Vaccinations

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I have more faith in the US Postal Service than the CDC to provide better information about Corona. CDC are the epitome of incompetence. In addition, when the “Administration” stops letting thousands of sick and unvaccinated illegal aliens into this country, then maybe “vaccinate hesitancy” may decrease. Until then, the hypocrisy is front and center (but this should come as no surprise).

You would think that more people would want to get vaccinated to protect themselves from all these unvaccinated illegal aliens you say are coming into the country?
Maybe if we named the vaccines "The Trump Vaccines" it would reduce "vaccinate hesitancy"?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Biggd

You would think that more people would want to get vaccinated to protect themselves from all these unvaccinated illegal aliens you say are coming into the country?
Maybe if we named the vaccines "The Trump Vaccines" it would reduce "vaccinate hesitancy"?

Makes no sense. They were the "Trump Vaccines" to begin with, so anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity to receive one when Trump was in office. I'm not the one saying that unvaccinated illegals are coming into the country. On the contrary, it's the State of Texas that's saying it as per the official letter that they sent to the Attorney General of the United States. My point is that, on the one hand, there is a major push on American citizens to get this vaccine, but there is little to no push on illegal aliens to get the vaccine. Just shining a light on the hypocrisy. If it were really such a problem, then one would think that masks, testing and vaccines would be mandatory for the thousands that are migrating across the southern border.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Makes no sense. They were the "Trump Vaccines" to begin with, so anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity to receive one when Trump was in office. I'm not the one saying that unvaccinated illegals are coming into the country. On the contrary, it's the State of Texas that's saying it as per the official letter that they sent to the Attorney General of the United States. My point is that, on the one hand, there is a major push on American citizens to get this vaccine, but there is little to no push on illegal aliens to get the vaccine. Just shining a light on the hypocrisy. If it were really such a problem, then one would think that masks, testing and vaccines would be mandatory for the thousands that are migrating across the southern border.

It's amazing the way you inject politics and completely ignore/change history.

The vaccines were not available to most adults until March or April of 2021. (Trump was gone by then--remember?)

Biden and Co have been doing everything they can to get them into anyone who will take one. This is in the face of a huge number of Republicans doing things which will slow acceptance (Open any news source you'd like.)

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's amazing the way you inject politics and completely ignore/change history.

The vaccines were not available to most adults until March or April of 2021. (Trump was gone by then--remember?)

Biden and Co have been doing everything they can to get them into anyone who will take one. This is in the face of a huge number of Republicans doing things which will slow acceptance (Open any news source you'd like.)

Who is injecting politics? That's an invalid accusation. And you make a good point when you say "....get them into anyone that will take one." Let's keep it that way, and knock it off with the trial balloons about mandatory vaccines for those that don't want it - no matter what the reason.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Who is injecting politics? That's an invalid accusation. And you make a good point when you say "....get them into anyone that will take one." Let's keep it that way, and knock it off with the trial balloons about mandatory vaccines for those that don't want it - no matter what the reason.

When you write, "Trump Vaccine"..."Texas"..."illegal aliens"--all with no real relevance to the issue at hand--and then criticize Biden policies, then you are injecting politics.

I'm surprised that you cannot see that. Maybe it's too much exposure to some very cynical politicians who seem to be making a brand out of vaccine resistance?

[trfour]

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fauc...ry?id=79192069

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

When you write, "Trump Vaccine"..."Texas"..."illegal aliens"--all with no real relevance to the issue at hand--and then criticize Biden policies, then you are injecting politics.

I'm surprised that you cannot see that. Maybe it's too much exposure to some very cynical politicians who seem to be making a brand out of vaccine resistance?

To be fair I mentioned "The Trump Vaccines" first in the hope that if we named them after him then maybe all his followers would get the vaccine.
I would give him ALL the credit if he would convince everyone that listens to him to get vaccinated.
I don't really care who gets credit as long as we put an end to this!

[TKD]

Originally Posted by Biggd

To be fair I mentioned "The Trump Vaccines" first in the hope that if we named them after him then maybe all his followers would get the vaccine.
I would give him ALL the credit if he would convince everyone that listens to him to get vaccinated.
I don't really care who gets credit as long as we put an end to this!

By end to this, I hope you mean this impossibly long thread


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[Newbiesaukee]

As I understand it, no one is compelled to read this “impossibly long thread.”

[TKD]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

As I understand it, no one is compelled to read this “impossibly long thread.”

Nor is anyone compelled to post over 1200 times. #letitgo


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[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by TKD

Nor is anyone compelled to post over 1200 times. #letitgo


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I can almost always “let things go,” but my 1200 posts have been over 17 years. My best posts are the ones I have deleted after writing them and I may do that with this one.

I really appreciate your concern for my mental health.

And welcome to the Forum.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

I can almost always “let things go,” but my 1200 posts have been over 17 years. My best posts are the ones I have deleted after writing them and I may do that with this one.

I really appreciate your concern for my mental health.

And welcome to the Forum.

Please don't. As I messaged you some months back, you've always been an awesome contributor—level, thoughtful, candid, and honest.

If anyone should take flack about post count, it's me. Bring it on TKD!

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by TKD

By end to this, I hope you mean this impossibly long thread


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No, I meant this horrible virus.
It's a shame that this virus has become so political that we can't eradicate it even though we have the vaccines to do so.
I'm sure if Trump won a second term it would be the democrats that would be the ones refusing to get vaccinate.
The left don't trust the right and right don't trust the left but the answer is always within reach somewhere in the middle.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Biggd

No, I meant this horrible virus.
It's a shame that this virus has become so political that we can't eradicate it even though we have the vaccines to do so.
I'm sure if Trump won a second term it would be the democrats that would be the ones refusing to get vaccinate.
The left don't trust the right and right don't trust the left but the answer is always within reach somewhere in the middle.

We don't technically have the means to eradicate it.
Since after vaccination, I can still harbor and transmit the virus... it isn't eradicated... just made less harmful to me because of my vaccine.

Over time, it will just separate out the various factions of our society.
Very natural, just not always life and death.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm sure if Trump won a second term it would be the democrats that would be the ones refusing to get vaccinate.
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I don't think that's quite fair. The Democrats are not perfect and do not have a monopoly on the truth, but they have been the most aggressive about anti-covid measures the entire time--social distancing, masks, various shut downs, etc. Republicans have often resisted all of these things, including in this forum.

We can debate which side is right, but let's not use one side's actions to paint the other

[John Mercier]

Considering neither side actually developed the vaccines... I really don't think it matters.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's amazing the way you inject politics and completely ignore/change history.

The vaccines were not available to most adults until March or April of 2021. (Trump was gone by then--remember?)

Biden and Co have been doing everything they can to get them into anyone who will take one. This is in the face of a huge number of Republicans doing things which will slow acceptance (Open any news source you'd like.)

Reutters is a news source I like!

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25X01L

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by ApS

Reutters is a news source I like!

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25X01L

On this we can agree, if you’re serious. Least biased and highly factual content.


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[ApS]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

On this we can agree, if you’re serious. Least biased and highly factual content.

I wasn't especially serious. Last fall, there were two famous American anti-vaxxers. Reuters carried the quote from only one of that "team".

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Considering neither side actually developed the vaccines... I really don't think it matters.

1) Can you say, "Operation Warp Speed"?

2) What would happen if 100 Million Americans were to listen to Facebook-- and Twitter's most famous personality, should he be restored from "Cancel Culture's" effects?

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I don't think that's quite fair. The Democrats are not perfect and do not have a monopoly on the truth, but they have been the most aggressive about anti-covid measures the entire time--social distancing, masks, various shut downs, etc. Republicans have often resisted all of these things, including in this forum.

We can debate which side is right, but let's not use one side's actions to paint the other.

1) The New York Times meticulously maintains their archives back to 1861. Why has NYTs content "mysteriously disappeared" since the Wuhan Laboratory received a $600 Million makeover of their air-conditioning system?

2) The nation's two most famous "anti-vaxxers" were quoted last fall. Can you name them? (Household names", unfortunately).

Hint:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25X01L

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by ApS

I wasn't especially serious. Last fall, there were two famous American anti-vaxxers. Reuters carried the quote from only one of that "team".

1) Can you say, "Operation Warp Speed"?

2) What would happen if 100 Million Americans were to listen to Facebook-- and Twitter's most famous personality, should he be restored from "Cancel Culture's" effects?

1) The New York Times meticulously maintains their archives back to 1861. Why has NYTs content "mysteriously disappeared" since the Wuhan Laboratory received a $600 Million makeover of their air-conditioning system?

2) The nation's two most famous "anti-vaxxers" were quoted last fall. Can you name them? (Household names", unfortunately).

Hint:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25X01L

Again with the manipulation.

That article has nothing to do with Harris being an anti-vaxxer—it summarizes how she would trust science over Trump, a sentiment she maintained throughout the election cycle and that EVERYONE should agree with given that, well, Trump was an idiot with Covid.

I mean, people began to drink bleach because of him! https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...ctant-comments

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[Seaplane Pilot]

More “faux narrative” I suppose….

https://texasborderbusiness.com/mcal...r-declaration/

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

1) The New York Times meticulously maintains their archives back to 1861. Why has NYTs content "mysteriously disappeared" since the Wuhan Laboratory received a $600 Million makeover of their air-conditioning system?

2) The nation's two most famous "anti-vaxxers" were quoted last fall. Can you name them? (Household names", unfortunately).

Hint:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN25X01L

Ridiculous on the NY Times--I don't believe you have any basis to show that content has mysteriously disappeared--unless that basis is one of your paranoid delusional websites.

Harris is not an anti-vaxxer. I did not fault her for saying she would not trust Trump on the vaccines. He has an incredibly long list of false statements on covid.

Furthermore, the whole premise of your argument is wrong--we do not take vaccines because we trust, or don't trust, Trump...or Biden...or Harris. We take vaccines because they have been proven to be our safest path by a rigorous, professional, scientific process.

This is America--not some weird cult of personality dictatorship where we always defer to a single person

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's amazing the way you inject politics and completely ignore/change history.

The vaccines were not available to most adults until March or April of 2021. (Trump was gone by then--remember?)

Biden and Co have been doing everything they can to get them into anyone who will take one. This is in the face of a huge number of Republicans doing things which will slow acceptance (Open any news source you'd like.)

Actually, vaccines were rolled out and available in December 2020. Trump was still president.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Actually, vaccines were rolled out and available in December 2020. Trump was still president.

The vaccines were rolled in December, but only to older people.

My post was correcting your original statement that "They were the "Trump Vaccines" to begin with, so anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity to receive one when Trump was in office."

It was not until April or so that "anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity"

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Makes no sense. They were the "Trump Vaccines" to begin with, so anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity to receive one when Trump was in office. I'm not the one saying that unvaccinated illegals are coming into the country. On the contrary, it's the State of Texas that's saying it as per the official letter that they sent to the Attorney General of the United States. My point is that, on the one hand, there is a major push on American citizens to get this vaccine, but there is little to no push on illegal aliens to get the vaccine. Just shining a light on the hypocrisy. If it were really such a problem, then one would think that masks, testing and vaccines would be mandatory for the thousands that are migrating across the southern border.

One has nothing to do with the other. That's just political posturing.
If all US citizens get vaccinated we don't have to worry about catching it from unvaccinated illegals.
There's a far greater number of unvaccinated Americans than illegals crossing the boarder. It's like "what comes first, the chicken or the egg"?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Biggd

One has nothing to do with the other. That's just political posturing.

Uh, ok....if you say so.....

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Makes no sense. They were the "Trump Vaccines" to begin with, so anyone that wanted one had ample opportunity to receive one when Trump was in office. I'm not the one saying that unvaccinated illegals are coming into the country. On the contrary, it's the State of Texas that's saying it as per the official letter that they sent to the Attorney General of the United States. My point is that, on the one hand, there is a major push on American citizens to get this vaccine, but there is little to no push on illegal aliens to get the vaccine. Just shining a light on the hypocrisy. If it were really such a problem, then one would think that masks, testing and vaccines would be mandatory for the thousands that are migrating across the southern border.

Actually, research on SARS and MERS have been going on for nearly two decades, so it’s not really Trump vaccines. Basic knowledge was already well understood.


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