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07-02-2021, 01:16 PM | #1 |
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does anyone believe in climate change now? As thinkxing points out...
wind, cold, rain, heat waves. 'Nuff said. |
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Not the weather we want but the rain is very much needed.................
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Please don't be silly with this BS. A few cool days is nothing compared to the massive amount of data that show the planet is warming. Virtually every climate scientist believes in climate change.
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1. Is Climate change happening? Of course. Always, as the earth's tilt varies over time, for example. C MonC 2. Can we alter the tilt of the earth on its axis, or whatever cause you like, by consuming less fossil fuel? C'mon man. |
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You also said "there is very little we can do about it", your words. If we do nothing we are doomed to failure, my words.
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The fact is there is very little we can do and the earth is warming and the main reason is not caused by mankind although they do contribute to it. Do you think after the Ice Age the earth just said well I’m going to come up with this one climate and it’s gonna be the same for the next million years? Bait somebody else into an argument have a nice Fourth of July Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Just more liberal snake oil
I suppose Greta Thunberg is the resident expert on global warming (ooops - now the PC term is “climate change”)….
It’s complete nonsense to think that humans would have the ability to manipulate the earth’s climate that has been doing its thing for a few billion years. 500 experts wrote a letter to the UN stating that there’s no climate emergency. I suppose they’re all quacks too??? https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there...nited-nations/ |
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Nobody but shills for the coal and oil industries is still signing letters like the one you cite. Even oil company CEOs acknowledge global warming and that we have to change Last edited by FlyingScot; 07-03-2021 at 09:20 AM. |
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Everyone is a little testy this morning, must be the rain.
It's alright for people to have different opinions but we shouldn't turn this thread political. As everyone can see by the posts it falls on the political line to the left and right. |
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We need this rain big time. I am very thankful for it. Sorry for you tourists, but Monday is gonna be sunny and warm!
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Expect Change...
Just a thought for those who've had mature trees taken down recently.
The presence of trees keeps strong winds from uprooting their nearby neighbor-trees. Now that the earth is saturated, we can expect more loss of trees. A neighbor had his adjacent lot evaluated for building on. The environmental survey (of which I have a copy) wrote, "Unsuitable for structures". Ten years ago, that soggy lot was sold and built upon. Most of the trees between our lots have been incrementally blown over in the same direction. On the other side of our place, the majority are straight, as a forest of trees would be expected to be. Most within 50-feet of the water are leaning over the lake. Most of those have been affected by erosion: Large boulders are sliding in. Some actually fall, and are even heard--as they roll in. All this rain will have consequences. |
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It appears the Lake level is continuing to rise. My dock is now underwater with weights holding the boards in place. When will it go down? It appears Lakeport dam is operating at near full capacity discharge...
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A different point of view:
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Cause?
I think we all see something that relates to climate change. The question is: man-made" or natural changed in the tilt of the earth on its axis. If it is a "normal" result of the change of the tilt, then electric cars on only one northern continent or even two, will have little impact. Better technology (e.g. solar) may help us deal with the change, but it is unlikely that we can "prevent" by changing to solar and nuclear, or generating electricity from the tides or wind.
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Ten or twenty years ago, fossil fuel companies questioned whether climate change was real. Now there's so much data, they no longer do. Furthermore, they even acknowledge significant climate change being caused by fossil fuels. Today, the only people who still assert that climate change is natural are people who are unable to get the oil industry's old propaganda out of their heads We all need to do whatever we can to slow it down |
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The Earth started out as a molten rock, unable to support life. Man had yet to exist.
Then it became a frozen body covered with glaciers. Man had yet to exist. The glaciers melted and left New England with mountains smoother and rounder than those out west. The planet "changed" into a hospitable place where man could finally be born. We have been recording weather "data" for a very short time...Like 137 years. The thermometer wasn't invented until the 1700's. Does "climate change" exist? Well, yes and no. Since climate change has always existed, there is no "change" to the process. Is the climate changing? Well, yes, it always has been. The answer to stopping it isn't electric cars. One volcano eruption spews more gunk into the air than all cars. Do we all want a cleaner planet? Of course. Man's guilt and self-flagellation, however, is misguided.
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Actually MAN existed prior to and during the last glacial period.
There are very basic reasons for climate study, farmers and agriculturist use them to determine the zones and variants within the precipitation rates. Engineers also use them for construction and other projects. Though the change is slow... longer term planning has a need for study. Originally, a lot of the global data was collected during WWII for increased accuracy in longer term weather prediction. But satellites now collect much of the data, as ground stations have been show to attributing local factors. For us locally, it is more accuracy than the older Farmer's Almanacs... which I think currently employ some of that data in their forecasting. Should summers become wetter and cooler... it will change how some local businesses will operate over the next several decades should they survive. |
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"Whatever Life There Was, Huddled"..."Snowball Earth"...
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Little life existed following a really deep freeze. "Even at the equator – the warmest place on Earth – the average temperature was a frigid -20°C, equivalent to modern-day Antarctica. Most life was wiped out, and the creatures that did survive huddled in small pockets of open water, where hot springs continued to bubble up. "This was "Snowball Earth" – a deep freeze that began around 715 million years ago and held Earth in its icy grip for a good 120 million years. "There are no other comparable glacial periods on Earth. This one was really quite catastrophic," says Graham Shields of University College London in the UK." http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150...s%20on%20Earth. |
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I don't understand the resistance to renewable energy sources?
We all know the pollution produced by burning fossil fuels and our dependence on other countries for oil. Any portion of renewable energy that could reduce our dependency on other nations should be welcomed regardless of of the climate change. |
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My understanding is the the grid can take 5-6% of intermittent production and remain stable. (I am not a great authority on that - just my understanding) The two major sources we think of in that category is solar and wind. Unfortunately, large projects with either of these two tend to reshape a neighborhood... and can get push back. Smaller (though a loose term) rooftop solar projects don't seem to have that politicized negativity around them. They could reach that percentage threshold without improvements to the grid... but are most easily achieved with a steady flow of credits and public service advertisements. We just have not done that great with this in NH. The rest of the supply would be a steady baseload that could be geared up when necessary and down when demand ebbs. That supply has cheaper formats like Natural Gas, and more expensive formats like biomass. To make the more expensive formats work, the government had to place in carve outs and a credit/tax type system under our Renewable Portfolio Standard statue. In either case, because it involve some sort of credit/tax system... politicians both want to limit the impact and divide up based on the various interests they represent. And that is just the production side of electricity... it doesn't even touch the usage side. |
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As far as wind and solar I think that will take some government intervention because the infrastructure improvements can't move forward without it. We will need future administrations with forward thinking to get it done because it will take many years to complete. |
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Sailboats have been around for some time now.
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Very true but they are mostly use recreationally, esp on the lakes. They are rarely used for transportation.
You don't see anyone hoping on their sale boat to go to dinner and I've never seen one pull up to the town docks around the lake unless they were paddling a small sunfish. Last edited by Biggd; 07-21-2021 at 07:40 AM. |
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I expect for people with island cottages/camps it will be awhile before we see significant change from gas powered to some other format.
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There's No Money in Global Cooling...
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And the post suggested that the proxy measurement is accurate, while the instrumental measurements are hokum.
No scientist would ever suggest such a thing. |
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Making AGW "Work"....
NASA has adjusted temperatures for 2016.
2020 is now the hottest year on record. |
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Global warming is not expected to be a smooth upward curve...
And according to your data we should be still accelerating out of a glacial period, since no one is predicting that we have hit the top of the bell curve in this trend line. The question is not really whether the Earth would become warmer, as it is expected to be warmer, then growing cooler as it trends down to the next ice age. The question is really at what rate of change? If it has a high delta, adaptation of species generally does not occur fast enough. |
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But there are methods to look at historical temps, rainfall, fires, co2 and volcano’s over millions of years It’s pretty clear we are F’n up. No, electric cars won’t save the planet. We’ll have to do a hell of lot more than that. It’s highly unlikely we’ll have wet summers. It’s more likely we’ll fry like most of the country is, fairly soon. It’s all about rate of change due to mankind. We all know change has happened and will happen. But not on this scale. |
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You want me to do what?
I was watching a live-weather radar map sponsored by The National Weather Service a few days ago. The forecast for rain in Meredith was 0% for the next 120 minutes. At the same time, I was watching it pour out my window. We've all made fun of weather forecasting. You know..."If I was wrong on my job as often as weather forecasters, I'd get fired"! Well, I'm not going to substantially change my current life for what some say will benefit the weather 100-1,000 years from now, when they can't tell me it's currently raining outside. Back in the 70's, it was global cooling. Then it became global warming. Now it's called global climate change. What force(s) changed the language? Let's ALL support a clean environment within reason...You understand reason don't you? By ALL, I mean China, Russia, India, Lower Slobovia, Bedrock and the USA...ALL at the same time. I don't want to purchase an environmentally friendly air conditioner made in a polluting factory in China that employs slave labor. I think the USA is very focused on an evolutionary process in this regard. Remember, things done with today's technology, may be less efficient with tomorrow's advancements. Revolutions tend to move too fast, leaving reasonable thought and caution aside, whereas evolution builds on yesterday's knowledge of success AND failures and grows more accurately identifying the need over time. One fault I think we have as Americans, is that we want immediacy a bit too often and sacrifice the long-term vision.
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Greenhouse?
I remember one day many years ago, reading a UPI article in the newspaper on green house effects. Several pages later, same paper, same day was an AP article on the same subject. Both cited studies on the greenhouse effect. BUT, one claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere blocked the sun's rays and we were seeing a cooling effect. The other claimed that contaminants in the atmosphere trapped the sun's heat and were getting an overall warming effect. I imagine the authors of both studies examined the same historical data to arrive at their conclusions.
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After acid rain was discovered to be having a dramatic effect on lakes in New England, and the culprit was SO2 and NOx entering the atmosphere, a cap and trade system was developed at the federal level to reduce the emissions, and the statistics showed an immediate warming effect. Further studies revealed that certain compounds can have a cooling effect, while other compounds have a warming effect. |
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The front page of today's San Francisco Chronicle reports a "slight drizzle" in Northern California yesterday.
Can you imagine front page reporting of rain in The Lakes Region this year? I think it would be more appropriate for the front page reports to be of "No rain in forecast"...
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