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12-20-2005, 02:30 PM | #1 |
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Time to Stop Talking and Start Writing
Regardless of what anyone's personal opinions are on the reasons for or effectiveness of HB162, at the end of the day, it will (or at least should) come down to what NH's citizens want for their lake. This is why NHRBA is working feverishly to try to get "Out of Staters" to start "Encouraging any and all NH residents to contact their reps."
(see http://www.nhbassfederation.com/mess...s.asp?iMsg=447) So it is more important than ever that we, the vast majority of NH's citizens, also contact our reps and senators to make sure they feel our overwhelming support for this bill too. Although NHRBA representatives claim that the majority opinion is not that important and should not decide this issue when they post here, they are clearly recognizing the criticality of this factor elsewhere when they say things like "the consistent message I get from the reps are (sic) that they need to hear from the consituents, NH residents, paper letters are the best". and "We have a serious concern in the Moultonboro area, those residents should really contact Rep Patten and voice their concern, I feel she might be speaking on the house floor. Her address is: 46 Patten Hill Rd., Moultonborough, NH 03254-2657" The legislature will start to debate this issue right after the holidays and it might come to a vote very quickly thereafter. So let's please all take Custie's advice too and write to our reps (and senators) to voice our opinions as well, especially Rep Patten. As Custie says...write a letter, not an email. And when you stop by the post office to send out those last few Christmas cards, invest in a big roll of stamps so you can write to every rep and senator statewide. All 400 reps and all 24 senators. It will be well worth the time and effort. Keep in mind that what the opponents lack in population, they have in dollars, and they will likely be threatening to hold back campaign contributions. So if you have ever contributed to or supported a campaign, make sure you mention that so they will know we are not just voters. Your legislators' street addresses can be found at; http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/ie/whosmyleg/ All the others can be found at; http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/ie/h...rs/default.asp Make sure the letters are individually signed. Set aside a day over the coming holidays for this, you know these opponents who have been recruited by these "out of staters" will. In the end, our dominance in numbers will prevail over their dominance in volume, money, and intimidation. PS: If your hand gets tired or you are running low on stamps, don't waste time on Rep Whalley, whose family sells high-speed watercraft, and who (of course) is the most active rep in Concord lobbying against this bill. Last edited by Fat Jack; 12-20-2005 at 02:32 PM. Reason: to correct a misspelling before the spell police caught it |
12-21-2005, 12:01 PM | #2 |
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You posted this on Dec 6, 2005: "I told myself I'd chime in on this forum only until it got hostile and offensive again. That seems to be the MO for your group. When someone disagrees with you or makes valid points that hurt you, you get nasty. I'm not going to be called a liar. You guys can go back to discussing the matter amongst yourselves now. At least that way, you are sure to win the "debate". It was fun. Bye" Oddly, it only seems hostile and offensive when you post. One could say it was a self fulfilling prophecy you described... Plenty of healthy and respectful debate otherwise. |
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My "out-of-staters" term was not meant to be derogatory. It was quoted directly from the post I mentioned. Sorry if it offended. I agree that anyone who pays taxes in NH or contributes to the NH economy has a right to influence this bill, whether or not they are resident, a registered voter, or a native. I just get tired of reading posts by the opposition on other forums that are specifically directed to out-of-state boaters or to national go-fast groups, while they pretend here that they are representing "NH's recreational boaters" (including the sailboaters and kayers depicted on their websites). Then they call me a liar. |
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I don't plan to contact my legislators since I am not all that riled up about this bill, and it won't make any difference to me if it passes or not. I have never felt I was in danger from a fast boat. VErey close call I have ever dealt with has been with people in "regular" boats who just were not following the rules. I have little faith in most citizens to make a good choice about things such as this, but hope our elected officials vote with their heads and not their emotions. The only reasons given thus far to support this bill have nothing to do with facts and everything to do with feelings. People feel sad because their neighbor was killed by a jerk who was driving a boat capable of high speeds, people feel the lake is scary (it is at times, but not due to speed, think Eagle Island on 7-4) people feel that speed kills, etc. No facts to show a true problem with high speeds, just feelings. I respect and fully understand those feelings but the realist in me says: "that's not enough". You have stated we should pass this law just to stop the quibbling and opining about what defines "excessive" speed. Do you honestly think this, or emotions, are a good reason to pass a law? Is this really a precedent we wish to set? What if the majority of the population is scared of young black men hooded sweatshirts? Would you really want a law outlawing them in the state? |
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Dear Senator,
I hope you will vote for the Speed Limit bill.
If you've followed Laconia Citizen headlines, there have been multiple accidents on New Hampshire's premiere Lake involving speed. Consider that just three accidents involved boats costing together over one million dollars—and weighing over 15 tons—produced passenger injuries and one acknowledged nighttime fatal collision. Our State's expenses in the search, securing, storage, forensics, and other investigations in just one single case cannot be lightly dismissed. Speaking for myself, I hope not to see these headlines—and such excess—again. If you've followed on-line sources, you'd have noticed that in 2004, Lake Winnipesaukee marinas once ran out of gasoline! Not surprising: Speed takes a lot of fossil fuel. Many speedboats will consume gasoline at the rate of one-gallon-per-minute, and some will put lead-additives into the fuel for peak engine performance. This is one of many undesirable combustion byproducts mindlessly added to waters that islanders depend upon as their sole water source. With fossil-fuel availability occupying so much of New Hampshire's collective concern, this speed limit makes environmental—and humanitarian—sense. I'm certain that even a modest start in the enforcement of the new law would be greeted warmly by peaceable lake users. We residents are anxious to boat in protected and drinkable waters that produce fewer headlines. Yours in New Hampshire, Acres per Second That's my letter...How does your letter read? Oh yeah...I forgot the letterhead: Last edited by ApS; 02-18-2006 at 02:57 PM. Reason: photo makes for a grand letterhead |
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Time Again to Start Writing
Based on the unofficial word from Concord, HB162 is in trouble in the Senate. The senators that I have spoken with indicate that they are feeling a lot of pressure to kill this bill. Apparently, groups like the American Watercraft Association, Jet Ski News, the Marine Trades Association, and the performance boat manufacturers, dealerships, and owners groups, have been conducting very strong and well-organized national campaigns to overcome this home-grown initiative. (see for instance http://www.jetwaves.com.br/NOTICIAS/...eed_limits.htm). If the citizens of NH don't rise up one more time and make a final effort to impress upon every senator how strongly we want reasonable speed limits on our lakes, we will lose yet again to these outside interests.
Below is a listing of our Senators including their addresses. I urge you to write a very concise, yet passionate letter to every one of them expressing your desire for passage of HB162. Be sure to include your home address, point out if you are a registered voter, mention your history of contributing to the campaigns of those who share your vision for NH, and sign the letter in ink. Senator John Gallus 292 Prospect Street Berlin, NH 03570-2137 Senator Carl Johnson 42 Dale Road Meredith, NH 03253-6802 Senator Joseph Kenney PO Box 201 Union, NH 03887-0201 Senator Robert Boyce 22 Frohock Brook Road Alton Bay, NH 03810-4314 Senator Peter Burling 20 Lang Road Cornish, NH 03745-4209 Senator Richard Green 15 Nola Avenue Rochester, NH 03867-3316 Senator Robert Flanders P.O. Box 1 Antrim, NH 03440-0001 Senator Bob Odell PO Box 23 Lempster, NH 03605-0023 Senator Sheila Roberge 83 Olde Lantern Road Bedford, NH 03110-4816 Senator Thomas Eaton 27 Pheasant Hill Road Keene, NH 03431-4339 Senator Peter Bragdon 20 Park Street Milford, NH 03055 Senator David Gottesman 18 Indian Rock Road Nashua, NH 03063-1308 Senator Joseph Foster 9 Keats Street Nashua, NH 03062-2509 Senator Robert Clegg 39 Trigate Road Hudson, NH 03051-5120 Senator Sylvia Larsen 23 Kensington Road Concord, NH 03301 Senator Theodore Gatsas 582 Chestnut Street Manchester, NH 03104-6052 Senator John Barnes PO Box 362Raymond, NH 03077-3062 Senator André Martel 237 Riverdale Avenue Manchester, NH 03103-7301 Senator Robert Letourneau 30 South Avenue Derry, NH 03038 Senator Lou D'Allesandro 332 St. James Avenue Manchester, NH 03102-4950 Senator Iris Estabrook 8 Burnham Avenue Durham, NH 03824-3011 Senator Charles Morse 18 Brook Hollow Drive Salem, NH 03079-1866 Senator Margaret Hassan 48 Court Street Exeter, NH 03833-2728 Senator Martha Fuller Clark 152 Middle Street Portsmouth, NH 03801-4306 |
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I urge you to write a very concise, yet passionate letter to every one of them expressing your desire for a VETO of HB162. Be sure to include your home address, point out if you are a registered voter, mention your history of contributing to the campaigns of those who share your vision for NH, and sign the letter in ink.
Take advantage of this list of addresses and make your vote count. They must hear the true feelings of the people not the scare tactics and fudged figures of a small group of people. Figures can be made to appear how ever you want. Senator John Gallus 292 Prospect Street Berlin, NH 03570-2137 Senator Carl Johnson 42 Dale Road Meredith, NH 03253-6802 Senator Joseph Kenney PO Box 201 Union, NH 03887-0201 Senator Robert Boyce 22 Frohock Brook Road Alton Bay, NH 03810-4314 Senator Peter Burling 20 Lang Road Cornish, NH 03745-4209 Senator Richard Green 15 Nola Avenue Rochester, NH 03867-3316 Senator Robert Flanders P.O. Box 1 Antrim, NH 03440-0001 Senator Bob Odell PO Box 23 Lempster, NH 03605-0023 Senator Sheila Roberge 83 Olde Lantern Road Bedford, NH 03110-4816 Senator Thomas Eaton 27 Pheasant Hill Road Keene, NH 03431-4339 Senator Peter Bragdon 20 Park Street Milford, NH 03055 Senator David Gottesman 18 Indian Rock Road Nashua, NH 03063-1308 Senator Joseph Foster 9 Keats Street Nashua, NH 03062-2509 Senator Robert Clegg 39 Trigate Road Hudson, NH 03051-5120 Senator Sylvia Larsen 23 Kensington Road Concord, NH 03301 Senator Theodore Gatsas 582 Chestnut Street Manchester, NH 03104-6052 Senator John Barnes PO Box 362Raymond, NH 03077-3062 Senator André Martel 237 Riverdale Avenue Manchester, NH 03103-7301 Senator Robert Letourneau 30 South Avenue Derry, NH 03038 Senator Lou D'Allesandro 332 St. James Avenue Manchester, NH 03102-4950 Senator Iris Estabrook 8 Burnham Avenue Durham, NH 03824-3011 Senator Charles Morse 18 Brook Hollow Drive Salem, NH 03079-1866 Senator Margaret Hassan 48 Court Street Exeter, NH 03833-2728 Senator Martha Fuller Clark 152 Middle Street Portsmouth, NH 03801-4306 .
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Thanks Jack, I didn't want to have to type all those addresses.
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Your welcome...I figured that since for every 1 of you who uses the info to write an opposing letter, 21.75 will be writing a favoring letter. So it was worth it. |
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I'd like to point out that, although I have always been Anti HB 162, your communications on this issue and that of the sound issue, have been the driving force in motivating me to contact all members of the Senate to further express my disdain for this bill. Thanks for the nudge and also for posting their names and addresses. SP |
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SP, But keep in mind what a small minority you are in. For every one of you that I inspire write in opposition to the bill, there will be maybe 22 that will write in support. I'll take those odds. Don't forget when you write to mention the "discrimination" issue...that one never gets old. I'm sure one or two of the Senators have not heard it yet. |
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Where are you getting your information to back up this claim? The same place that provides you the impetus to promote hb162? I've so far have stayed out of this debate, because I believe that "out of staters" are the ones who are pushing the passing of this bill. I know of no one who has lived here all their lives that thinks that a speed limit is the answer. It's been widely known for many years that the problem is all the tourists who do not obey or care about the laws that are already on the books and who also have a keen disregard for anyone but themselves. This problem is visible in alot of places, not just on the lake. And it's chalked up to progress, as alot of local folk depend on tourism for their livelilhoods. People put up with it, but do not approve of it. However, I believe that it's one thing to standby and watch the changes to the landscape and economy that tourism provides, but it's a whole different issue to then standby and watch transplants attempt to push their adgenda via the political process and their$$$$ Even if people like you have the right to do such. Therefore I must speak up for what I hold dear and have let my elected officials know my opinion on this subject. Which, btw is my desire for them to vote against hb162.
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My dad is a New Hampshire native. (his parents settled in nothern NH in 1920.) My grandmother (on my mom's side) was a New Hampshire native - and her direct line has remained in NH since 1658 - before it was even NH. So my line has been in NH for many generations. I totally diagree with you - I think that most of the people who are for the speed limit are NH residents. After all, these are our lakes.
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I stand by my last statement. So, again: Where are you geting your information to back up this claim?
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