This one could hurt!

baygo · 10-10-2022, 09:49 AM

On my way out to run an errand this morning I saw a SYSCO truck at DeAngelo‘s.
I stopped and talk to the driver briefly. He brought to my attention that New Hampshire is a right to work state so he did not have to join a union or participate in the strike. He’s got a young baby at home and was happy to take on the extra hours created for him by the strike. Perhaps the strike one effect of each region as much as I thought.

WinnisquamZ · 10-10-2022, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by baygo

On my way out to run an errand this morning I saw a SYSCO truck at DeAngelo‘s.

I stopped and talk to the driver briefly. He brought to my attention that New Hampshire is a right to work state so he did not have to join a union or participate in the strike. He’s got a young baby at home and was happy to take on the extra hours created for him by the strike. Perhaps the strike one effect of each region as much as I thought.

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John Mercier · 10-10-2022, 10:19 AM

I don't remember NH passing RTW.

ishoot308 · 10-10-2022, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

I don't remember NH passing RTW.

NH does not currently have a right to work law…

Dan

John Mercier · 10-10-2022, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

NH does not currently have a right to work law…

Dan

I think people mistake it with EAW (Employed-at-Will)...
Which means you can be let go without cause... unless you have a contract.

baygo · 10-10-2022, 01:01 PM

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NH does not currently have a right to work law…

Dan

I just learned you are correct. What ever the case (as other referenced possibly a SCAB) it seems that the deliveries are still getting done.

ishoot308 · 10-10-2022, 01:12 PM

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I just learned you are correct. What ever the case (as other referenced possibly a SCAB) it seems that the deliveries are still getting done.

No problem Baygo…hate to hear that word “scab” being used, but do understand how it all works… I’m not going to get into the union / non union discussion here as I have been both and are way well versed than most here and realize it would just get shut down….so lets just say here’s to You…with a shot of “Dancing rabbit” in a small glass!

Dan

Waterbaby · 10-11-2022, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

I don't remember NH passing RTW.

Hi John - it was never passed. NH is an "at will" state for work. (In my mind, I call it more of an "at whim" state as it is more up to the whim of the employer as to whether one has a position on any given day.)

longislander · 10-12-2022, 07:11 AM

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That debate already happened in NH...
It started with the NHSA.

The NHSA ruling, along with the advancement to NHOHVA, showed that the NH Legislature doesn't support the ''free rider'' concept either.

It is possible for the Legislature to have a dichotomic schism... but it can never stand for very long due to judiciary interaction.

Is this what is being discussed?

https://nhsa.org/

https://www.nhohva.org/

https://nhsa.org/action/letter-hhs-final-rule-when/

Verbiage utilized may not relay intent.

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In this specific instance, none of the political stuff will matter.

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Being later in the season, the strike/potential strike should have less of an effect than if it occurred going into the season.

We have both the natural drop off of seasonal activity as we approach the major holidays... and a FED trying desperately to calm the economic activity of the populace.

Which season ... political ... natural, as in nature ...?

Politically the two party, Democrats/Republcans system (I'm "undeclared") has its position; Dems. are anti-RTW while Reps. are pro RTW.

Nature provides the area with seasonal economic opportunity.

Politically, the country, and state is in turmoil or chaos.

Politics' like nature, have "seasons" .

If RTW is still being discussed (thanks Waterbaby) here's a WMUR URL from June 2021. ABC/WMUR leans left politically, in my estimatioin.

https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-hous...9-175/36623777

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"A close vote had been expected, but those predictions were wrong"

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Under Senate Bill 61, which passed the state Senate, 13-11

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The key House roll call among several votes was 199-175 against

Close call ... really!

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indefinite postponement vote that meant it cannot be resurrected until 2023, barring a two-thirds vote to suspend the rules.

Here we are in Oct. 2022, when some of us will be voting in the Nov. 8 elections. RTW a done deal ... shouldn't bet on it. As the WMUR article says, something about 2023.

Then again, who in the state cares about SYSCO or the Teamsters. I did when I was a union steward for an IBEW local.

How did we get back to SYSCO.

John Mercier · 10-12-2022, 12:02 PM

Autumn.
This is happening now.

mofn · 10-12-2022, 01:17 PM

Having been hired 12 years after the longest unauthorized strike in a certain industry any smart business does not want a long and nasty one! Just yesterday I had a phone call w/ a retired worker and the "replacements" came up and the 3 leftovers not retired yet all came up by name, 30 plus years later!
When the guy w/ the kid gets in the dodo, and has a hearing and we have to rep him that one will be like a NASA launch...T minus 10 and counting until adjournment...Oh he thinks it goes to the arbitrator, yeah, with other cherry picked cases so he is the one that will be the lamb to slaughter. Then he will have RTW else where!

codeman671 · 10-12-2022, 02:21 PM

Can we close this one? Another junk thread starting to drag into the depths of irrelevancy.

longislander · 10-12-2022, 02:55 PM

Close the thread ... junk... irrelevancy ....

Amen!

For a thread that started on 10/5/22 ... now 10/12/22 ... and some are still reading and/or commenting, might demonstrate the power of bloviating, or in my case oration that may or may not be what some forum members like.

I only came aboard the forum in 2007. Have seen a lot!

Thanks to the webmaster for his tolerance

ApS · 10-12-2022, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

Can we close this one? Another junk thread starting to drag into the depths of irrelevancy.

Those still interested can go to a Gilford forum to continue.

My laptop has the website as a "Favorite", but that laptop is located 6 hours distant.

Charlie T · 10-12-2022, 06:21 PM

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Can we close this one? Another junk thread starting to drag into the depths of irrelevancy.

Threads like this are tailor made for certain members to add irrelevant or nonsensical comments that allow their post counts on this forum to rise. Some just like to comment on every thread possible as many times as possible.

John Mercier · 10-12-2022, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mofn

Having been hired 12 years after the longest unauthorized strike in a certain industry any smart business does not want a long and nasty one! Just yesterday I had a phone call w/ a retired worker and the "replacements" came up and the 3 leftovers not retired yet all came up by name, 30 plus years later!
When the guy w/ the kid gets in the dodo, and has a hearing and we have to rep him that one will be like a NASA launch...T minus 10 and counting until adjournment...Oh he thinks it goes to the arbitrator, yeah, with other cherry picked cases so he is the one that will be the lamb to slaughter. Then he will have RTW else where!

The union could simply argue that a violation of Part First Article 12-a.
Since the union representation is being paid for by members trying to remove that property and indirectly transfer it to another person is prohibit.

The NHSA took a roundabout approach that showed that non-members were benefiting indirectly from the dues of members by a proxy of government. So now when they register, NHSA members receive a discount approximated to their additional support. It is approximated to keep it simple.

FlyingScot · 10-10-2022, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by baygo

On my way out to run an errand this morning I saw a SYSCO truck at DeAngelo‘s.
I stopped and talk to the driver briefly. He brought to my attention that New Hampshire is a right to work state so he did not have to join a union or participate in the strike. He’s got a young baby at home and was happy to take on the extra hours created for him by the strike. Perhaps the strike one effect of each region as much as I thought.

This is an interesting twist, he will be ahead twice. First he'll get extra hours, then he'll get extra benefits courtesy of the guys going on strike. (Not judging a young guy with mouths to feed, just observing the dynamic)

mofn · 10-10-2022, 11:04 AM

For the young driver noted with baby, some years ago in the Boston Globe was an obit.
The guy in question, it noted worked the 1926? Boston Police strike. Even in death he could not escape the fact he was a scab.

LoveLakeLife · 10-10-2022, 05:55 PM

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This is an interesting twist, he will be ahead twice. First he'll get extra hours, then he'll get extra benefits courtesy of the guys going on strike. (Not judging a young guy with mouths to feed, just observing the dynamic)

What would there even be to judge?

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thinkxingu · 10-10-2022, 06:24 PM

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What would there even be to judge?

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Not standing with his union. And, worse, reaping the benefits of what his union has won/will win while not standing with them.

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John Mercier · 10-10-2022, 08:26 PM

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Not standing with his union. And, worse, reaping the benefits of what his union has won/will win while not standing with them.

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Businesses do not have to pay union wages or benefits to non-union employees, they are not part of the union contract.

They also do not need to have cause for separation for a non-union employee due to the lack of a contract.

This actually got hashed out when the NHSA was working on its membership discount registration program.

10-10-2022, 09:49 AM	#1
baygo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 695 Thanks: 187 Thanked 531 Times in 227 Posts	On my way out to run an errand this morning I saw a SYSCO truck at DeAngelo‘s. I stopped and talk to the driver briefly. He brought to my attention that New Hampshire is a right to work state so he did not have to join a union or participate in the strike. He’s got a young baby at home and was happy to take on the extra hours created for him by the strike. Perhaps the strike one effect of each region as much as I thought.

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John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,029 Thanks: 2 Thanked 531 Times in 437 Posts	I don't remember NH passing RTW.

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mofn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	Having been hired 12 years after the longest unauthorized strike in a certain industry any smart business does not want a long and nasty one! Just yesterday I had a phone call w/ a retired worker and the "replacements" came up and the 3 leftovers not retired yet all came up by name, 30 plus years later! When the guy w/ the kid gets in the dodo, and has a hearing and we have to rep him that one will be like a NASA launch...T minus 10 and counting until adjournment...Oh he thinks it goes to the arbitrator, yeah, with other cherry picked cases so he is the one that will be the lamb to slaughter. Then he will have RTW else where!

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mofn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 58 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts	For the young driver noted with baby, some years ago in the Boston Globe was an obit. The guy in question, it noted worked the 1926? Boston Police strike. Even in death he could not escape the fact he was a scab.