New Way to Navigate Wolfeboro?

[ApS]

NHDOT to the rescue!

Will it be a three-way stop, a traffic light, or a roundabout?

https://www.nh.gov/dot/media/video/p...-peak-hour.htm

DOT wants your input. Attend--starting 5:30 at Wolfeboro's Great Hall, Thursday, August 24.

It's the intersection at 109 and Elm Street. (Where there are no elms).

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by ApS

NHDOT to the rescue!

Will it be a three-way stop, a traffic light, or a roundabout?

https://www.nh.gov/dot/media/video/p...-peak-hour.htm

DOT wants your input. Attend--starting 5:30 at Wolfeboro's Great Hall, Thursday, August 24.

It's the intersection at 109 and Elm Street. (Where there are no elms).

Roundabouts are way more efficient and keep traffic moving!

Dan

[tis]

Originally Posted by ApS

NHDOT to the rescue!

Will it be a three-way stop, a traffic light, or a roundabout?

https://www.nh.gov/dot/media/video/p...-peak-hour.htm

DOT wants your input. Attend--starting 5:30 at Wolfeboro's Great Hall, Thursday, August 24.

It's the intersection at 109 and Elm Street. (Where there are no elms).

Pickering Corner is at So Main (Rte.28) and Center St. intersection. I think a roundabout would be much too small there and would be a nightmare.

[tis]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Roundabouts are way more efficient and keep traffic moving!

Dan

Except that you need more room IMO. Even if they take land from Brewster, which they will have to do, I can't imagine how it could be big enough. Trucks will be stuck there all the time.

[pondguy]

The roundabouts at the Weirs and in Meredith have been a great improvement to traffic flow.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by tis

Except that you need more room IMO. Even if they take land from Brewster, which they will have to do, I can't imagine how it could be big enough. Trucks will be stuck there all the time.

The rendition shown looks like land was used on the south side to increase size of roundabout…

Dan

[SAB1]

I think the roundabout idea has merit but…..there are two gas stations right there that would cause havoc. The Irving down below that toward back bay is the highest price around so everyone hits citgo and 3 sisters right where roundabout would go. Also the Carpenter school would really be a problem at hours of the day when they are letting kids in and out.

[ishoot308]

https://www.acsengineers.com.au/2016...raffic-lights/

[barefootbay]

How about a bypass as was originally proposed !

[TheTimeTraveler]

The intersection in question seems to be a serious problem four months per year, June thru September.

Does anyone have any traffic figures as to how many accidents occur at Rte. 109 and Rte 28 during the year by these two gas.stations? What percentage of those accidents occur during those four months?

Anyone remember the old IGA that used to operate there 60 years ago at the top of the hill in what was last used as a nail salon until recently?

[WinterHarborGuy]

There needs to be a solution, I agree.

The 2 gas stations can’t cough up land…and a roundabout, if engineered correctly, seems like the way to go.

Also, why is the video 9 minutes long…it’s pretty much static.

[jazzman]

Well, then there is the issue of the 9 (mostly), blind crosswalks in town. Even is there is nobody there you have to basically stop at each one to make sure someone isn't going to pop out between parked cars.

I mostly go down Friend street and around Back Bay to Crescent Lake Ave. That isn't great for the neighborhoods through that route.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by SAB1

I think the roundabout idea has merit but…..there are two gas stations right there that would cause havoc. The Irving down below that toward back bay is the highest price around so everyone hits citgo and 3 sisters right where roundabout would go. Also the Carpenter school would really be a problem at hours of the day when they are letting kids in and out.

Rotary! Traffic is most dense in the summer when there is no school.

[8gv]

When it comes to Roundabout I say Yes.

[SAB1]

Jazzman hit the next point I was going to make. The other issues are the center of town itself. The on street parking, total lack of parking and the crosswalks are a big problem that would plug up the round about I think and stop the traffic right thru the roundabout. The traffic coming up 109 into town would never get out into the roundabout once town backed up thru it. To fix the problem or at least partially fix it would be to elevate the crosswalks.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by Descant

Rotary! Traffic is most dense in the summer when there is no school.

The school is right there. While it may not be a long duration event of school getting out daily that road gets snarled daily there and it would impact the roundabout. Believe me I live in Tuftonboro and have to get around town a lot. All and all as mentioned above it’s really just July and August that are terrible.

[tis]

Originally Posted by barefootbay

How about a bypass as was originally proposed !

That is the best idea!

[tis]

Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler

The intersection in question seems to be a serious problem four months per year, June thru September.

Does anyone have any traffic figures as to how many accidents occur at Rte. 109 and Rte 28 during the year by these two gas.stations? What percentage of those accidents occur during those four months?

Anyone remember the old IGA that used to operate there 60 years ago at the top of the hill in what was last used as a nail salon until recently?

I wonder about the accidents also. That was Stinchfield's Market Basket you remember not IGA , but yes you are right, it was a food store.

I think people are just too impatient today. Yes, sometimes it's busy but you just have to wait a bit. It seems to me it's always been busy. It's just like people boating have to make wakes in no wake zones because they are in such a hurry they can't stand to slow down and take a deep breath for a change.

[tis]

Originally Posted by jazzman

Well, then there is the issue of the 9 (mostly), blind crosswalks in town. Even is there is nobody there you have to basically stop at each one to make sure someone isn't going to pop out between parked cars.

I mostly go down Friend street and around Back Bay to Crescent Lake Ave. That isn't great for the neighborhoods through that route.

That will happen, the neighborhoods will get busier.

[witchboat]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Jazzman hit the next point I was going to make. The other issues are the center of town itself. The on street parking, total lack of parking and the crosswalks are a big problem that would plug up the round about I think and stop the traffic right thru the roundabout. The traffic coming up 109 into town would never get out into the roundabout once town backed up thru it. To fix the problem or at least partially fix it would be to elevate the crosswalks.

I don't know about elevated crosswalks, But I agree traffic will get backed up thru the roundabout in the busy months

[Sue Doe-Nym]

FYI there are 23 crosswalks on Maim St. plus 4 on Center ST, which is why some people call Wolfeboro the town of crosswalks. There are two at the Main St. Center St. intersection which would be impacted.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

FYI there are 23 crosswalks on Maim St. plus 4 on Center ST, which is why some people call Wolfeboro the town of crosswalks. There are two at the Main St. Center St. intersection which would be impacted.

OMG, that is hilarious. I know there are a lot but never counted! A lot of the reason it's hard to get through town.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

FYI there are 23 crosswalks on Maim St. plus 4 on Center ST, which is why some people call Wolfeboro the town of crosswalks. There are two at the Main St. Center St. intersection which would be impacted.

A traffic circle would take a big chunk out of Brewster Field. Both gas stations would have to be bought and bulldozed. (Not that they add anything to the scene).

Backed-up traffic from downtown would snaggle traffic in the roundabout, so even the roundabout is untenable. Other than a bypass, the present traffic "pattern" will have to remain as it is, IMHO.

BTW: Pedestrians in those crosswalks make it possible for the off-street parking, Harmøny Coffee House, the restaurants, Bradley's, and the new condo-owners to return to Maim Street.

[upthesaukee]

BTW: Pedestrians in those crosswalks make it possible for the off-street parking, Harmøny Coffee House, the restaurants, Bradley's, and the new condo-owners to return to Maim Street.

Good one, ApS. I couldn't have described this intersection any better!!!!!

Dave

[The Real BigGuy]

Why are traffic lights not a viable option? Seems like they would alleviate issue of Center to S Main access due to traffic on S Main. I also think the blind cross walks are an issue. Maybe eliminate 1 parking spot before the cross walk to open things up for on coming drivers.


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[gokart-mozart]

Originally Posted by tis

Except that you need more room IMO. Even if they take land from Brewster, which they will have to do, I can't imagine how it could be big enough. Trucks will be stuck there all the time.

Concord, being home to many fans of European ways of doing things, has installed several roundabouts in the past few years.

The only thing is - they didn't make them big enough for snowplows.

I guess they thought global warming would take care of the whole snow thingie.

[tis]

Originally Posted by gokart-mozart

Concord, being home to many fans of European ways of doing things, has installed several roundabouts in the past few years.

The only thing is - they didn't make them big enough for snowplows.

I guess they thought global warming would take care of the whole snow thingie.

They just don't live in the real world sometimes, do they???

[John Mercier]

Are they smaller than the Meredith one?

I thought that one was sort of small having dealt mostly with the Alton one over the years.

I can see where the lack of need for maintenance on the lights with all that yellow blinking - or worse - when they go down can be a consideration.

[tis]

Alton (formerly traffic circle ) is ok because it's big enough.

[Roy_Hobbs]

Is this whole thing a solution in search of a problem? While the intersection in question can be tough if you are making a left onto S. Main, isn’t it maybe a minute or two max, and that’s only at certain times of the day. Have there been a lot of accidents?


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[ApS]

Originally Posted by Roy_Hobbs

Is this whole thing a solution in search of a problem? While the intersection in question can be tough if you are making a left onto S. Main, isn’t it maybe a minute or two max, and that’s only at certain times of the day. Have there been a lot of accidents?

If you're first in line, it's not particularly long at all: But traffic eventually backs down the hill behind you (to Dunkin'), so you're given two choices to get home--a left past Dunkin', or a right past Irving--to try to merge into the same traffic again.

Every logging truck guarantees a major backup to Wolfeboro Falls' two shopping centers.

Originally Posted by jazzman

Well, then there is the issue of the 9 (mostly), blind crosswalks in town. Even is there is nobody there you have to basically stop at each one to make sure someone isn't going to pop out between parked cars. I mostly go down Friend street and around Back Bay to Crescent Lake Ave. That isn't great for the neighborhoods through that route.

Pedestrians "popping out" wasn't a problem before SUVs and oversized pickup trucks.

The Town forced the widening of Friend Street, which created a relentless stream of traffic through those residences.

ETA:

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Really? First it was "oversized" boats and now it is "SUV's and oversized" pickup trucks. What would make you happy? If everyone drove a Prius and did their boating in a canoe or a 14 foot Whaler? What would you say to the contractors who need the pickup truck to carry tools to do their job or the landscapers who need a full sized pickup to carry their equipment or pull a trailer? What about the families with a couple of kids and a dog who use their SUV because it is big enough to carry what they need to go on vacation? What would you say to the hundreds of families who enjoy the lake and sleep on their boat in a marina? In your world, do they not belong here?

i was boating on Winnipesaukee before there were Whalers...

I like how Europe does it--and they have children and dogs.

I didn't like that some streets were so narrow, I couldn't drive my rental Porsche 911 through them! Germany has regular trucks that have four-wheel steering on the four front wheels! Those trucks still manage most streets, off-roads, and arteries.

Rental 911 Porsches are cheap in Germany. You can even rent a 7-mile race track at Nürburgring, but you'll be sharing your rental car with hot motorcycles, 911 GT3s, and the occasional tour bus. I've spent two weeks, total, in "friendly competition" at Nürburgring.

"Looped 'shorts'":

https://youtube.com/shorts/rCygTl15zz8?feature=share

I searched a Ford dealer's used-car lot for a good Ranger pickup (in white). Of the dozen on the lot, none had doors or hoods that lined up. All must have been in a fleet, perhaps pizza delivery.

"Do you have something else" I asked. "Yes, we have this little Japanese pickup, but it's a dark color". So I bought it anyway. Twenty-five MPG and 190,000 miles later, it's still putting money in my wallet! BTW: This was in 1995... In two years, it'll be eligible for Florida's Antique plate!

Prior to that pickup, I managed with a 1971 VW Bus Westphalia Camper--which I still have. (Either will carry a dishwasher). Should my present truck fail me, I'll probably buy another used 1991 BMW--the most rewarding of all the 45 vehicles I've owned and restored. (The BMW? About $16,000, and still going up!)

My point being, even the VW would hide a pedestrian in a Wolfeboro crosswalk. (Hence, the "popping-out" issue mentioned earler by jazzman). So, some spaces should be reserved for small vehicles. In Florida, that includes golf carts!

The speed limit through downtown Wolfeboro is 30-MPH, and no one should try it on a summer's day.

Any police chase through Wolfeboro would've been memorable!

[tis]

Originally Posted by Roy_Hobbs

Is this whole thing a solution in search of a problem? While the intersection in question can be tough if you are making a left onto S. Main, isn’t it maybe a minute or two max, and that’s only at certain times of the day. Have there been a lot of accidents?


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I agree with you. I think people will find they wait just as long with a new solution as they do now.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by tis

I agree with you. I think people will find they wait just as long with a new solution as they do now.

Totally agree. It is what is. Roads were never designed to handle the volume of traffic. If you go to any other vacation land you run into the same thing. Heck look at Cape Cod. I look at as a two month inconvenience. If I need something in town you make the run in and out by 930 and it’s no issue. Having commuted 35 years in and out of Boston daily this is a very small traffic jam

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by ApS

Pedestrians "popping out" wasn't a problem before SUVs and oversized pickup trucks.

Really? First it was "oversized" boats and now it is "SUV's and oversized" pickup trucks.

What would make you happy? If everyone drove a Prius and did their boating in a canoe or a 14 foot Whaler?

What would you say to the contractors who need the pickup truck to carry tools to do their job or the landscapers who need a full sized pickup to carry their equipment or pull a trailer?

What about the families with a couple of kids and a dog who use their SUV because it is big enough to carry what they need to go on vacation?

What would you say to the hundreds of families who enjoy the lake and sleep on their boat in a marina? In your world, do they not belong here?

[tis]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Really? First it was "oversized" boats and now it is "SUV's and oversized" pickup trucks.

What would make you happy? If everyone drove a Prius and did their boating in a canoe or a 14 foot Whaler?

What would you say to the contractors who need the pickup truck to carry tools to do their job or the landscapers who need a full sized pickup to carry their equipment or pull a trailer?

What about the families with a couple of kids and a dog who use their SUV because it is big enough to carry what they need to go on vacation?

What would you say to the hundreds of families who enjoy the lake and sleep on their boat in a marina? In your world, do they not belong here?

And what about the big trucks that brings our supplies to town? Do we not want them to come so we can LIVE?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Really? First it was "oversized" boats and now it is "SUV's and oversized" pickup trucks.

What would make you happy? If everyone drove a Prius and did their boating in a canoe or a 14 foot Whaler?

What would you say to the contractors who need the pickup truck to carry tools to do their job or the landscapers who need a full sized pickup to carry their equipment or pull a trailer?

What about the families with a couple of kids and a dog who use their SUV because it is big enough to carry what they need to go on vacation?

What would you say to the hundreds of families who enjoy the lake and sleep on their boat in a marina? In your world, do they not belong here?

When it was just contractors, landscapers and other guys who actually needed pickups, there were a reasonable number of them. I trust you remember this time when most "civilians" drove cars, even with bigger families. But now with every soccer mom on her way to the mall or every guy who "needs" his truck to go to the transfer station once a week, it does get to be kind of ridiculous

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

When it was just contractors, landscapers and other guys who actually needed pickups, there were a reasonable number of them. I trust you remember this time when most "civilians" drove cars, even with bigger families. But now with every soccer mom on her way to the mall or every guy who "needs" his truck to go to the transfer station once a week, it does get to be kind of ridiculous

The Ford F 150 has been the number one selling vehicle in the United States for over 40 years. That hasn't changed. Yes, the sale of SUV's has climbed over the years but they are handy when you need them.

Two days ago I picked up a new dishwasher and brought the old one to the dump in my SUV. Try that with a Prius!

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The Ford F 150 has been the number one selling vehicle in the United States for over 40 years. That hasn't changed. Yes, the sale of SUV's has climbed over the years but they are handy when you need them.

Two days ago I picked up a new dishwasher and brought the old one to the dump in my SUV. Try that with a Prius!

They are talking of a time before 1980.

Ronald Reagan was famous for stating ''Let's make America great again"... you have probably heard this slogan rephrased in recent years.

Reagan was speaking of the Eisenhower Years.
They used two wheeled drive station wagons that sat lower.
We didn't really start to see the SUV four wheel drive craze until the Yuppie movement to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Even most pick-up trucks of the time were two wheel drive. They got around up here when the roads were much more "rural" and winters storms seemed to be more prevalent and debilitating.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by tis

And what about the big trucks that brings our supplies to town? Do we not want them to come so we can LIVE?

Do they park where they would block the view of the crosswalk?
I've never seen that on this side of the lake.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They are talking of a time before 1980.

Ronald Reagan was famous for stating ''Let's make America great again"... you have probably heard this slogan rephrased in recent years.

Reagan was speaking of the Eisenhower Years.
They used two wheeled drive station wagons that sat lower.
We didn't really start to see the SUV four wheel drive craze until the Yuppie movement to the Jeep Grand Cherokee. Even most pick-up trucks of the time were two wheel drive. They got around up here when the roads were much more "rural" and winters storms seemed to be more prevalent and debilitating.

From Kelly Blue Book January 4, 2023:
In a statement, Ford claims, “Ford F-Series will surpass 640,000 trucks in 2022, making it America’s best-selling truck for 46 consecutive years and America’s best-selling vehicle for 41 years.” Kelley Blue Book parent company Cox Automotive hasn’t released its own sales tally yet, but we have no reason to doubt that the king is alive.

[tis]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Do they park where they would block the view of the crosswalk?
I've never seen that on this side of the lake.

No, they have a hard time going through a roundabout when it is too small.

[John Mercier]

I think they were talking about the size/height of the vehicles now blocking the view lines to the crosswalks.
Large freight vehicles would be the design of the roundabout... and they seem to do OK in Meredith and Alton.

Tilton...
Take 2023 and subtract 46... you don't get 1959 or before.
You are simply making my point.

The Ford F100 sold less units in the 50s than sedans... and was sold as a two wheel drive that sat lower and could be seen over like any of the sedans of those days, which are bigger than today's sedans.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They are talking of a time before 1980.

In your post you quoted my post saying the F150 was the most popular for the past 40 years. You then said: They are talking about a time before 1980.

If you meant someone else by "they" please make it clear who you are referring to.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The Ford F 150 has been the number one selling vehicle in the United States for over 40 years. That hasn't changed. Yes, the sale of SUV's has climbed over the years but they are handy when you need them.

Two days ago I picked up a new dishwasher and brought the old one to the dump in my SUV. Try that with a Prius!

I'm not the vehicle police, and I'm glad you like your truck. But my reference to soccer moms was based on a widely cited study showing approx 2/3's of pickup owners use their bed once/year or less. These folks are just dressing up

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/...cowboy-costume

[John Mercier]

ApS and FlyingScot.

Before SUVs and four wheel drive became widespread...
That started to happen heavily in the late 70s and early 80s.

I even went to a four wheel drive for a time... but realized that I hardly ever put the vehicle in four wheel. All it did was make the bed higher and harder to get items into than my previous two wheel drive truck.

After I left the field, I didn't need the truck, and switched to a coupe, and now sedan, I get the building materials delivered; small items easily fit in the trunk.

[SAB1]

Not that it matters much ...but the SUV and 4 wheel truck boom was really born in the 90's. The 80's were dominated by the minivan.

[John Mercier]

1980s saw the rise of minivans.
But about 2 million units sold. The Ford Bronco alone sold over 500,000 in the 80s... and wasn't even the most popular SUV of the time.

By the 90s, the minivan began its rise to their 2000 peak unit sales... but had the addition of AWD - part of the crossover movement as SUVs moved away from a truck based platform.

[ApS]

It's only the left turn to South Wolfeboro that backs-up 109 traffic downhill to Dunkin'/Irving.

A single eastbound left-hand lane controlled by red lights and green arrow would improve backed-up traffic, which especially irks those of us with standard-shift vehicles.

However, there's also the risk that a three-car backup would delay traffic from downtown going up the hill.

Maybe a fly-over?



We'll know more tomorrow from The Great Hall!

[JayR]

The real issue here is whether it is a "roundabout" or "rotary" or even "traffic circle." I grew up calling them rotaries. Later on, I associated the word roundabout with the British.

We should all vote on this. The score so far is 1 for rotary, 0 for the others.

Also, to stay on topic, I hope they go with a rotary in Wolfeboro...I hated the one at Weirs when they put it in but now I'm happy it's there.

All more symptoms of the same issue, too many darn people!

[LoveLakeLife]

Rotary!!

You’re right, Jay. Roundabout is British, just like gobsmacked, holiday, and “in hospital”. In the U.S. it’s flabbergasted, vacation, and “in the hospital.” We talk American. lol


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[John Mercier]

We no longer get vacation time - just PTO.
And for most of us, we are allowed a holiday (one maybe two days off in a designate schedule - two being a rarity).

They terms roundabout, rotary, and circle seem to be interchangeable with circle being more commonly used in our area. But we know what the others mean.

[barefootbay]

Bypass !!!!

[fatlazyless]

Suggest you take a visit to Rt 3, Daniel Webster Hgwy in Meredith to see how much faster a roundabout intersection will move traffic than a stop light intersection as Meredith has both a busy roundabout and a busy stop light within one mile.

This is an obvious observation that the roundabout keeps traffic moving, albeit slowly, while the stop lights make it stop and go, with rapid stopping and starting.

So, which one is the better choice for Wolfeboro? Wolfeboro has the easy opportunity to learn from Meredith's major blunder, stop light intersection, when it could have been a roundabout, built in about 2012. In 2012 the NH-DOT strongly suggested a roundabout but unfortunately a Meredith town warrant vote supported the stop lights.

The argument was that a roundabout would divide the town in half while a stop light would have push button activated, pedestrian walkways.

[wolfegirl]

Originally Posted by ApS

A traffic circle would take a big chunk out of Brewster Field. Both gas stations would have to be bought and bulldozed. (Not that they add anything to the scene).

Backed-up traffic from downtown would snaggle traffic in the roundabout, so even the roundabout is untenable. Other than a bypass, the present traffic "pattern" will have to remain as it is, IMHO.

BTW: Pedestrians in those crosswalks make it possible for the off-street parking, Harmøny Coffee House, the restaurants, Bradley's, and the new condo-owners to return to Maim Street.

Looks like only a small section taken on the Brewster field side.

Hoping this link will work, as the .pdf documents (from this page, "Alternatives") shows the layouts.

https://www.dot.nh.gov/projects-plan...olfeboro-29615

Personally, I LOVE roundabouts/ rotaries / traffic circles. Considering huge seasonal difference in traffic volume on Rt. 28, the dynamism of the rotary is best option by far at 28/109. The layout works when no traffic and when tons of traffic.

Having been in the queue to 28 South, I would welcome a roundabout.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by barefootbay

Bypass !!!!

If you meant a "flyover", I'd suggest building that.

Two houses would need to be moved, but the flyover sounded good to two sisters I visited at the affected Sunoco station today.

But their first urging started with stoplights.

[tis]

Originally Posted by ApS

If you meant a "flyover", I'd suggest building that.

Two houses would need to be moved, but the flyover sounded good to two sisters I visited at the affected Sunoco station today.

But their first urging started with stoplights.

Are they upset about it?

[camp guy]

In all the postings about this topic I haven't once seen mention of what to me is a fairly simple solution - that being a uniformed, certified policeman stationed in the center of the Pickering Corner intersection directing traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) through the intersection. In the past, there was a policeman doing this, but that function seemed to go away some years ago. Also, let's not forget that this problem is highly seasonal, and it is about the resolve itself with the passing of Labor Day. Sure, there will be slow downs, but, honestly, in terms of time, we are talking very short time delays. What scares me is that now that the State is involved something is going to happen simply because the State feels it must do something, after all, why else would they be there? I'd rather see both Rt 109 and Rt 109A be reworked and resurfaced to provide a smoother and safer surface.

[John Mercier]

Because they are state highways?
I would presume that is why the State is involved.

The seasonal aspect of your solution presents a problem. Seasonal help is very hard to come by... and removing a full time officer to the location means that other areas of concern would not be covered.

Same issue that Marine Patrol is having.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by tis

Are they upset about it?

Not really. They liked the flyover idea, but now I realize it would have to be tall enough to clear 18-wheelers, which would take up too much space. A detour could be arranged, but it's the residents who would be justifiably upset.

[tis]

Originally Posted by camp guy

In all the postings about this topic I haven't once seen mention of what to me is a fairly simple solution - that being a uniformed, certified policeman stationed in the center of the Pickering Corner intersection directing traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) through the intersection. In the past, there was a policeman doing this, but that function seemed to go away some years ago. Also, let's not forget that this problem is highly seasonal, and it is about the resolve itself with the passing of Labor Day. Sure, there will be slow downs, but, honestly, in terms of time, we are talking very short time delays. What scares me is that now that the State is involved something is going to happen simply because the State feels it must do something, after all, why else would they be there? I'd rather see both Rt 109 and Rt 109A be reworked and resurfaced to provide a smoother and safer surface.

Do you remember when there was a cop downtown in the summer? And do you remember how much slower it made the traffic? I can remember when it was backed up everybody said: "The cop must be there."

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by tis

Do you remember when there was a cop downtown in the summer? And do you remember how much slower it made the traffic? I can remember when it was backed up everybody said: "The cop must be there."

I have never seen a situation where an officer directing traffic made it better…quite the contrary actually!

Dan

[tis]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I have never seen a situation where an officer directing traffic made it better…quite the contrary actually!

Dan

Exactly my point! And I also am willing to bet that neither traffic lights or a roundabout would make it better. Remember: Be careful what you wish for.

[fatlazyless]

From the Wikipedia reference on roundabouts ....... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout ...... way down the bottom under Safety, it says:

Statistically, modern roundabouts are safer for drivers and pedestrians than both older style traffic circles and traditional intersections.(73) Compared with these other forms of intersections, modern roundabouts experience 39% fewer vehicle collisions, 76% fewer injuries and 90% fewer serious injuries and fatalities (according to a study of a sampling of roundabouts in the United States, when compared with the junctions they replaced). At junctions with stop signs or traffic lights, the most serious accidents are right-angle, left-turn or head-on collisions where vehicles move fast and collide at high impact angles, e. g. head-on. Roundabouts virtually eliminate those types of crashes. Instead, most crashes are glancing blows at low angles of impact. Further, a study based on satellite imagery of all intersections in Australia observed consistently low speeds on roundabouts compared to other intersection types, contributing to reduced injury severity in case of a crash.(77)

Yes, and allow me to add that drivers in Wolfeboro NH, the oldest summer resort in the U.S.A., who use roundabouts on a regular daily basis will experience 88% fewer cavities in their teeth, as well, and have beautiful pearly white teeth...... ho-ho-ho .... ..... sorry, could not resist that one ...... and yuck-yuck-yuck! ....

[John Mercier]

It generally takes about ten years from the initial public input to when anything will actually be done.

It lets the younger generation set the course for the future of their town... but very few of them seem to give input.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

I have never seen a situation where an officer directing traffic made it better…quite the contrary actually!

Dan

In dark green "academy" uniforms, we were sent out to a busy intersection where the traffic lights were intentionally set to flashing red.

All we could was to make heavy traffic "fair"; otherwise, one stream of traffic (or the other) would dominate. Left turns would back up, slowing traffic to one stream.