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09-14-2004, 08:02 AM | #1 |
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Lake level and markers
I saw on another thread that "they" have started, or will soon start, lowering the lake level.
This year, I have to take the boat out either this weekend, or not until after October 8. Two questions: Will the lake have been lowered so much by mid October so as to make navigation overly dangerous? I'm especially concerned about the area extending from through the graveyard (or by Chase's Is.), all the way into Melvin Village Marina. When does Marine Patrol remove navaids? (Again, primarily concerned with the above referenced location.) Thanks! |
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Here is an excerpt of the DES press release regarding the 2004 fall drawdown of the lakes.
Not included in this schedule is Lake Winnipesaukee. Unlike the other lakes in this schedule, Lake Winnipesaukee is not purposely drawn down in the fall. Instead, each year on Columbus Day, the releases from Lakeport Dam are reduced from a normal minimum of 250 cubic feet per second (cfs) to a flow between 30 and 50 cfs for a period of up to two weeks to allow for maintenance of the dams and hydropower facilities on the Winnipesaukee River. The flow of 30 to 50 cfs is the minimum flow needed to maintain the downstream aquatic life during this period. By the middle of the fall, Lake Winnipesaukee is, on average, 15 inches below its springtime full level due to evaporation and releases from the lake that have occurred over the course of the summer. As a result of the reduction in the amount of water released from the dam after Columbus Day, the lake level does not drop for the remainder of the month of October and is generally maintained at this level through the month of December. Depending on the amount of snow on the ground in the winter, the lake level may be lowered further beginning in January to a depth of two feet below the normal full level. DES Press Release |
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Two questions: OK, three.
1) What "good" is done by the water released from Winnipesaukee?
Hydro-electric? Drinking water for Massachusetts? Recreation? 2) Why do swim-spaghetti-sized white foamy lumps mostly appear in September -- after the boating stops, and Winnipesaukee water starts to drain or evaporate? 3) Anybody notice the dull black "bathtub-ring" since the level has dropped on Winnipesaukee these past two weeks? And how "clean" the shoreline appears below it? |
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If you haven't been on this lake long, you would not remember about 6 six years ago, the whole lake was declared a no wake zone due to extreme amount of snow, causing an excessive amount of run off from the mountains forcing the lake level well above full lake. Not only was this an issue for boaters, of all types, but property owners as well. Natural erosion, property flooding, homes suffering flood damage and wild life around the lake loosing the natural elements for building homes/nests as much of it was under water. The lake has what is referred to as a "full lake" level and it is dropped in the fall to accommodate the spring melt and run off from the mountains. A2: Boating doesn't stop in September on this lake, it decreases due to all the vacation boaters and snow bunnies leaving for the season or not visiting as frequently. A3: That dull black ring as you refer to it as, is there every year when the lake is lowered. Is this ring you're speaking of on your property?? Around the western side of the lake the ring we have is more yellowish in color and is created from pollen. It's possible the ring you have is run off from your septic system indicating its failing. To answer the original question of this thread: Many local and weekend boaters use the Mount Washington's last cruise as an indicator when they take their boat out for the season (this year it would be October 23rd). It's not a bad idea to keep an eye on the long term weather forecast to see if there are any unexpected temperature drops that could cause freezing for a day or more (water in the boat motor(s) could freeze and cause damage). But if you're talking about now or October 8th, you should be fine with October 8th, and like I mentioned, keep an eye on the weather and if you are using a marina, chat with them to see when they can take the boat out (based on their schedule).
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Excellent post Outlaw-
I seem to remember that in 1984 the lake was also at an unusually high level. From the previously posted link: Lake drawdowns are conducted each fall to reduce winter ice damage to shoreline properties and to reduce spring flooding. Drawdowns also give property owners an opportunity to conduct any necessary repairs to their waterfront property http://www.des.state.nh.us/press/press090704.htm Quote:
It's hard to predict in advance how much water to release. Personally, I think that they (the NH DES) do a pretty good job of managing the lake level. Rob Last edited by Rob; 09-16-2004 at 01:41 AM. Reason: added link |
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We have a slip at MVM and usually take our boat out after Columbus Day. If you are concerned about the Graveyard, go around Melvin Island instead.
As the water drops, it gets very shallow across the sandbar outside MVM. Two choices here - go across on plane with the I/O up sightly or go at no wake speed with the I/O up. Looking at the Lake Level Chart under Bizer.com, the water is dropping faster than last year. |
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Actually Outlaw, I remember the no wake restriction in 1998. I had my bow rider in Back Bay in Wolfeboro. Although the spring runoff may have contributed it was the extensive rain we received in mid June that caused the lake to rise as much as it did, hence the no wake restriction.
There was plenty of good boating after ice out in April, May & the beginning of June before the rains came. It was mid July when the restriction was lifted. The no wake restriction was 4-5 weeks. |
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You are correct propeller
the incident was a result of a very heavy rain over several days that caused the no wake for the entire lake for a couple weeks, nothing to do with winter snow melt.
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1) What "good" is done by THE WATER RELEASED from Winnipesaukee? Hydro-electric? Drinking water for Massachusetts? Recreation? 2) Why do swim-spaghetti-sized WHITE FOAMY LUMPS mostly appear in September -- after the boating stops, and Winnipesaukee water starts to drain or evaporate? 3) Anybody notice the dull black "bathtub-ring" since the level has dropped on Winnipesaukee these past two weeks? And how "clean" the shoreline appears below it? OK. My boating tour today disclosed a satin black (scratch dull) "bathtub-ring" for miles and miles, including Rattlesnake Island. I was looking for a scientific explanation. (My "working theory" is petroleum-based deposits. I know...DUH) There was no yellow ring. The yellow pollen ring appears every year about June 12th, and gradually disappears over July and August. The lake was "overfull" in 1984 and 1998. I was here for both, and don't recall a no-wake restriction for 1984. We probably wouldn't have been concerned anyway, as we didn't own (by choice) a boat that would produce much wake. Last edited by madrasahs; 09-15-2004 at 09:14 PM. |
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"Gallagher said the drawdown releases nutrients into rivers from the lakes and reduces winter ice damage and spring flooding. Lakes usually return to their normal levels by spring." http://www4.fosters.com/September200...eg_co0909b.asp The lake is your drinking water. Quote:
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Yesterday was the NH Primaries, I certainly hope you were there, first in line, to cast your vote for the parties which can do something about the issues you hold near and dear. It's one thing to complain about local government, it's another thing to have voted and complain about government. Anyone can complain, but to not have voted and continue to complain -- in my book that translates to "no leg to stand on". To answer the original question of this thread: Many local and weekend boaters use the Mount Washington's last cruise as an indicator when they take their boat out for the season (this year it would be October 23rd). It's not a bad idea to keep an eye on the long term weather forecast to see if there are any unexpected temperature drops that could cause freezing for a day or more (water in the boat motor(s) could freeze and cause damage). But if you're talking about now or October 8th, you should be fine with October 8th, and like I mentioned, keep an eye on the weather and if you are using a marina, chat with them to see when they can take the boat out (based on their schedule).
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[QUOTE=KTO]The marine patrol doesn't ever take any markers, number bouys, or navigational helpers (whatever you wanna call these things) out of the water.QUOTE]
They do take all the lighted markers in after Columbus day weekend. Usually leaving the mooring in place with an old wooden marker. |
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I hope everyone voted! We did on our return from the lake on Tuesday. If you did not vote then shame on you. Not voting to me means you loose the right to complain about those things your voting rights give you.
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By the way, I NEVER knew that the number light bouys were taken out. Is this new since they all were replaced with lights (vs. the half non-light ones) Glad I know! Thanks! |
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I suppose I could have registered at a New Hampshire poll, but like others on this Forum, I'm a Non-Voting Taxpayer. You don't have to read too many New Hampshire newspapers to realize that students from Massachusetts and other states regularly vote in New Hampshire elections, often countermanding "The Voters' Will" -- locally and nationally. You also don't have to read very much to realize that New Hampshire is run by Special Interests and their Lobbyists -- often profiteers who don't have New Hampshire's (hence Winnipesaukee's) natural beauty (and other long-term interests) at heart. No thanks. My voting power -- such as it is -- is best reserved for another state, where mitigations and impact fees can rein in the chainsaws, chippers, pavers, and bulldozers -- and one that has real Enforcement -- not "enforcement on the cheap". Last edited by madrasahs; 09-17-2004 at 06:12 AM. |
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Been that way for a real long time. Do not know if the new lights will be any different, doubt it as they can save on 6 months of use and possible danger of being run over by snowmobiles as many of the bouys are.
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Sounds like scary fun, navigating in the dark. But hey, you'll probably go in the daytime more often, right? We should definitely be thankful that this lake contains these wonderful light markers in the first place. I mean, where would we be returning from the Weirs Beach fireworks without a light marker at major points. Or where would we be when trying to find where we are in the middle of the knight, where land is the same color as the sky on a moonless/starless night? It seems it would be expensive to replace a light marker every year or two, because of ice damage! It is much better than having to guess that there is a number marker in front of you in the dark, hoping that you're on the correct side!
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A thread about lake level & markers has digressed into a diatribe with a registered {out-of-state} voter telling us New Hampshirites what is wrong with our method of counting/casting ballots! Anyways, those guffaws you heard permeating your walls this morning? It was only me, but thank you for starting my day off with a good laugh. Last edited by webmaster; 09-17-2004 at 07:29 AM. |
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Mad, don't tell me your a registered voter in Massachusetts, the perfect state that does everything right? It doesn't even have to be Massachusetts, no state has a monopoly perfect government practices. Spare us the holier than thou attitude
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Hah Hah Hah Massachusetts? hee hee hee hee
The "Big Dig" took longer to dig than the tunnel under the English Channel! And now that it's opened, it's filling up with water! No, I vote absentee in Florida, a fact I express freely elsewhere on this Forum. Florida's a mess, but it's BIG --something New Hampshire isn't. The clock is ticking on our hills, our water quality, our quiet, our island chapels, our recreation, our safety, and the quality of life in general. The "Bay State" provides plenty of ammunition for its detractors -- mostly on News/Talk radio and print media. At least New Hampshire "only" has lobbyists at the helm. There's only one box to check on Massachusetts ballots. Massachusetts is run by crooks. |
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Always voting
We are voting everyday of our lives. Everyday, the way we spend our dollars (or cents) is a vote. From where we buy lunch to where we buy gas. The catholic church is in a pinch right now. Parishiners are voting with their pockets (or lack thereof).
Everyone should vote, in every primary, local, and general election. Even if you have to vote absentee everytime, vote! If you do not vote, don't complain. I wonder how many legal immigrants who never got a chance to vote in their original countries miss an opportunity to vote in the USA?!?! |
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Mad, You are correct about Florida. It is a mess. 1. It is the 3rd most populated state but not the 3rd largest in area. 2. most of the population is crowded at the shore lines leaving the inland part of the state sparse. 3. Environmentally Floridians have nothing on NH, the Everglades are being filled in for developement & then they wonder why Alligators are in their living rooms, eating their dogs & why is my house sinking... HEE HEE HEE. 4. Drinking water is becoming sparse because of population. 5. Gated communities popping up all over. 6. Strip malls as far as the eye can see. 7. Fights between environmentalists & developers over new marinas, Manatee free zones & damage to coral reefs & sea grass beds. Just to name a few.
No thank you, I will stay right here in NH for the time being. Maybe the snow & cold winters will keep people moving south. P.S. I also don't like the Miami Dolphins. Last edited by PROPELLER; 09-17-2004 at 10:09 AM. |
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Don't know again but I'll guess it's some marine growth. Not only is it a ring but it's also on the top of my steps that lead into the water. More specifically it's only on those parts that get a semi-regular splashing. It isn't on my dock or other wood parts, at least that I've noticed. It's slippery when wet but not after it dries out. It doesn't wash off with soap and scouring. It does (well it did last year) power-wash off with just H2O and pressure though. If I had a microscope I'd take a scraping and have a look-see.
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All lighted markers are removed
All the lights are removed from the lake, starting after Columbus Day, as stated earlier in this thread. I can confirm that following my winter trip to the islands last winter. This has been done for as long as I can recall, and that's several decades.
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As a lifelong (and fulltime) resident of New Hampshire, one who reads a number of her paper's daily, I can recall no such articles that you claim exist. Anxiously awaiting your links to specific articles to verify your aforementioned condemnation of "the Voters' Will". You also claim, in your same diatribe, that New Hampshire's government is controlled by lobbyists. What you fail to mention (or grasp) is that the New Hampshire State Legislature is made up of 400 locally elected citizens from across the State. So many, in fact, that forum regulars and New Hampshire residents probably know personally at least one or more in their representative district. These citizen legislators are elected by their neighbors every two years. Many have been re-elected time & time again by those same neighbors & friends. While no legislator can please every single constituent on every single issue, most do a pretty damn good job for their $100 a year salary, and it is relfected in their longevity. But again, I patiently await more solid proof of your henceforth unsubstantiated claim that all these folks must be on the take. It is easy to anonymously accuse those who partake of lifestyles and interests different than yours as being conspirators. It is easy to anonymously bash those that devote much of their time & energy trying to serve us in the State Capitol. And it no sport to assail, anonymously, the fine men & women in the public safety field who tirelessly protect us from ourselves 24/7. But again, you may be exactly right in all your accusations. Therefore, I still anxiously await the factual data that you must be hording to form such all knowing and authoritative positions. Enlighten us, anonymously of course.... Skip |
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Sorry Madrasahs,
You would be well advised to carefully read the sources you quote before offering them up as proof of your alleged conspiracies. The Eagle-Tribune article you cite contains no proof whatsoever that legisltors are corrupt. As a matter of fact, one paragraph states: "...But one factor in New Hampshire that does mitigate excessive lobbying, Bender said, is the 400-member house of Representatives. The House is simply too large for lobbyists to influence every representative on every issue..." Also interesting is that out of the entire legislature, the writer of the article could only find one single legislator, out of 400, to state his opinion that lobbying in New Hampshire was unfair. Oh yeah, I forgot....this is a conspiracy, right? Your contention and proof that students regularly and illegally sway the vote in New Hampshire also lacks any credible proof in the article you quoted for that opinion. The Center for Voting and Democracy piece once again only cites the opinion of a single individual, Republican House Speaker Gene Chandler, that students do not have the right to vote in New Hampshire elections. Of course Mr. Chandler, if quoted correctly, is way off the mark here. Of course any college student who is claimimng residnecy in New Hampshire has a constitutionally protected right to vote here! And never once in the article is there an accusation that students from Massachussetts are acting improperly. Both articles you cited are built solely and written plainly as opinion pieces, each based on the opinion of a single partisan legislator. There is not a shred of factual information in either article in which to base the accusations you passed in your comments as fact. Interestingly enough, one article is 3 years old and the other nearly a year old. Since then there has been plenty of time for the quoted politicians in both cases to provide ample information to support their opinions. Legislative voting records and lobbyist activities are easily tracked and readily reported on a number of public sites. Trends indicating undue influence could be easily established. Voting records and registrar lists in both New Hampshire & Massachussetts are also a matter of public record. In the year since the opinion piece on student voting has been written, it would have been very easy for anyone to examine the record and show substantial proof that double or improper student voting was occuring. In both cases not a single individual or organization has come forward to offer any verifiable proof that the crimes you say routinely occur have indeed been happening at all. Oh right, I forgot.....its a conspiracy. My final post on this subject and once again my apologies to Don for contributing to a thread gone far astray. It was the fact that these comments were so outlandish in nature and passed off as fact, when no such facts existsd, that I felt an appropriate response was required to debunk them. Skip Last edited by Skip; 09-18-2004 at 08:11 AM. |
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I too apologize to Don for laboring an 'off topic' post and will submit my response to the original questions once more in an effort to get back on track. To answer the original question of this thread: Many local and weekend boaters use the Mount Washington's last cruise as an indicator when they take their boat out for the season (this year it would be October 23rd). It's not a bad idea to keep an eye on the long term weather forecast to see if there are any unexpected temperature drops that could cause freezing for a day or more (water in the boat motor(s) could freeze and cause damage). But if you're talking about now or October 8th, you should be fine with October 8th, and like I mentioned, keep an eye on the weather and if you are using a marina, chat with them to see when they can take the boat out (based on their schedule).
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"Foam" can be pillow-sized -- even mattress-sized -- and appear in September (when the lake is drawn down and more sand is exposed) after a North wind against (mostly) north-facing shorelines. Although they can migrate anywhere. I've got a call into DES, and will advise -- if they know. My working theory is that the north-facing shorelines, having taken Big Boat wake "hits" all summer, have exposed large new soil surfaces to bacteria in the "new" shallows. North-facing shorelines don't get the really bad north winter blasts because the lake is iced over then. Not many north-facing Winnipesaukee non-island shorelines have sufficient fetch, either. Quote:
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All*** of those other places have had their waters ruined and their natural beauty stripped from them -- mostly by lousy planning, spot zoning, and rampant development. Real estate agents pressured multi-millionaire's plans against the farmer or corrupted local government. I wouldn't go back to any of them to live or retire. ***(Well, not all: Narragansett Bay was already ruined upon arrival). We still managed most summers (and occasionally year-round) at Lake Winnipesaukee. The life-lesson I hope to continue at the Forum is to convey my dismay at the RATE of change here at the lake. The Lakes Region is like watching a slow-motion train wreck, with one car after another folding against another and careening off the tracks. It appears that I may actually see the day that the caboose finally launches off the railroad bed. Last edited by madrasahs; 09-20-2004 at 04:49 AM. Reason: blahs |
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Sir, if I may quote part of your last:
"The life-lesson I hope to continue at the Forum is to convey my dismay at the RATE of change here at the lake. The Lakes Region is like watching a slow-motion train wreck, with one car after another folding against another and careening off the tracks. It appears that I may actually see the day that the caboose finally launches off the railroad bed." It is a shame that you can't convey more of a positive message about the lake. You are fortunate to have lake front property and it is sad that so many of the things you write about express your anger. Here is a smiley for you. Maybe it will help. |
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http://www.cayugalake.org/newsletter/winter/2003/lake_foam.html Foam is generally caused by agents called surfactants, which reduce the surface tension of water. When air is mixed with the water surface by wave or wind action, bubbles form. Laundry and other detergents have long been known to be a source of surfactants in lakes and streams. However, evidence is pointing in this case to an entirely natural source of these compounds. When organisms, such as algae, plants, fish and/or zebra mussels die and decompose they release fatty acids, which act as surfactants. Storms and agitation from boats cause these natural surfactants to mix with surface waters, resulting in streaks of sudsy white foam, which can collect in large quantities on windward shores, coves, or in eddies. Found two other wed sites that basically said the same. .....covered by the white foam of natural saponins produced by the decomposition of lake algae..... .....thick piles of white foam, a natural reaction when the lake's carbonate-rich water is agitated..... Quote:
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Et cetera, ad nauseum
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You need to go back and re-read the still baseless allegations you made in your post #17. Still anxiously awaiting any proof you have to back up your insinuation that the New Hampshire State Legislature is corrupt and that the New Hampshire election process is over-run by out of state (Massachussetts in particular) students. Or were those claims made by you just more "working theories"? Patiently awaiting, Skip |
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Big Boat Wakes?
Mad, Where is your scientific proof that it is big boat wakes contributing to the foam & not just any old boat wake from relatively small 18' bow riders for example, if boat wakes have any thing at all to do with the foam. Big is a relative term, what you think is big may not be to the several thousand people who use the lake. Maybe big wave action like Sunday contributes. How are you going to stop that?
I gather from old posts when you were I.R. that you think the biggest boat on the lake should be 24'. Why is that the magic number? Boats 24' & smaller can create big wakes when they are not planed off. Why is your personal dismay of the changes at the lake a life lesson for the rest of us? |
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I called DES, and they said they'd seen it so high on Winnipesaukee beaches that winds would blow the foam across the roadway! He couldn't answer my question about when it started, as "foam" records only go back ten years. I think it's related to the "green snot" that started appearing about 20 years ago in my area. Shoreline erosion fertilizes algae. As algae dies, it likely contributes to the foam, as I hadn't seen either (foam or algae) before about 1985, when I rented here on the lake. Quote:
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1)world events 2)why sailing is better than using fossil fuels 3)and why gallon-per-minute boats contribute to our woes. Considering "Thumpee" next year.*** What you should have seen was an advocacy of much higher fees for boats larger than 24-feet. Twenty-four feet was the length of the victim's boat in the "Baja incident". ***("I heard a thump".) If a 24-footer can't take the weather, it should anchor in the lee of a shore, or "shouldn't go out in it" in the first place. Yes, the wakes are bad off-plane even then, but it gets worse as you add tonnage and length. Twenty-four feet is the new "legal maximum" for Folsum Lake, a big lake which got crazy on weekends. . Quote:
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Yesterday's national headlines were overshadowed by TV network woes. What mostly didn't appear was a news story that there are 29,000 New Yorkers illegally registered as voters in both New York and Florida. 1) With NH next door to Massachusetts, and 2) Hanover, NH (Dartmouth) votes going opposite the rest of the state and 3) news accounts like the above, What should one's intuition tell one? That New Hampshire is immune to fraud? Who (apparently, not me) can prove that there's no NH Medicare fraud, or NH voter fraud, or NH-lobbyist fraud, or real estate fraud? I mean, even the President's daughters have fake IDs. How is NH exempt from fraud? Because we're "nice"? I earlier opined that "Massachusetts is run by crooks". You'll note that the Forum's staunch defenders of Massachusett's government have lined up to answer that charge none deep. |
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1) Last time I looked, Vermont was also next to NH 2) In the same look, I noted that Hanover is on the NH/VT border 3) Mapping software says that Hanover is about 80 miles from the closest point in MA So, do I therefore conclude that Vermont government is also included in your sweeping statement? |
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Point, Counterpoint
Once again, another thread is being dominated with the opinions of one person who quotes his challengers and refutes what they say. I am convinced that the subject doesn't matter. The thread will twist and turn and completely escape the gist of the original post. I have yet to see Madrasahs agree with anyone.
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Mad, "something is going to stop that" Something is going to stop wave action? You are mad! Because some lake somewhere chose to limit boat length to 24' that means its right for Winni? Listen to yourself. All boat operators are responsible for their wake no matter how big. If some big boat does damage then they should be held accountable but that does not mean we should impose a length limit. If all boats are operated properly & with enough distance from shore then there is no problem. If you are complaining about boat wakes causing white lumps of foam & damage to your shore line then all motorized boats should be eliminated because it does not matter what size, any boat will cause these issues.
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End the MADness
To answer the original question of this thread: Many local and weekend boaters use the Mount Washington's last cruise as an indicator when they take their boat out for the season (this year it would be October 23rd). It's not a bad idea to keep an eye on the long term weather forecast to see if there are any unexpected temperature drops that could cause freezing for a day or more (water in the boat motor(s) could freeze and cause damage). But if you're talking about now or October 8th, you should be fine with October 8th, and like I mentioned, keep an eye on the weather and if you are using a marina, chat with them to see when they can take the boat out (based on their schedule).
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Lake Level
The original thread was about the lowering of the lake.
To that end we took a ride all the way up into Green's Basin today from Gilford via Alton Bay, a round about trip since we visited people Alton Bay first, but well worth the ride as it was so smooth on the lake today. A little cool when under way due to so many clouds vs sun. I posted a few Pics on the Photo Post. The lake is noticeably lower but not so much that a 22' Cuddy could not negotiate the trip. Never hit anything or came close to it. I used the depth sounder a few times but was able to negotaite quite nicely using markers. Many of the rocks are visable which makes it easier to know where some of the bad spots are. This was our first trip all the way into Green's Basin and we really enjoyed it. In Alton bay I could hear, loud, but only barely see the water rushing down the Cascades Falls so I would assume that there are many streams and brooks putting water into the lake pretty fast. I tried to get a photo of the Cascades but could not get anything reasonable. See photo post. The lake is reported to be at 10.08" below full lake level and flowing out at 766 CFPS. The water temp is down to 66 F.
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A fair question to follow might have been: "What happens to the water that is drained from Winnipesaukee...Do Lowell and Lawrence (MA) use it as a drinking water source?" Any good answer would not have introduced the word "primaries" (Outlaw) nor, subsequently, "Massachusetts" (Propeller). As they will state in U.S. courtrooms, "Your Honor, they have opened the door". . Quote:
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Remember 556ZP from the Olde Forum? His boat ("less than 30-feet") didn't even leave a wake! Remarkable boat, that. http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=57465 His posts were also just one giant paragraph. Hmmmm. . Quote:
"Mac" has steadfastly disagreed with me, even stating that two of my three first boats -- all built by me -- were "too small for Winnipesaukee". Today, while it's true I wouldn't take them out on most "boating" days, there are days that are suitable -- the same days that you'll sometimes see rowing sculls out there. Lake Winnipesaukee hasn't changed (on the surface, anyway), but the boating environment certainly has. Any disagreements there? As for "refuting": One very rich post needed refuting -- by anybody -- was this paraphrased one: "...I've installed Captain's Choice , and religiously followed the law...". Very interesting, but it followed a promise not to refute the poster again. As for "dominating": At the olde Forum, there was much less "Thread Discipline". Posters would even change the thread title mid-thought. It was entertaining nonetheless -- right, FLL? When it comes to discussion, the best ideas will rise to the surface. (They're all "opinions" anyway -- what the hay). Besides, at this moment, 1,345 "views" have been made at this thread. 'Can't be a bad thing. |
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1,345 views because people are curious how you are going to twist it around again and again. Entertainment for some, aggravation for others.
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I beg to disagree sir
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Requesting a CLOSE to this thread
This thread has had 61 more views since 9:40 AM. It has gotten way, Way, WAY off topic.
Don, can we and cLose this one? Thank you.
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Back to topic. . .
What is the current lake level? Just curious!
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1) Mac needs to explain how "It's the boat, not the driver" 2) We're owed an explanation how Outlaw's "Woodpecker" post of yesterday arrived in the "Hummingbird" thread. Then it can be cosed. ¿What means "cosed"?
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It's not a mad mad world after all -- it's just Sad
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#2 - keep comments to other threads in the appropriate thread thank you. BTW, no explanation necessary. It is what it is. My sympathies for you, having nothing better to do than spell check everyones posts. Personelly Im not loking forweird too retiremeant if thats an eggcitement for the day....that's what I kall stretching fore things to change the topik. My Vote is to CLOSE this thread ! Anyone else???
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Sorry but I'm really not following you on this one. If it's important to you clue me in and I'll respond.
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Close it, or even better ignore it.
We can either have the webmaster close the thread or we can ignore any writer(s) that bug us. I tend to do that, rather than get into a some kind of a war of words.
Remember, one nice thing about the forum is that you find out who you want to invite to a barbeque on that nice summer weekend. (Or Not !!!! ) If it doesn't go away when it is ignored, at least we can get back to "if you can't say something nice, or at least constuctive, don't say anything. "
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Hope this helps about the lake level....
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A chart of this year’s Lake level with parameters. A chart with Lake level history – past and present in various colors - scroll to become informed. |
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