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Since you asked--I worry that you and other covid deniers have been inundated with misinformation on the internet, and are now pushing that same misinformation here. I feel compelled to call out the misinformation
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When I see people not wearing a mask I wonder... Do they not have a doctor? Do they ignore their doctor?
During a recent check up I asked my doctor what I should do about Covid. His answer "wear a mask, social distance, wash hands and get vaccinated asap." If anybody answers that their doctor told them the opposite, quite frankly, I don't believe you. |
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My opinion certainly has nothing to do with who is or was the president. I am intelligent enough to do my own research and form my own opinions without the help of the media or politicians. Unlike yourself.
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But the question we should be asking is do the vaccines actually WORK? If vaccinated then you SHOULD be protected against getting the virus (maybe not 100%, but a high percentage of protection)...and you don't "shed" or "spread" if you don't have the virus. But if we are told by the "experts" who are pushing the vaccines that we should continue to do exactly as we have been for the last year even after being vaccinated (mask up, social distance, etc.), then someone is selling us a bill of goods...or they fear not being reelected. It works or it doesn't. And I have a hard time believing that the experts we have all been listening to don't know by now. They are, after all, the "experts." |
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This thread is getting a little out of control. Lifting of the mask mandate is really for outdoors which is fine because it's easier to keep your distance from people
Most indoor businesses will still require you to wear a mask. If you can't abide by those rules then don't go in. The cost of closing for 2 weeks if an employee gets Covid or comes in contact, far out weighs the cost of losing a few customers that refuse to wear masks. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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So...the whole world has been duped into wearing masks? The governments of the world and their peoples have been duped by a massive fraud of an unprecedented scale? Masks don't work. Yet you are required to wear them in many countries around the world. And when I say 'required' I mean you are fined heavily for not wearing one. Seems a tad aggressive for something that has 'no basis in science' and has been 'proven' not to work or be 'worth it'. But I guess if Tucker says it, than it must be so.
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Oh, that's right -- I have a different viewpoint on this subject so I must be, well -- governed by a media personality and ignorant in general. Aren't you the least bit skeptical? And for the record, I don't watch Tucker or any other "news" channels in the evenings. No network, either. Usually I am watching something on BritBox or AmazonPrime by 7 pm. |
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His misinformation was that there was not a hint of scientific evidence that supports masks, and he persisted in this even after being shown by Think much more than a hint. He then went on to assert that articles published in a leading medical journal are no more valid than any other opinion. This fundamental denial of science is both sad and dangerous |
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Being new to this forum and getting attacked on my very first post on this topic makes me wonder what you folks do all day? Relax. Life is good. Wow! This is like being with my radicalized liberal college aged nieces over the holidays. Disagree with them and they try to shame you to death.
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So at what point will masks no longer be needed?
What criteria is to be used to say - you don't have to wear one any longer? Is it when each and every US citizen has been offered the vaccine? We seem to be getting close to that point as some states are already offering to anyone over 16 and have open appointments. I'm guessing that some will never get the vaccine - are we to wear masks for those that by their own choice, choose not to get it? Truth be told - I'm a mask wearer (easy thing to do at least for me) but just curious, what are the specific set of events or metric's that will change this dynamic? |
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It's all statistics. If I'm vaccinated you are LESS likely to infect me (whether you wear a mask or not). If I'm vaccinated and wear a mask you're EVEN LESS likely to infect me, but you still can !!! If we are both vaccinated and both wear mask those are the BEST ODDS of infecting each other. But it's still possible. Sure the odds are low. But what if we are passing that new strain and it gets into a community that has less protection. It mutates and then comes BACK and our vaccine no longer work. NOTHING is 100% We have no idea how effective the vaccines are on ALL the new strains out there now and the NEW ones that WILL come. It's like a smoldering fire. After the fire is "Out" you drown it with more water and wait an hour to make sure it's out. With COVID there are cinders still burning with tons of fuel left. Don't walk away now and assume it will burn out. It MIGHT, but it might not. Why take ANY chance? This is NOT ABOUT YOU. It's about ALL of US. If we use EVERY thing in our power, the sooner and more likely we can get it under control. If you decide to get on the highway with no brakes. Are you risking your life or everyones? This is no different. What you do, does effect others. And if you do get sick you burden OUR hospitals and our tax dollars to try and save you. You live in a COMMON WEALTH and we are in this TOGETHER whether you like it or not. Last edited by mswlogo; 04-20-2021 at 11:59 PM. |
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And oh, by the way, here’s an excellent article demonstrating why masks don’t work: https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy |
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For Christ sake, no minds are going to be changed here no matter what poll or study is dredged up from the internet.
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Given that "alternative facts" is a thing, perhaps so. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Not an excellent article, but an example of pseudoscience. Picking quotes out of the broader context within an article that seem to prove ones opinion is not science. I suggest you fact check your sources. https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/b...-pseudoscience Sent from my iPad using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
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One more with your morning coffee. Can’t smoke with a mask on. Is it smoking or no mask?
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Now, about your analogy on smoking - this makes no sense. If you had said that you went into an establishment, lit up a cigarette and tried to force everyone else to smoke, then it would have been a valid analogy to what the pro-maskers are doing. |
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In no way do I condone individuals confronting other people about not wearing a mask. It’s easier to just move along and away from the unmasked person. The exception is if you’re in line at the store and the unmasked person is standing close behind you, which is creepy even without covid. As I said in another post, if that happens to me, they get the hairy eyeball. If the unmasked person is in front of me in line, I just keep my distance. Sent from my iPad using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
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Sounds to me that it is a lose- lose situation for businesses in NH. If they require patrons to wear a mask, do most anti maskers decide to follow the store rules or go elsewhere with their business?
For businesses that do not require masks, non-mask wearers will utilize their services, however many customers who would otherwise have done business with them decide to not shop at those stores. Which choice would you make if you were the business owner? |
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Leave the sign on the door that says masks required but don't enforce it. It's not worth an argument with a customer since it is no longer law.
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Can someone remind me what phase NH is in? Is social distancing still required in restaurants? I’ve been in Florida for the majority of the pandemic. Requirements vary by county, and since I’m in the Four Corners area (where Lake, Orange, Osceola, and Polk counties meet), the requirements differ amongst places I frequent. Even within the counties, different businesses have different requirements. Few restaurants are social distancing. I do what I am comfortable with by observing what’s going on within each business. At this point, that includes going to and partaking in karaoke. That’s because I am a social creature and need that interaction. What good is a sound body without a sound mind? Sent from my iPad using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
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If I were to own a NH business I would not require masks. The people who want to wear would still be able to wear them
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Would seem that we should be able to forecast such a date. What if an employee refuses to get the vaccine - interesting dilemma? |
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If the other employees have been vaccinated, what are they risking? They have been protected with the vaccine. The individual who refused the vaccine is the one taken all the risk
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Third option. Government Keeps the mandate to wear a mask. Business owner follows the law. non-mask wearers have no issue because they are simply following the law. And the mask wearers are happy. A few non maskers will be concerned with their tan lines and not go, but most would go. Doing what governor did, basically is open season road rage, and causes the lose-lose situation you describe and is exactly the point I was making. I guarantee it's gonna get ugly now. This thread is a perfect example. |
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The unspoken truth in this entire thread and similar threads in this forum for the past year is that the differences between pro- and anti-mask wearers are profound and probably immutable:
These orientations run so deep that there is very little chance that a person will "switch sides" in mid life. They are part and parcel of who we are. For many people, these ways of thinking and being originated in childhood, where we came from, who our parents are. Some may break away from their social and political roots, but by the time you're in your mid twenties, you've probably chosen a camp and intend to stay there. Is there any hope of repairing this divide, before it destroys us? (Because it WILL destroy us, whether through this pandemic or the next or, certainly, the climate crisis.) We're sort of out of time. The vast social changes that are needed take centuries, millennia, or maybe we just don't have it in us as a species to come together and solve these massive crises ever. We would need to develop such a high level of social cooperation that our desire for survival of the SPECIES would outweigh our individual desire for self-preservation at the expense of the species. The fatal flaw in humans is that the instinct for individual preservation is built into our genetic makeup, but not the awareness that in order for us to survive individually, our species must survive. That in a nutshell explains why people are unwilling to wear a mask to protect other people. They don't understand that if hundreds of millions of people get sick and die, eventually they themselves will either be killed by the virus or they will suffer some other grave consequence through economic collapse, collapse of the food system, social chaos, etc. I'm not a philosopher. For a take on these questions from a real philosopher, this 2020 book looks well worth reading: The Precipice: Existential Risk and the Future of Humanity, by Oxford University philosopher Toby Ord https://www.amazon.com/Precipice-Exi.../dp/0316484911 Last edited by SailinAway; 04-22-2021 at 02:24 AM. |
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April 22, www.nytimes.com ....... Do We Still Need to Wear a Mask, Outdoors? ..... in the middle of the front page ..... is a good long look at this issue if you are bored out of your mind right now, and have nothing better to do.
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According to several recent surveys, about 85% of people identifying as Democrats will seek vaccination and only about 45% of Republicans will.
You can quibble whether mask wearing works and maintain that the mask debate is not primarily political. But what is the explanation for the above if not political? If that few Republicans are vaccinated, it will be very difficult to achieve herd immunity. If that is the case, the consequences will be tragic, particularly as it is preventable. My take is that the surveys are wrong in the same way the voting for Trump surveys often turned out incorrect. Many polling analysts believe that people identifying as Republicans often voted for Trump while answering they would not and Democrats would say they would not, when they did. If the vaccination polls ARE correct, how is the split NOT political? Is it true that the majority of Republicans are against vaccination?
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That is not what Flying wrote and not what he meant. And I DO know what he meant. Those darn adjectives really do count.
You may not agree with him at all...but you can’t argue with what he did not say.
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If you keep messaging the way you currently do then yes you will never bring me over to your way of thinking. Putting down the side you do not agree with will never accomplish anything. So in summary it is also up to you.
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My Dermatologist was wearing the standard rectangular mask, but it was looped only at the top corners. (...and hanging loose at the bottom corners). ![]() ![]() But if everybody wore a similar mask, we'd all be in compliance, and we wouldn't hear threats from D.C. enforcing the cancelations of 4th of July gatherings. ![]() Nor news from Canada about fencing off a church, and adding guards. (200 by one account). ![]() https://globalnews-ca.cdn.ampproject...rom%20%251%24s |
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You are assuming it was transmitted by a non masked customer, are you not? Can I assume the employee contacted it from a family member or peer group? You don’t name the establishment and I have not heard of one being closed in this area so am I to believe you? With that said, if the establishment was following all protocols and still got a positive exposure shouldn’t that tell you everything that is being done won’t stop a virus.
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We will be waring Masks out of doors again soon. We are still too far from having Covid-19 infections under our control.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...-mask-n1264937
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Counterpoint from WMUR of all people https://wmur.com/article/positive-tr...mbers/36203464
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FAKE NEWS.. Do not wear mask, Do not get vaccinated
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Would be nice for the government to tell us what exactly has to happen where we do not have to wear masks. It is not realistic to say when there are no more infections or to force people that don't want it to get it - that is simply never going to happen. Most likely, the government's projection of the population that they expect to get shot is going to fall way short. I personally don't see a lot of very low risk 16 year olds getting an emergency use shot with no track record but who knows.
At some point in the coming future, when everyone that wants the vaccine has been offered it and it was available to them (now with paid time off to get one) with a time buffer for the 2nd shot, I'm not sure I see why masks are still a factor after that point. Of course we call all pick whatever group we like to try to blame on for not getting the vaccine... In the end, someone's body, someone's choice. Who are we protecting after that point by wearing a mask? Once the state starts to say > We have vaccine supply but no longer have material volume of people asking/waiting for it - is it not time to take the mask off OR are we waiting for something else that we are not being told OR are we trying to protect those that choose to never get the vaccine? |
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Those people that think that they know better, still do so. Just look at the every day death toll...
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If you feel better wearing a mask, then wear one!!
That being said, do masks prevent transmitting or getting the virus? I’d have to say they do not. I am not a doctor and I do not have a degree in any of the medical sciences. What I do have is practical experience. Last November I worked with a coworker from another department, on a project. We were both in good health and both wearing masks. We were in close proximity of each other for about an hour. Two days later we were again working together, for about an hour, both still feeling fine, still wearing masks. The next day he started feeling sick, I was ok. The following day he tested positive for Covid-19 as did a couple of others in his department. The following day I started feeling ill, got sicker over the weekend. Monday, I called in sick at work. I was told to get tested as there was a breakout at work. I tested positive the next day. I can’t guarantee that I got it from him, but no one else around me has had the virus. And I hadn’t been anywhere or been in any crowds. Even though I don’t think that masks do a dam thing, I wear one in public. Why, to make others feel comfortable. Now the real question here, is how many miles we have walked getting out of our cars to go into a store, getting to the door and saying, ****!! My mask! Turning around and getting it…………………………………………………. |
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Think of what it takes to get someone into and out of a cult. They have to experience a complete shift in their identity. Getting people out of a cult is very, very difficult because people feel psychologically threatened when you present them with facts that are counter to their built identity. Very few people are willing to consciously sit down and think through their system of beliefs---what it's built on, whether it serves good or bad purposes, whether it works for themselves and others. The forces that maintain beliefs are subconscious. It takes a strong act of will to examine your beliefs point by point and be open to the possibility of changing them. Religious beliefs are an example of this, but in recent years political beliefs have become associated with very strong emotions to an extent that wasn't really the case in past eras. When the emotions become externalized---like at a political rally---the adrenaline rush pretty much rules out any possibility of introspection about your beliefs. Even in this forum, people make strong public statements affirming their identity. Every time you thank a poster, you're affirming your identity---always the same predictable group of people, affirming the same beliefs. There's really no retreat from that because now your public image is on the line. You can't say, "You know, I was thinking about my reasons for why I don't want to wear a mask. I guess I was only thinking my own needs. I decided that I do owe it to others to not make them sick if I'm infected, so I've decided to wear a mask. I regret that I may have unknowingly exposed people to COVID by not wearing a mask." I think we need to be realistic about the extent to which people can change their beliefs and behaviors. Apparently people only change when they're faced with a monumental catastrophe. The sad truth is that the death of 570,000 Americans due to COVID-19 is not monumental enough. The current status of the climate crisis is not monumental enough. If you walked out your front door tomorrow and discovered that half of the people in your town had died of COVID---the plague wiped out half of Europe in the 1300s---and the temperature was 120 degrees in December, I dare say that would be monumental enough to change your beliefs and behaviors. The question is whether there is a midpoint in the size of the catastrophe that will change people's behavior in time to reverse a crisis. We haven't reached that point yet with COVID and we may have already passed the point where effective change is possible with the climate crisis. I'm not putting you down. I'm making observations about human nature that apply to you and me both. |
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"As of April 20, when about 87 million Americans had been fully vaccinated, 7,157 breakthrough infections were reported to the CDC. The majority were among women (64%) and nearly half were among those older than 60 (46%). There were 498 hospitalizations and 88 deaths among those cases."
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the Gov reminded everyone that ALL restrictions from the State end May 7th. Then it is up to businesses to decide what they want to do. And then the public can make their own decisions to spend money there or not - the way it should be
obviously you have some municipalities in the state doing their own things as well but from a state perspective they are done May 7th
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I think that many republicans basically don't trust government. They prefer small government, a light hand and not being told what THEY have to do. I can't really say I blame them, in some instances, government has really screwed up. But sometimes you have to take a chance. If they don't join in, we are gonna be in trouble. There is gonna be some portion that doesn't get vaccinated. Say 10% (due to access, communication, illegal immigrants, what ever). But if half the republican's don't vaccinate that would bring us to around 65%. That's not good. There are signs that the polls are correct. That the vaccination rate is slowing down in the USA. That is partly due to the J&J pause (limited supply and made nervous people even more nervous). It really is amazing that we have 3 good vaccines available. I read one good article on the J&J pause. Basically saying the odds of you getting the blood clot from J&J is 100 times less than it is that you get into a serious car accident getting to the location of the vaccine. One positive note regarding masks in NH. I was in all my usual spots in the lakes region this past Thursday - Sunday. And mask wearing was about the same. Went to Polly's. We ate in, huge space between tables, masks required on the entrance, yes we removed masks to eat, all staff masked ![]() |
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A leading medical publisher has retracted an often cited article, including the dangers and ineffectiveness of masks, which has been referenced on our forum. The author is not who he said he is among other other serious issues raised. Stanford University has also confirmed this.
One link if you’re interested in beating another dead horse. https://retractionwatch.com/2021/04/...d-affiliation/
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