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Using a paddle board or a kayak in a busy area does not make sense to me. I think of that every time I see a kayak or paddle board go through the Weirs Channel on a busy day. It makes about as much sense as going out for exercise and walking down the breakdown lane on Route 93. Why? There are much better places, for both activities. |
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I chose Meredith because the docks are right next to the launch, and are substantial in length, so it's not like I can just avoid them without a big alteration of course. No, my intended goal is not to spend a lot of time paddling around the docks, but I don't think it's unreasonable or unsafe to paddle through the area. Descant, so a person standing on a paddle board with a life jacket on is no safer than a swimmer in the water with an above-water profile of like 8 inches, without a flotation device? Strange logic to me. |
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Why launch a paddle board at a boat ramp? This makes no sense to me at all, its dangerous and challenging place and activity for boaters, and for paddle boarders it looks like an accident waiting to happen. Now the answer to my first questions is, because where else will you launch them, and the answer to that is, the town should be assessing this matter to ensure the safety of all, and adding an additional and different paddle board launch site. Such a site would not cost a fortune as you should not need ramps, a dock, etc. There should be a reasonable solution to this that works for everyone and minimizes actual to both groups so we can all use the lake and enjoy a reasonable level of safety from actual risk. Its not rocket science and its not that hard, we make it all unnecessarily difficult. Why, god only knows, human nature,,, ATB |
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07-28-2021, 11:37 AM | #5 |
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You are right XCR, if there was an alternative place for paddle boards and kayaks to launch it would be better for all.
We have launched them on a variety of lakes and ponds in NH, on Champlain, on Lake Placid, among others. Most of the time it is at a public boat launch because there is parking and it is allowed. Ironically, most places with public swimming access will not allow you to launch, they tell you it's for swimmers only and you need to go to a boat launch. We are competent boarders and very low impact at a launch. I realize not everyone fits those categories. We put the boards on the side somewhere so it doesn't prevent anyone from launching a boat, we get on them and are gone, literally doesn't affect the boat ramp in any way beyond the 90 seconds it takes me to take them out of the truck bed and put them on the ground. I'm guessing every person on this thread can boat their entire lifetime without hitting, or even endangering, a paddle board or kayak. Unfortunately stuff happens, as did to the person who was hit. But, I'm not sure an incident requires a need to put rules in place. I'd rather see some thoughtful people take a look at the incident and the situation and decide if action is needed or if it's just a case of stuff happening. You can add 20 pages of rules to boating and swimming and paddling on the lake and somehow stuff will still happen occasionally. |
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07-28-2021, 12:52 PM | #6 |
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I find it amazing that every time an accident happens there are those that immediately call for new rules....
It doesn't matter how many rules you add, accidents will happen! This event is a rarity... no need to go down the path of more rules & regulations. Woodsy
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Are there any more details available?
All I have so far is a pontoon and a paddle boarder collided and the paddle boarder went to a hospital. |
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As a general rule I agree, but in this case we are talking about more than the one accident, we are talking about a change in use that was not conceived of when the docks were built. At that time no one could have imagined 30'+ power boats would be fighting for space on those docks and that anyone would be using something like a paddle board in the same exact space at the same exact time. Its not a well considered plan. I suspect town tax dollars could be diverted from some pet project that only benefits the few insiders could be diverted to providing a safer location for the paddle boarders to launch, AND not some obscure place that they dont want to be. Meredith Bay looks like an almost perfect location to paddle board (as said by someone who has never been on one) BUT NOT in and directly around the boat docks. It looks frightening, especially with all the new and unskilled boaters I see struggling at the docks. I cringe to see paddle boarders in that space.
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People need to know how to drive their boats. If this person ended up on a dock, it is even more their fault. The paddle board has the right of way, period. The boater should have stopped and waited. If the boater is unable to do so, they shouldn't be at a public dock.
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And so it should be around docks, just way too much risk. It may not be the paddle boarders fault they got run over, but they will suffer the impact. Its not about responsibility its about likelihood of a problem and risk if it were to occur, and both are high for impacts between paddle boards and boats in the confines and conditions of boat docks. Or do you believe you should be able to just walk down the interstate highway and then hold drivers responsible should they run you over,,, |
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We also are not allowed to bicycle or ride a horse on the interstate.
Though maybe someone will come up with a reasonable idea, I doubt you will see Meredith restricted its town docks in the manner you suggest. |
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And Im sure brighter people than me can come up with even better ideas. |
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Maybe I'm just tired, but making the analogy of walking on the interstate (where people are going 55-70 MPH depending on where you are) and paddle boarders around a dock (where it is headway speed) I think is apples and oranges.
The better analogy would be people are banded from walking in parking lots. I drive by bicyclists every day down many main, windy, narrow roads with not breakdown lanes. Speed limit is 40-55 in different areas, bike going maybe 20MPH if flat area. We share the road, yes there are accidents where bikes get hit all the time, and I'd say 90+% are due to not paying attention (not just saying the car, but the bike too). But no one is banning the bikes off the road. I don't know any of the details of this accident except what's on this thread and there isn't much. |
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They are comparing speeds.
When the motorized speed is limited, less accidents between all users occur. Everyone sometimes get distracted, but the slower speed allows for adjustment in our reaction times. If I am moving slowly around a parking lot, in theory, I should be less likely to strike someone walking around... even though there, in theory, could be a lot more walkers in the area. |
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Accidents happen at the docks for a wide variety of reason and will continue to happen, but any accident involving 2 boats is very different than one involving a boat and a paddle boarder. The thought of this happening is frightening. A person on a paddle board is incredibly vulnerable when paddling around the size boats we now see at Winnipesaukee town docks. I would not even consider it myself, but I do sympathize that there is a lack of better options for where to launch paddle boards on Winnipesaukee, its not much better for boaters and always a challenge. |
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That is the comparison. |
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That is exactly the point I was making. Any docking area is basically a "parking lot" on land. Just like at the Patriots games when leaving. Have to be more aware of your surroundings to not run over the people walking in and out of the traffic. And for that matter, cars coming from every direction to get to one small opening.
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I don't think EKAL is going to change launch locations.
And I doubt that paddle boarders would accept another location easily. The public space is simply the public space, with non-motorized having ROW. The fact that traffic has increased is problematic, but traffic... especially motorized could quickly fade. Non-motorized users are a more steady stream of income... they aren't likely to zip across the lake to other dining/shopping outlets. |
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As for ROW, that does little heal the injured that will surly continue to occur if you continue mix such extreme levels of watercraft in that same space. And regarding "Non-motorized users are a more steady stream of income" I could not disagree more, Meredith is a destination. Clearly you spend little time on the water at the Meredith docks. Even during the week its tough to get a spot to dock for your boat without some wait, and boaters go there for shopping and food and they wait and they spend. I seriously doubt Non-motorized users spend even a fraction of what the power boaters spend in Meredith. And finally, regarding "motorized could quickly fade" no idea what you base that on. During the height of the pandemic, I struggled to get dock space in Meredith during the middle of the week, and its not getting better as the pandemic restrictions are being rolled back. Last week we were quoted a 1 hour wait for lunch at one of the restaurants close to the dock location and it was evident that many there were boaters. In the last year we recorded record boat sales and this year you cant even get one as there is very little inventory. Formula is currently telling people to put orders in now for next years delivery or risk not getting one and they are running at full capacity. This challenge of boaters and paddle boarders both operating in the close quarters of public dock space will not get better until towns make better and safer locations available to paddle boarders. Well not until someone invents deflector shields,,, |
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Right you are! And get rid of those noisy loons too. No non-motorized craft, franchise The Dive so there are a dozen of them on the lake, and make overnight rafting at sandbars legal. It will be a paradise!
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Dont forget run sewer lines into the lake to save on septic system costs, and besides its natural fertilizer
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