put back together I hold my breath to see what next winters ice does to it |
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Things like Mooring whips really help prevent the need for the U shape dock... Unless of course you need the space for additional boats....
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You need to contact a professional have them come out and evaluate your situation. Only then could you get an idea of cost and layout. The sky is really the limit. A client of mine that just had the surface of the dock replaced a few years ago has a 53' crib dock with a 12' x 8' end platform, a 8' by 16' platform attached to the crib with a 16' finger dock off that platform. It is basically a u shaped dock that averages 7' wide on all surfaces. That dock cost more than most folks homes, but when you have 1600' of frontage with two homes, tennis court and 2 large garages, cost is not a question that generally comes up! Just to give you an idea of what is possible, at that point personally I would just build a boathouse. Last edited by jmen24; 06-26-2014 at 04:13 PM. |
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Getting a boathouse approved these days is no small feat.
Sounds like that was a complete rework of an existing dock, they would not permit that if it was an attempt at a new installation. 6' is the normal width allowed. I don't think the cost of docks has really increased that much since mine was done. We had a 3 finger crib dock 30' long extending from a 6' walkway along shore. With composite decking I think we were about $35k ($7k in composite alone). This allowed our outer slips to be 36' long from shore, not that you can really park your boat that close... Make sure you have a full 12' width between the posts in the U. Ours was 11'4" between which limited us a bit on bigger boats. Our Monterey had a 10'6" beam, it was a snug fit. |
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There are several Boathouse that have been newly constructed or are being constructed on the north side of the lake..... Similarly if a justification is made the 6' width limitation also disappears... It all depends on how much time and money you have to negotiate with DES, and the Town...... I will agree that if the average home owner tries to go out side the prescribed norms that they will indeed run into resistance, and probably doesn't have the money to provide the study, and engineering information to allow a outside the norm project to happen. Bottom line is throw enough money at it, anything is possible.....
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I disagree. Throwing money does not make the state officials change their minds. A boathouse is allowed today, but only a certain size and that is it. We built one almost three years ago and we built the largest size allowed and it is not very big.
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That is the difference between the owner of a vacation property that is valued by the town at 8 figures and the average water front owner. The former rarely throws money at anything! I am not sure what you consider a big boathouse, but this one was build only a few years ago. http://www.nhhomemagazine.com/July-A...f-a-Boathouse/ |
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The biggest boathouse allowed when we built was 900 Sq. Ft. I doubt the rule has been changed in the last couple of years.
Marriotts fought the state for a few years and ended up losing. |
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Repair Permits
A few years ago I had some winter damage to a piling. I contacted a local company and was quoted $1,200 for the permit and $500 to replace the piling.
I contacted DES and was told how to go through the permitting process using a PBN. (Permit by Notification) I completed the form myself, submitted it with a couple of pictures, and received a permit to do the repairs. The entire permitting application process took less than 2 hours and by doing it myself I saved $1,200. When money is no object it is fine to hire professionals to help you but for most of us saving a few dollars and learning something in the process is much better! |
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Boathouses have not been allowed in Moultonboro for over 10 years. Restriction applies to all three major lakes: Winnipesaukee, Squam, and Kanasatka.
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It just makes me shake my head when homeowners say, this is not allowed or that can't be true, when in fact projects that far exceed the written guidelines are being built all the time. |
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That project also included construction of a boardwalk through forested wetlands to access the frontage, filling of forested wetlands to relocate an existing access road. Everything about that project exceeded the written guidelines and was made possible due to proper study ahead of time and knowing that the approval process in this state does not end at the first person you talk to at DES. Last edited by jmen24; 06-26-2014 at 08:39 AM. Reason: Added Info |
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I would like to see that in writing.... because right now there is one being constructed on Pleasant Island...... Which I believe falls under the jurisdiction of Moultonborough....
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What you are looking for is outside the normal scope in the written guidelines for a dock in NH. The price could be as inexpensive as putting in a crank up dock (not that that is really considered inexpensive, but is a starting point) and not dealing with all that is required for a non-conforming permanent dock... or it could be a number considerably higher than that! Each site is unique and each situation is unique and hopefully you got the picture that you should not listen to what your neighbors say is possible or allowed. How bad do you want it? The process for permitting at a minimum for a new dock will take a few months, non-conforming depends again on the site and what qualifies it to be non-conforming... it's a give an take sometimes. |
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If it's the Pleasant Island over near Long Island and the 6-pack, then it's in Tuftonboro. See tax map attached.
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Boat Houses
I did not think boat houses were allowed anymore over existing water. I thought they were only allowed over land that could be dug out. Always sounded strange to me. Also, I thought crib docks were no longer allowed as well.
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Our boathouse was built in 2009. That person was lucky, they must have gotten in under the old rules. |
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I also was under the impression that boat houses were no longer allowed at all unless there was one on the site previously which would make it grandfathered in...
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You are right. The land has to be dug in, they are not allowed over existing water. And we therefore changed the shoreline so our other building had to be 50 feet in from the NEW waterline.
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I think all it takes is a lot of money and a good lawyer to build anything you desire.
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Back to the dock. Call Watermark Marine if your serious about a dock. They do good work and show up when they say they will. Can't say as much for other outfits on the lake I have dealt with. But as mentioned above it costs plenty of money for the permanent dock. The permit from the state was $1200 alone and there were other fees and costs paid to the town etc that ran it up to $2,000 quick. It also takes a fair amount of time (several months) between when the application gets filed and when the approval comes in. |
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I disagree. I don't think you can buy your way around the state rules. Maybe if you are the governor or someone in power in the state?
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So your saying you can build a NEW boat house over water on lake Winni and the land does not have to be dug in?? What tis went through is incorrect then??... because that is the exact way it was described to me when I inquired with someone I considered a reputable contractor on the lake.
Have you built one recently Jmen on lake Winni? I would like to hear Shorefront confirm that can in fact build new over water boat houses on the lake without digging in. Very interesting if true... Dan
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While all the money in the world may not buy you forgiveness! A good allocation of capital (and patience) at the beginning could certainly buy you approval!
That is the lesson that Marriott learned. He felt the rules didn't apply to him and he found out wrong! The owners of the linked boathouse received the approval for their work from the Executive Council for the Governors Office. That is the last stop before heading to a court. |
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It is quite common for towns to have "tighter" zoning regs than the state, New London is one such town in regard to shoreland zoning, but to flat deny the ability to conform to the state prescribed regulations of an approved structure on state controlled waters, seems bold! Do you know the reasoning behind that decision? |
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It's all good! Jeremy By the way: I try very hard to live in the actual, not in the "I think" or "I heard" areas of what is allowed in residential construction. Many people take exception to an idea or activity that is slightly different than a choice or decision they made regarding their own home. I am not of the mindset to give someone bunk information. My black or white way of thinking rubs some people the wrong way, but I do not make excuses for my convictions or responsibilities. I have apparently become a target for some recent posts that disagree with "popular" members, which is to be expected I guess. |
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To the best of my knowledge, no towns that did not have Squam frontage were pressured to ban boathouses. Personally, I always thought that boathouses were fine and thought the ordinance was not necessary. In fact, hasn't it been proven that boathouses built over the water rather than dug into the land cause no ecological/environmental problems? |
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Thank you Little Bear, I will now gracefully fall on my sword .... Ouch... And apologize to Sue Doe-Nym, who is apparently correct about a ban on new boat houses in Moultonborough.
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