Staffing Issues for Summer of 2021

[John Mercier]

Ours isn't the teenager.
Seems that we have a decent sum of people having mid-life crises with underlying inferiority complexes.

[8gv]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

The State knows exactly how many checks it writes to the unemployed.
Belknap County in May listed 430 unemployed.

By the middle of June, the State of NH has switched from enhanced unemployment to an incentive.

We are no longer even looking for the correct skill sets to achieve productivity, just warm bodies.

"Warm bodies"

Back in the day...

I was assigned to a new location that had a shortage of employees, mainly due to poor management.

While preparing the work schedule I found that there were a few shifts I could not cover.

Figuring that later in the week I might find someone to work, I labeled the shifts "Body" just to have a place holder.

A week later I came in for my closing shift and found the store to be quite upside down.

The obviously frazzled day manager, who was on his first shift at the location, greeted me with a litany of troubles.

As he unloaded his frustrations of the day his agitation increased to the level of full melt down.

He capped it off by shouting "and to top it all off this person named 'Body' never showed up for work!"

Welcome to Boston Rd my friend, it's a work in progress...




I am so happy to be a customer frustrated by the staffing shortages rather than a business owner or manager living it 24/7.

[WinnisquamZ]

Biggd, agree fully with your statement. Back in the day the wife and I would discuss scheduling and work responsibilities after dinner and determine which ones took priority over others. Never a pleasant conversation. Eventually we dropped one full time career for a part time and never looked back. Now we are both retired and laugh about what we found important.


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[FlyingScot]

I agree too. Your kids illustrate the basic problem with soaring real estate prices. They create an economy that is great for older people and the wealthy, but makes it super hard for young families to get a foothold.

[thinkxingu]

How did this never make it to this thread?!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/...-after-6-days/

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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How did this never make it to this thread?!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/...-after-6-days/

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Because you need a subscription to read the Boston Globe Democrat!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Because you need a subscription to read the Boston Globe Democrat!

Ummm...the story exists in other media outlets.

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[John Mercier]

Changes in a schedule is just one means of lowering the demand to fit the supply.

We've just begun what will be a serious process of lowering that demand through policy changes.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How did this never make it to this thread?!

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/07/...-after-6-days/

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Maybe because it's too sad, even for us? (haha)

One thing that screams out from the Globe article is the Camp Director's incompetence at multiple levels. I don't think labor shortages in general drove this, though they made it much tougher. Most glaring--the kids and staff didn't trust him, and that was before he tried to blame the whole thing on Sysco. Nobody stays open like that

[thinkxingu]

Here's an interesting article that touches upon a lot of what has been discussed here these last months:
https://www.wmur.com/article/hiring-...-2021/37613509

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[phoenix]

it seems to me with NH low unemployment rate the only way to solve summer hiring is to allow more foreign residents to get temporary visas

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by phoenix

it seems to me with NH low unemployment rate the only way to solve summer hiring is to allow more foreign residents to get temporary visas

Which is the way it was before Covid. Many places especially in the weirs had Eastern European employees like Kellerhaus had the past two seasons their employees were all locals.


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[jeffk]

Originally Posted by phoenix

it seems to me with NH low unemployment rate the only way to solve summer hiring is to allow more foreign residents to get temporary visas

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. COVID has made getting foreign workers VERY difficult and the VISA process had previously tightened up, especially for relatively low skilled workers.

Further, last year's COVID problems was a huge mess. Yes, all countries had problems but America's image as THE place to come was tarnished. The resurgence this year has made it worse.

[FlyingScot]

As the grandson of impoverished refugee immigrants, I agree we should let in more immigrants, especially those sponsored by employers.

One thing to keep in mind is that the reduced number of legal immigrants started with the Trump administration in 2017 or so, well before COVID. I'm pretty sure we had pre-COVID immigration debates on this Forum, or at least a number of references.

(Note that this is different than securing the border, etc--just referencing legal immigration here.)

[John Mercier]

Business will adapt.
The ones that adapt the fastest will come out ahead.

[Flylady]

Some will adapt however I believe we will see many restaurants close as the owners are burned out and the profit margin too thin...add continuing staffing shortages in this industry= lot of closed places!

[MeredithMan]

Not a lakes region restaurant, but this fits in with the theme of this thread.

We were back in Bedford, (NH), this past week and went out to one of the local rests for dinner. There was a sign on the hostess desk that had in big letters, "THE NATIONAL LABOR SHORTAGE". Their sign stated that due to the national labor shortage, seating capacity is limited, and people may be turned away. It was a Weds night and it was early-ish, so we had no problem getting a seat.

When the server came by to take our drink order, she said that due to the "national labor shortage", (her words), they hadn't received a food delivery in several days. As a result, there weren't serving any entrees, just appetizers, salads/soup, and sandwiches. We were ok with that, as we just wanted something light.

I decided to get the chicken wings appetizer and a caesar salad. When I asked the server the difference between the regular size and large size of wings, she said that, "due to the CHICKEN SHORTAGE, there were only about 8 wings on the regular size. I said, "chicken shortage??" "Oh yes!", she replied...

Fast forward to last evening...we went to Buffalo Wild Wings in Manchester...no chicken shortage there....!!

[AltonCAM]

My wife and I went to Mexican restaurant the other day and included with the menu when we were seated was a laminated 81/2 by 11 card. The card stated they were “short staffed”. When the server returned to take our order I inquired as do you really think by hiring taller people will make things better. LOL things will get better hang in there.


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[phoenix]

the restaurant industry will find the so called sweet spot with prices, how much they pay their help and hours. Some will close, some will do take out or delivery only if they can't get servers. My bet is we will have fewer restaurants , they will pay more to get help, they will charge more for meals and likely reduce hours or just serve like the VK did this summer breakfast and lunch. This will not be a crisis but as I continue to read articles of former restaurant employees they wont go back to the long hours, lower pay and stressful conditions especially with more unruly patrons .

[Descant]

Cable news over the last several days is that Amazon, UPS, Macy's etc are hiring tens of thousands of workers, signing bonuses, shift differentials, benefits, etc. The Cannabis industry employment growth was up 38% over the last year. Sounds like restaurant workers who got laid off are going elsewhere. I used to love the cafeteria style restaurants in FL, Morrison's and Southern. Maybe that concept will spread? And service by robots? "There's an app for that".

[phoenix]

Agree there is a similar article today in a Phx paper. They interview a few former restaurant employees and all have moved on to places like you list. The other class of restaurants that will survive are the mom and pops . I have an india restaurant i go to and husband, wife and daughter are the only employees. Good places like the VK with a seasoned owner will survive but as i said raise wages , increase prices some and reduce hours. It will sort out without government needed

[John Mercier]

The government role in it has already been playing out.

Seasonal business dependent on foreign workers are being squeezed, municipal and county employee staffing will cost more... thus more property tax, and the continuation of low interest rates driving housing and other leveraged backed consumption.

[WinnisquamZ]

Might be on my own here, I believe the Lakes Region has too many year round restaurants. The population has changed over the past twenty years, for the better I believe. Restaurants that remain will be smaller and offer a flexible menu. Big fan of few menu options and higher quality.


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[AltonCAM]

Please delete this picture I am sick of looking at it every time I open this app.


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[baygo]

The restaurant industry has provided interim employment to a significant percentage of people all through time. With millions of health care, law enforcement, first responders. Etc… being fired due to vaccine reluctance, restaurants may soon experience a surge in applicants.

Tell me doctor… which wine do you recommend with this entree?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by baygo

The restaurant industry has provided interim employment to a significant percentage of people all through time. With such a large number of health care, law enforcement, first responders. Etc… being fired due to vaccine reluctance, restaurants may soon experience a surge in applicants.

If you're fired for lack of Vax, can you collect unemployment benefits? I see a mix of masked and unmasked in restaurant staff. "official guidance" seems to be more confusing than helpful, regardless of location or occupation. If potential workers don't get jabbed, will they wear a mask? The groups you mention, health care, LEO, first responders, are largely union. Will this impact their availability to collect benefits from their unions? I've always been a worker, not an employer, so my knowledge in this area is minimal.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by Descant

If you're fired for lack of Vax, can you collect unemployment benefits? I see a mix of masked and unmasked in restaurant staff. "official guidance" seems to be more confusing than helpful, regardless of location or occupation. If potential workers don't get jabbed, will they wear a mask? The groups you mention, health care, LEO, first responders, are largely union. Will this impact their availability to collect benefits from their unions? I've always been a worker, not an employer, so my knowledge in this area is minimal.

Being fire over lack of VAX does not qualify for federal unemployment for fed workers. I am uncertain of the policy in the private sector or union. I assume there is a crossover with people who have already exhausted their entitlements consequent of what they collected over the past 18 months.

[MeredithMan]

Good article from Forbes on this topic. The general rule of thumb has always been that if your job is eliminated or you are part of a layoff, you can collect unemployment, but if you are let go for "cause", (performance or violating company policies), you cannot. Seems most of the HR and legal experts are stating that if you go against the employer's vaccine policy, you cannot collect.

https://www.forbes.com/advisor/perso...t-eligibility/

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Descant

If you're fired for lack of Vax, can you collect unemployment benefits? I see a mix of masked and unmasked in restaurant staff. "official guidance" seems to be more confusing than helpful, regardless of location or occupation. If potential workers don't get jabbed, will they wear a mask? The groups you mention, health care, LEO, first responders, are largely union. Will this impact their availability to collect benefits from their unions? I've always been a worker, not an employer, so my knowledge in this area is minimal.

The official guidance is from the State of NH... or whatever State they are in.
NH doesn't have a vaccination mandate, and I doubt we will for most employment. Employers can require it, but for most of the jobs we have in the various industries, it will not be an issue.

Retail staff, including restaurants, are no longer required to wear the mask per official guidance from the State of NH, but some companies have chosen to return to company policy of the staff to be masked. Signs outside generally inform customers that it is their choice to mask or not... with a suggestion to mask.

So you are seeing a mixture of the official guidance and company policy.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by baygo

The restaurant industry has provided interim employment to a significant percentage of people all through time. With millions of health care, law enforcement, first responders. Etc… being fired due to vaccine reluctance, restaurants may soon experience a surge in applicants.

Tell me doctor… which wine do you recommend with this entree?

Won't be millions. Pretty much everybody folds. A few examples:

Mass State Police Unions asserted dozens would walk. Maybe 1 person actually has.

United Airlines--the first(?) big name employer to require them, down to very small numbers of hold outs.

Fox News--just about everybody there was vaxxed a while ago

[TheTimeTraveler]

Well, with some intense struggles everywhere it appears that for the most part that the 2020 Restaurants made it thru 2021 with just a few casualties.

The Restaurants were very clever in their planning with a musical chair schedule of closing days, cutting hours, shifting their staff and simplifying their menu offerings. EVERY single business owner out there deserve a gold hat for hanging in there and putting up with something that has never been experienced before in our lifetimes. A truly great job for making it thru the summer and a big thank you for hanging in there under rotten circumstances.

The good news is that summer of 2021 is now behind us. The bad news is that summer of 2022 is in the horizon in about 8 months or so and I'm sure that business owners are not looking forward to ever going through this all over again.

At the beginning of the summer I would say this Covid environment was a fluke, but now I don't see huge improvements on the horizon for 2022. Can many of these businesses again survive these unusual conditions for another year, or will some owners finally say "screw it" and permanently close? Can you really blame them if they do close?

[John Mercier]

The shortage of workers is not Covid.
That can be an excuse, but it isn't the reality.

https://www.nhpr.org/business-and-ec...e-to-hire-grow

[baygo]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Won't be millions. Pretty much everybody folds. A few examples:

Mass State Police Unions asserted dozens would walk. Maybe 1 person actually has.

United Airlines--the first(?) big name employer to require them, down to very small numbers of hold outs.

Fox News--just about everybody there was vaxxed a while ago

I’m curious the source of your information. I no longer trust any main stream media outlet. They all report/indoctrinate to support their narrative be it left or right.

The American labor force is currently 160 millionish workers. CDC states we are somewhere around 75% Vaxed. That leaves 40 million unvaxed. Yes some will cave but I believe the number will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 10% who will not. I draw this hypothesis from umbers reported by the teacher and hospital unions in the big cities on how many have not caved there.

Your reference to the Massachusetts state police union is contradicted by this Main Street source (not to be hypocritical) https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-covid-vaccine

It states dozens did walk, but that’s irrelevant because the deadline is not until October 17th

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by baygo

I’m curious the source of your information. I no longer trust any main stream media outlet. They all report/indoctrinate to support their narrative be it left or right.

The American labor force is currently 160 millionish workers. CDC states we are somewhere around 75% Vaxed. That leaves 40 million unvaxed. Yes some will cave but I believe the number will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 10% who will not. I draw this hypothesis from umbers reported by the teacher and hospital unions in the big cities on how many have not caved there.

Your reference to the Massachusetts state police union is contradicted by this Main Street source (not to be hypocritical) https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-covid-vaccine

It states dozens did walk, but that’s irrelevant because the deadline is not until October 17th

If you read that article closely, you'll see that the officers' union claimed that many put their resignations in, but other sources have it at only one actual resignation: https://www.wcvb.com/article/massach...tions/37763636

Though there will be some who resign, it won't be in the millions.

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[John Mercier]

But the point is that the staffing shortage will continue.

It may switch around the players, but it doesn't add more to the game.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by baygo

I’m curious the source of your information. I no longer trust any main stream media outlet. They all report/indoctrinate to support their narrative be it left or right.

The American labor force is currently 160 millionish workers. CDC states we are somewhere around 75% Vaxed. That leaves 40 million unvaxed. Yes some will cave but I believe the number will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 7 to 10% who will not. I draw this hypothesis from umbers reported by the teacher and hospital unions in the big cities on how many have not caved there.

Your reference to the Massachusetts state police union is contradicted by this Main Street source (not to be hypocritical) https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...-covid-vaccine

It states dozens did walk, but that’s irrelevant because the deadline is not until October 17th

Seems extreme to no longer trust any mainstream outlet, and ironic to imply that outlets outside the mainstream are more reliable. Groups outside the mainstream are typically even more focused on some narrow agenda, pretty much by definition.

I try to evaluate everything I read to understand potential bias and look for weaknesses. Some places--such as Fox and MSNBC--are obviously more biased than others--such as Wall Street Journal and New York Times. (I've tried to use balanced examples.)

On the specific examples you've asked for--Think has already provided a reference for the police. United Airlines has been covered in the Times, Fox vaccine requirements have been covered by Marketwatch.

But instead of discounting what I've written because you don't like the sources, I hope you'll check for yourself and let us know if you think United Airlines is paying a big price in lost labor, or if you doubt that Fox has been very tough on unvaxxed employees.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Seems extreme to no longer trust any mainstream outlet, and ironic to imply that outlets outside the mainstream are more reliable. Groups outside the mainstream are typically even more focused on some narrow agenda, pretty much by definition.

I try to evaluate everything I read to understand potential bias and look for weaknesses. Some places--such as Fox and MSNBC--are obviously more biased than others--such as Wall Street Journal and New York Times. (I've tried to use balanced examples.)

On the specific examples you've asked for--Think has already provided a reference for the police. United Airlines has been covered in the Times, Fox vaccine requirements have been covered by Marketwatch.

But instead of discounting what I've written because you don't like the sources, I hope you'll check for yourself and let us know if you think United Airlines is paying a big price in lost labor, or if you doubt that Fox has been very tough on unvaxxed employees.

Again here in lies another example as pointed out by Newbiesaukee. Of the sources you label as biased, you list Fox, which has shifted its biased a great deal ever since Murdoch stepped down and put it in the hands of his children. It’s audience is shrinking on a daily basis. On the non-biased side you list the New York Times. Seriously? A great deal of the miss information generator about the previous administration was originated there. Now proven as miss-information, there’s been minimal to no retraction.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by baygo

Again here in lies another example as pointed out by <b>Newbiesaukee</b>. Of the sources you label as biased, you list Fox, which has shifted its biased a great deal ever since Murdoch stepped down and put it in the hands of his children. It’s audience is shrinking on a daily basis. On the non-biased side you list the New York Times. Seriously? A great deal of the miss information generator about the previous administration was originated there. Now proven as miss-information, there’s been minimal to no retraction.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-times/



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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by baygo

Again here in lies another example as pointed out by Newbiesaukee. Of the sources you label as biased, you list Fox, which has shifted its biased a great deal ever since Murdoch stepped down and put it in the hands of his children. It’s audience is shrinking on a daily basis. On the non-biased side you list the New York Times. Seriously? A great deal of the miss information generator about the previous administration was originated there. Now proven as miss-information, there’s been minimal to no retraction.

When you say Fox has shifted its bias, I am not aware of this--do you mean more to left or more to right? As I understand it, they still broadcast several hours every night with hosts who minimize the need for vaccines and/or decry vaccine mandates. Also, Murdoch's more liberal son was fired, his more conservative son promoted, right?

I listed the Times as less biased than Fox and MSNBC, and I stand by that. If you have proven misinformation from the Times, please post instead of just asserting. I am not aware of any mistakes in the Times news sections that they have not corrected themselves. (Obviously the Times and Journal both have opinion sections laced with strong bias)

[Descant]

Christian Science Monitor beat them all for straightforward non-bias. They make the case for smallwe outfits that are not more left or right as suggested above. Unfortunately, the business model didn't work as well. Newspapers in general have their $$ problems, and want to be sensational to get readers, as do the TV networks. I watch both Fox and MSNBC. Of late, the reporting is amazingly similar, although each has some obvious slant in who they invite for guests. Politicians appear to refuse interviews from the opposition network resulting in self-made bias. At least Fox and MSNBC are pretty open. ABC, CBS and NBC, which I watch less frequently, seem to just sneak it in and pretend it's all news. Remember, we're just talking news here. The evening commentator shows are not pretending to be unbiased, so you (should) know what you're getting..

[John Mercier]

All of that still has nothing to do with the number of employment openings as compared to those to fill them in the local area.

We had a labor shortage before covid, and will have one long afterward.

People seem to think when a business shuts down, it is like the past, where the newly unemployed seek another employment opportunity and fill a position - that isn't what is happening.

What is happening is the employees are seeking another employment opportunity, and because the business cannot find skilled reliable help, the business is shutting down.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

All of that still has nothing to do with the number of employment openings as compared to those to fill them in the local area.

We had a labor shortage before covid, and will have one long afterward.

People seem to think when a business shuts down, it is like the past, where the newly unemployed seek another employment opportunity and fill a position - that isn't what is happening.

What is happening is the employees are seeking another employment opportunity, and because the business cannot find skilled reliable help, the business is shutting down.

Not all businesses will close do to this labor crisis. From the Laconia Daily Sun
https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...2ced6930f.html

[John Mercier]

I did not state all business.

Businesses that supply the environment that the limited labor supply has to offer will succeed.

[WinnisquamZ]

Don’t you wish you could hire them. Those medical workers who are released for holding to their principals will be welcomed at hundreds of other hospitals and medical professions throughout the country. Hopefully we get a few of them here


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[baygo]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Don’t you wish you could hire them. Those medical workers who are be released for holding to their principals will be welcomed at hundreds of other hospitals and medical professions throughout the country. Hopefully we get a few of them here


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Are there any regulations preventing me from converting one of my small dinning rooms to an exam-room and asking them to multi task?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by baygo

Are there any regulations preventing me from converting one of my small dinning rooms to an exam-room and asking them to multi task?

Passed by Saturday was glad to see you had a nice crowd outside.


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[baygo]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Passed by Saturday was glad to see you had a nice crowd outside.


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Thanks, we had back to back great weekends with a record total of just over 700 guests. I end each day in amazement of my wife!

[WinnisquamZ]

Botox and Bloody Mary’s! Fantastic idea


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[thinkxingu]

Agreed, though if the number of cases continues to drop—as a number of scientific organizations predict—the public institution needs will drop as well.

Private companies—restaurants and such—will probably continue to struggle, though.

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[Juiced06GTO]

Just sharing a real life situation for the unionized Mass employees here since it was brought up earlier, I'd imagine the same situation holds true for most State of Ma employees.

One of my employee's husband works for MassPort at the Worcester Airport. He is a unionized employee. He was given until this past Monday to have either the first dose of either Phizer or Moderna, or until the 17th to have the J&J shot or he was going to be put on unpaid leave for 6 weeks with no benefits. At the end of the 6 weeks if he was still not fully vaccinated, he would have been fired and unable to collect unemployment.

He got his J&J shot yesterday. They didn't want to try and get by on one income, so off to Price Chopper pharmacy for the vaccine he went. There really isn't any gray area with the state on this. You get it, you get a second chance with a punishment (no pay for 6 weeks), or you get fired.

[TiltonBB]

Read this with an open mind, come to your own conclusions.

These numbers are very interesting.

As reported by the CDC...
U.S. deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died.
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
The year of the pandemic . . .
Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641?

We've been told that COVID is responsible now for 500,000 deaths.

Shouldn't the 2020 number be a LOT higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and how many died of OTHER causes and also had COVID?

Now read below - numbers don't lie - food for thought:

A very well -orchestrated plan, or an unimaginable set of events that ‘just fell into place’ with the United States front and center? You tell me!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Read this with an open mind, come to your own conclusions.

These numbers are very interesting.

As reported by the CDC...
U.S. deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died.
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
The year of the pandemic . . .
Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641?

We've been told that COVID is responsible now for 500,000 deaths.

Shouldn't the 2020 number be a LOT higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and how many died of OTHER causes and also had COVID?

Now read below - numbers don't lie - food for thought:

A very well -orchestrated plan, or an unimaginable set of events that ‘just fell into place’ with the United States front and center? You tell me!

That's such a simplistic interpretation of an incredibly complex situation. Here's a good article that goes into it in more depth: https://www.jhunewsletter.com/articl...s-data-webinar

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[baygo]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Read this with an open mind, come to your own conclusions.

These numbers are very interesting.

As reported by the CDC...
U.S. deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died.
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
The year of the pandemic . . .
Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641?

We've been told that COVID is responsible now for 500,000 deaths.

Shouldn't the 2020 number be a LOT higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and how many died of OTHER causes and also had COVID?

Now read below - numbers don't lie - food for thought:

A very well -orchestrated plan, or an unimaginable set of events that ‘just fell into place’ with the United States front and center? You tell me!

I kinda wanna hug you!

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Read this with an open mind, come to your own conclusions.

These numbers are very interesting.

As reported by the CDC...
U.S. deaths by year and the change from the previous year.
Year 2017: 2,818,503 Americans died.
Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)
Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)
The year of the pandemic . . .
Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641?

We've been told that COVID is responsible now for 500,000 deaths.

Shouldn't the 2020 number be a LOT higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died of COVID and how many died of OTHER causes and also had COVID?

Now read below - numbers don't lie - food for thought:

A very well -orchestrated plan, or an unimaginable set of events that ‘just fell into place’ with the United States front and center? You tell me!

Couldn’t find your stats in one place on the CDC site…perhaps you checked each year individually and compiled the list yourself.

Here’s a link to a report detailing excess deaths. I particularly like the graph that differentiates between all excess deaths and deaths without Covid included.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm


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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Couldn’t find your stats in one place on the CDC site…perhaps you checked each year individually and compiled the list yourself.

Here’s a link to a report detailing excess deaths. I particularly like the graph that differentiates between all excess deaths and deaths without Covid included.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm


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Perfect, and a much more visible version of what is covered in my linked article. Thanks!

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[TiltonBB]

From the linked article:

"For example, a previous report described declines in emergency department visits for heart attack, stroke, and hyperglycemic crisis in early 2020 (4). The excess death analyses presented here cannot distinguish between excess deaths that might have been misclassified COVID-19 deaths or those that might have been indirectly associated with the pandemic."

You don't suppose there is any political agenda here do you?

Nah.............That wouldn't happen!

Can I get anyone a glass of this Kool Aid?

[Newbiesaukee]

This is the perfect example of confirmation bias…believing what you want to believe.

A little research easily reveals the flaws in the original article. Unfortunately, the more realistic reviews of the data will change no ones mind.

And that is part of the tragedy we all face.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

This is the perfect example of confirmation bias…believing what you want to believe.

A little research easily reveals the flaws in the original article. Unfortunately, the more realistic reviews of the data will change no ones mind.

And that is part of the tragedy we all face.

Bingo!

Then there’s the main stream media of choice , that manipulates, just in case someone’s mind starts to stray.

I’ve been eavesdropping on drunks at bars and diners at tables for over five decades. I wish I had the patience and time to write a book on some of the most bizarre points I’ve heard defended.

[Garcia]

At this point, I doubt any information will change anyone's mind about COVID.

Back to the idea about staffing in the lakes region (and other tourist based regions) I believe it will be a perpetual problem. Lot's of seasonal work with seasonal housing hard to come by will lead to continued shortages. My own kids will continue to have their pick of good paying, seasonal jobs either at home (a tourist driven economy) or at the lake simply because they have a free place to live. It makes no sense for them to chase a higher paying seasonal job on the Cape or Nantucket if they have to pay rent to work. When they finish school they'll have to find the balance of balancing housing and expenses with income. I don't see them settling in either the lakes region or their current home town as that balance doesn't seem to be there for them at the moment. Of course, things might change before they finish school - and their career paths are not set in stone.

[camp guy]

COVID, and all activities associated with COVID, became political, and once that happened the element of truth vanished behind a smokescreen of statistics. There is no easier way to confound an issue (any issue) than to start describing it with the use of numbers.

[phoenix]

over 4M people quit their jobs in September. New Hampshire's quit rate compared to August was up 39% third highest in the country

[thinkxingu]

Yup. We talked about this back in early summer, when we were discussing the end of the unemployment bump, hiring difficulties, and the phrase "great resignation."

Sometime after that, "The Big Quit" was coined.

As best I ever saw, the unemployment bump everyone blamed on the help shortage was negligible. It appears people weren't returning to work because the jobs they'd be returning to sucked or didn't pay well enough to jump through hoops.

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...d.php?p=358362

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[Descant]

Originally Posted by phoenix

over 4M people quit their jobs in September. New Hampshire's quit rate compared to August was up 39% third highest in the country

Is this the usual end of summer in NH tourist jobs?

(BTW, I was always taught that 'M' is the Roman numeral for 1,000, so 4M means 4,000. 4 Million would be 4MM. )

[John Mercier]

4 Millon, the roman numeral would not have a ''4'', and it is nationwide... with NH having comparable results.

People leaving for other jobs that they feel fit them better.

[camp guy]

As a purist you are correct about 4MM, but over time the "purity" factor has slipped, considerably, and a hybrid, if you will, has emerged wherein people use "M" for "million" and whatever number they need to represent how many, not using an appropriate Roman configuration. "K" seems to be what is used instead of "M" when trying to indicate "thousands", along with the appropriate number to represent how many. Trying to represent a large number using the correct Roman numeral configuration would get rather cumbersome for everyday use and simplicity.

[LoveLakeLife]

Camp Guy is dead on. MM is 2,000 in Rome.


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[MAXUM]

I find it fascinating that Roman numerals are even used anymore.

To me they are nothing but a pain.

[upthesaukee]

I think it's fun to see what year that old time TV program was filmed. MCMLXIV!

Dave