So are Baja's and Fountains dead on Lake Winni

[JasonG]

I moved the Florida right around the time the speed limit law came into place. As we are moving back in a few months, my awesome wifey (her idea!) and I want to get a boat. We have always wanted a Baja Islander, 20 -23' bow rider. Not so much about going fast, but just love the style.

However, now that the speed limits are in place, has that pretty much ruined the Baja/fountain/performance boat market in the area?

[Water Camper]

I still see them on the lake !

Bill

[JasonG]

The dealer for Baja was Channel? Doesnt seem like they are anymore, or that Baja is even around much.

[laketrout]

Originally Posted by JasonG

I moved the Florida right around the time the speed limit law came into place. As we are moving back in a few months, my awesome wifey (her idea!) and I want to get a boat. We have always wanted a Baja Islander, 20 -23' bow rider. Not so much about going fast, but just love the style.

However, now that the speed limits are in place, has that pretty much ruined the Baja/fountain/performance boat market in the area?

Fountain dealer close by is Russo Marine in Mass if I am right and for Baja I don't know where there is one. Cigarette and go fast boats are still rumbling around the lake, I don't know anyone in my area that has ever gotten a speeding ticket, my bow rider does 58mph but I rarely go that fast.

[Woodsy]

Contrary to the Winnfabs hope.... Speedboats are alive & well on Lake Winni.

That being said, with the exception of Formula... there are no speedboat dealers on the lake.

Donzi, Fountain and Baja are all under 1 corporate umbrella now. There are plenty of used ones of all brands out there on craigslist or boat trader. Just make sure you get a survey done before buying....

Woodsy

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Contrary to the Winnfabs hope.... Speedboats are alive & well on Lake Winni.

That being said, with the exception of Formula... there are no speedboat dealers on the lake.

Donzi, Fountain and Baja are all under 1 corporate umbrella now. There are plenty of used ones of all brands out there on craigslist or boat trader. Just make sure you get a survey done before buying....

Woodsy

Plenty of good boating still going on!! There are 2 or 3 Baja Islanders on NH Craigslist. One thing about them is that I do not believe they have a head, if that is important to you.

There are a lot of good performing big lake bowriders out there. Everyone has their opinion, but I would go with a Duoprop for all around Winni boating. My 26' Wellcraft bowrider will run 56 or so and accelerate real well with a Bravo 3. With a Bravo 1 lower unit, I would likely get into the low 60s.

Finally, I would look for at least 22 degrees of deadrise at transom for better lake riding (note, the more deadrise, more fuel is needed to push that hull through the water).

[Webbsatwinni]

As long as you aren't out of control with how you drive, you will be ok. We should start a GSBVVQPBC "Go slow & be very very quiet performance boat club"! As stated above, there are many mid sized performance boats on CL and now that switchable exhaust is legal, you can get a performance boat that can still be legal on Winni and fun if you go other places.

[jst_4_kiks]

Speedboats are still very much alive on Winnipesaukee. Its the largest lake to enjoy. Braun Bay on the weekends still have numerous go-fast boats anchored there. The number of go-fast boats out number the number of patrol boats alot. Cant see them all everywhere on the lake.

[fatlazyless]

nh.craigslist.org/boa/4932878044.html

.... better hurry ... this one in Alton won't last long and the winter price will soon be going up-up-up!

... here's the same boat in a different ad with better photos nh.craigslist.org/boa/4906822021.html posted two months ago!

... maybe he can install a mast and two sails and sell it as a hybrid go-fast/sailboat so's it can sail back home when the motors conk out!

[HomeWood]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

nh.craigslist.org/boa/4932878044.html

.... better hurry ... this one in Alton won't last long and the winter price will soon be going up-up-up!

... here's the same boat in a different ad with better photos nh.craigslist.org/boa/4906822021.html posted two months ago!

... maybe he can install a mast and two sails and sell it as a hybrid go-fast/sailboat so's it can sail back home when the motors conk out!

That would be a loud ride. It would be cooler with two 4 stroke replacements but it's still odd looking with outboards.

[WakeboardMom]

Great deal on a great boat!

http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/4992542049.html

[fatlazyless]

...wow....what a steal of a deal.....if only it was a bow-rider with an open bow area so's a bass fish'n seat setup on an adjustable seat and a bow mounted trolling motor could be installed.....that could make a super-duper 27' bass boat.....probably could steal it for $9999. ....cash! ......Baja was a super nice, quality boat made by Mercury in Florida!

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

...wow....what a steal of a deal.....if only it was a bow-rider with an open bow area so's a bass fish'n seat setup on an adjustable seat and a bow mounted trolling motor could be installed.....that could make a super-duper 27' bass boat.....probably could steal it for $9999. ....cash! ......Baja was a super nice, quality boat made by Mercury in Florida!

Fll I bet you could drag a 12 foot skiff out from under the deck and stick a 115 tower of power on tbat bad boy for 1500 max

[polarisman14]

Originally Posted by Webbsatwinni

As long as you aren't out of control with how you drive, you will be ok. We should start a GSBVVQPBC "Go slow & be very very quiet performance boat club"! As stated above, there are many mid sized performance boats on CL and now that switchable exhaust is legal, you can get a performance boat that can still be legal on Winni and fun if you go other places.

When did they make switchable exhaust legal? If so that is good news!

[VitaBene]

It has been a year or so now. The noise restriction remains in effect.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by polarisman14

When did they make switchable exhaust legal? If so that is good news!

About two years ago, "Legality" arrived stealthily in a two-step process—not unlike the Trojan Horse.

•​​ First, citing the danger to officers in 100+ MPH "fly-by" exhaust noise testing, they changed the measurement to testing "exhaust noise at the dock". The result, naturally enough, was quieter readings for ocean-racers.

•​​ Second, they made the argument that now that now that boats have been proven quiet, they should be permitted to have "switchable exhaust". This new change meant that speedboaters can have a open exhaust until reaching their crowded or sleeping destinations, when they could go "silent" again—and annoy nobody.

While it is no surprise that they "forget" to put their switchable exhaust into "quiet" mode, that's how the law stands today.

More's the pity, as it's children whose hearing is mostly impacted.

The National Institute on Deafness and Other Communication Disorders reports approximately 28 million Americans have lost some or all of their hearing, including 17 in 1,000 children under age 18.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...



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[VitaBene]

Our hearing takes a bigger beating from leaf blowers and music than boats

[Woodsy]

APS...

READ THE RSA! GEEZ! Perhaps its just beyond your ability comprehend??

It such a simple thing... Yet you keep posting complete and utter falsehoods!

You have to pass the DB limit both in Quiet Mode or Open Mode... you are not EVER allowed to have an un-muffled boat! And get this.... they still have drive by noise testing!

Show me the RSA where you are allowed to have un un-muffled boat!! Wait you cant....

Woodsy

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

APS...

READ THE RSA! GEEZ! Perhaps its just beyond your ability comprehend?? It such a simple thing... Yet you keep posting complete and utter falsehoods!You have to pass the DB limit both in Quiet Mode or Open Mode... you are not EVER allowed to have an un-muffled boat! And get this.... they still have drive by noise testing! Show me the RSA where you are allowed to have un un-muffled boat!! Wait you cant.... Woodsy

I "comprehend" just fine. My feeble performance in mathematics courses was saved when I aced courses in Logic—which my school counted as "equivalent" to mathematics in points.

Back to "Performance Boat" noise:

The moment you "loaded" the engine you increased its noise. Think of the last time you stood behind a Harley when he accelerates his Diluvian artifact "quickly" from a stop.

The engine's "load" at the dock is going to be very much less than the drive-by tests. (And why drive-by tests are purportedly still in effect—NH's Legislators probably aren't aware of the overwhelming part that "load" takes in these tests).

The "load" at the propeller is heaviest at the extreme speeds that threaten other boaters' safety—as written in the NH Boaters' Guide. Too often (actually most of the time) the selection of "loudest" is made with the switchable exhaust. One can wonder why ocean-racers have their "Cowboy" image.

Three days ago, a neighbor and I were talking on my porch, when I interrupted by saying, "Here comes a noisy boat". Sure enough, a white deck/blue hull/white bottom boat came into view and passed within a quarter mile of my porch—and an NHMP boat—who was slowing at the time.

Upon realizing that the NHMP could be "trouble", he did a 180, and boogied back to The Broads—and on the way—put his switchable exhaust into "less objectionable" mode. (Although it's said here repeatedly that switching noise at speed is impossible).

Originally Posted by Vita Bene

Our hearing takes a bigger beating from leaf blowers and music than boats

The noise one hears within one's noisy boat is much more suppressed than the outdoor (and sometimes even indoor) environment disturbed as the intruder passes by peaceable folk.

Noisy boats "have fun" in the amphitheater of Lake Winnipesaukee's shoreline hills. Our hills announce the intrusion of loud noise well in advance of the intruder's arrival on the scene—and sometimes will echo the noise more than twice! This applies to aircraft and (particularly) fireworks as well.

The prior photo shows that even "Country & Western music" can be painful to little ears. Note the Confederacy uniform.

How about some "Consideration of others"?



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[Woodsy]

APS...

More crap! Where is the RSA?? Still waiting....

The reality is, Boat motors are under load at all times... there is no gearbox that allows the motors to "coast" along at a lower RPM like cars have. I know you have hard time with these things.. but there is this awesome thing called "google". You can find almost anything there.. including NH RSA's!

And if you were good in "Logic" you would be able to figure this out with a little research... instead of spouting crap.

Everyone gets that you don't like Hi-po boats.... but post facts! Post NH RSA's... Stop posting unrelated to Lake Winni hyperbole!

Woodsy

[ApS]

There is very definitely a "load" when you shift a powerboat from neutral to forward or reverse: the RPMs drop, and sometimes the engine will stall under the relatively small load of turning the standard prop.

Accelerating increases the load, and therefore the noise. Measuring noise at a dock gathers gobbledegook—instead of meaningful numbers. The Trojan Horse law snuck-in legalized noise that was formerly illegal.

Except now, scofflaws can turn their noisy exhausts on and off, and on again, as a couple of us noticed last Saturday.

[Woodsy]

APS...

Still haven't read the actual RSA's or SAF-C 400 yet? HAHAHAHA! Shocker!

Woodsy

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

APS...

Still haven't read the actual RSA's or SAF-C 400 yet? HAHAHAHA! Shocker!

Woodsy

He never lets facts get in the way of a (bad) argument!

[ApS]

The Lake's scofflaws don't care what's written in New Hampshire's RSAs.

I just report what I see and hear on the lake—the "not-news" is that there's no change in attitude of those who never had consideration for peaceable Lake Winnipesaukee boaters—or the peace that Lake Winnipesaukee brings to others.

[Woodsy]

oh please APS....

You choose not to read nor comprehend the RSA's & Saf-C 400. Just because you heard someone's exhaust doesn't mean they are scofflaws & law breakers.

You report what you want to report based on what you want to think... with absolutely NO BASIS in reality... other than you heard somebody's exhaust! and you think they switched it... neither are illegal!

Maybe you should actually READ the RSA's...

Woodsy