Winter Island Vehicle

ishoot308 · 12-04-2008, 11:00 AM

I am curious what some of you island dwellers use for vehicles in the winter to get to your camps once the ice is safe...

I know a snowmobile is probably the most widely used for transport, but I was thinking that something like an Arctic Cat prowler as shown in link below would be a great vehicle. It is heavier than a snowmobile but, fully enclosed with heat, four wheel drive, lots of power, ability to tow a utility trailer and can be used year round as well around your regular home. Seems like a great rig with a lot of potential year round uses as opposed to a snowmobile which can only be used in the winter.

Thoughts anyone??

Thanks!

Dan

http://www.arcticcatpowersports.com/...-savings-event

Woodsy · 12-04-2008, 12:03 PM

ishoot...

While I am sure they work just fine in certain condidtions, there are many problems with this vehicle and others like it when using them on the ice...

1. They are heavy and tend to get stuck in deep snow.

2. It might have a difficult time negotiating pressure ridges.

3. Getting on & off the ice sometimes means crossing some shallow open water.

3. The enclosed cabin concerns me.... should you fall thru the ice (god forbid) would you be able to open the doors and get out???

Woodsy

ishoot308 · 12-04-2008, 12:39 PM

Thanks Woodsy;

Point well taken about going through the ice and traveling over pressure ridges! They apparently also make a track attachment for this rig for snow use. The wheels come off and track goes on. I'm hoping someone on the forum has one or has tried one.

Dan

WeirsBeachBoater · 12-04-2008, 01:14 PM

I would stay away from the Prowler. Either head towards Yamaha's Rhino or Polaris Ranger Line of UTVs. Woodsy brings up good points. You might as well head out on the ice with a Toyota Pickup 4x4, these are heavy and if you encounter Pressure Ridges, or open water at the edge, you are essentially stopped in your tracks. Also with the wheels on the low bellypan clearance can be an issue in deep snow. The track kits are great and will go over or thru most things. However you are adding another $3000 plus to the cost. Snowmobile or hovercraft. Those are you best bets if you need to have dependable transportation to the island in the winter.

Bear Islander · 12-04-2008, 02:21 PM

This is my ride to the island, "back country" skis with half skins. No weight problems and never need refueling. Plus pictures of wife and son for inspiration.

ishoot308 · 12-04-2008, 04:07 PM

WBB;

Thanks for your input...

The hovercraft or snowmobile sound good if its just people you are carrying for simple transportation, but if you want to remove or add furniture or appliances during the winter months when the lake is frozen over, I would think something that can tow or haul a utility trailer with skis or similar would be better. I realize the ice obviously needs to be thick enough, but I live in the area and coordinating heavy hauling off the island when ice is safe shouldn't be an issue.

Maybe spending the money on the track option would be well worth it...

Thanks again!

Dan

Formula260SS · 12-04-2008, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

WBB;

Thanks for your input...

The hovercraft or snowmobile sound good if its just people you are carrying for simple transportation, but if you want to remove or add furniture or appliances during the winter months when the lake is frozen over, I would think something that can tow or haul a utility trailer with skis or similar would be better. I realize the ice obviously needs to be thick enough, but I live in the area and coordinating heavy hauling off the island when ice is safe shouldn't be an issue.

Maybe spending the money on the track option would be well worth it...

Thanks again!

Dan

You'd be surprised how much weight a snowmobile can pull, some simple skis mounted under a heafty load shouldn't be a problem for a moderatly powered machine

Mee-n-Mac · 12-04-2008, 10:30 PM

How about one of these ? I'd worry about it's ability in deep snow though I think you can get (?snow?) tracks for these 6 wheelers too. You wouldn't have to worry about drowning / sinking though getting from the water back onto the ice might be problematical. Plus it would be unique !

If you really think the ice is safe, I'd guess your best bet is a used 4WD pickup or SUV. Bet you can get one cheap now and they have other uses than driving on the frozen lake.

codeman671 · 12-05-2008, 07:39 AM

If you want the ultimate in comfort, safety (and warmth) forget about snowmobiles and ATV's, look into one of these.

You can sometimes find a used one on Ebay for $20-30k, new will run $50k-60k. Do a search of "airboat" for threads by myself or Sunset Bob.

Did Jon help you on the insurance?

Slickcraft · 12-05-2008, 08:34 AM

When the ice is safe for island travel, there is often a pressure ridge about 100 yards off the windward side of islands. That is the case for Welch Island, the ice pack drifts SE with the prevailing NW wind where the ice against the island is resistant. Often there is open surface water on one side of the ridge with ice under the surface water.

ishoot308 · 12-05-2008, 09:01 AM

Codeman;

The wife is working on the insurance today... I gave her the info as well as a couple of other recommended agents. We will see what happens.

About the air boat...Lets say i wanted to move a refrigerator, couch or something similar, can you do that with the air boat??

Thanks!

Dan

WeirsBeachBoater · 12-05-2008, 09:47 AM

I was just sitting here thinking, How it seems difficult to get a Fridge across to an island in the winter. Then I thought about how back in the early 1900 they used to move buildings across the ice.... Ala Diamond Island House to Weirs....

fatlazyless · 12-05-2008, 09:45 PM

Maybe five different times, I've seen someone go from Cattle Landing (I'm guessing) out to either Mark or maybe Mink Island while on cross country skis and pulling a home-made looking haul sled also on skis.

It's a case of slow but sure wins the race. Let's see....a shopping trip to the Etcetera Shop for some used wood cross country skis, boots and poles....and building a ski-sled hauler.

And, you are good to go, for short money. Nothing like a little physical labor to get to appreciate getting there.

ishoot308 · 12-05-2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Maybe five different times, I've seen someone go from Cattle Landing (I'm guessing) out to either Mark or maybe Mink Island while on cross country skis and pulling a home-made looking haul sled also on skis.

It's a case of slow but sure wins the race. Let's see....a shopping trip to the Etcetera Shop for some used wood cross country skis, boots and poles....and building a ski-sled hauler.

And, you are good to go, for short money. Nothing like a little physical labor to get to appreciate getting there.

FLL:

By any chance did you happen to see this same person hauling a refrigerator or couch in his ski sled hauler??

Dan

codeman671 · 12-06-2008, 07:03 AM

I don't think that I would put a couch or a refrigerator in it, but how often are you hauling something so big in the winter? They make a larger version, a 24' that definitely could but you are talking big $$$. Mine sat 6 people. If you are planning on needing a couch or a refrigerator moved, if you close in the next week or two like you mentioned you can still get there by boat until late December. ISS still has workboats in and will usually until the week of ice-in.

If you really needed to haul something so big in the winter over ice, ISS can put it in his airboat, his is more of a work horse than mine was. He has an open style.

I bought mine for safe accessibility whenever I wanted to get out there. You never have to worry about ice conditions. The transitions from water to ice and back were seemless.

FYI- I don't know if the Prowlers have heat as an option. I did not see anything about heat on the Cat website. The Kubota RTV series does have heat though.

SAMIAM · 12-06-2008, 12:48 PM

A snowmobile will easily pull another snowmobille,weighing 500-600lbs,even up a hill.You could easily tow a refrigerator or couch on any trailer with runners.A hovercraft or airboat will not pull a load.Wheeled vehicles will get bogged down in deep snow including my Dodge 2500 4x4 .
Years ago,I bought a small used Tucker Sno Cat from one of the ski areas and it was great.Enclosed,heated....go anywhere and pull anything......outside of that I'd stay with a snowmobile.

12-04-2008, 11:00 AM	#1
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,959 Thanks: 2,298 Thanked 4,959 Times in 1,924 Posts	Winter Island Vehicle I am curious what some of you island dwellers use for vehicles in the winter to get to your camps once the ice is safe... I know a snowmobile is probably the most widely used for transport, but I was thinking that something like an Arctic Cat prowler as shown in link below would be a great vehicle. It is heavier than a snowmobile but, fully enclosed with heat, four wheel drive, lots of power, ability to tow a utility trailer and can be used year round as well around your regular home. Seems like a great rig with a lot of potential year round uses as opposed to a snowmobile which can only be used in the winter. Thoughts anyone?? Thanks! Dan http://www.arcticcatpowersports.com/...-savings-event Last edited by ishoot308; 12-04-2008 at 12:17 PM. Reason: spelling

12-04-2008, 12:03 PM	#2
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,952 Thanks: 80 Thanked 971 Times in 433 Posts	ishoot... While I am sure they work just fine in certain condidtions, there are many problems with this vehicle and others like it when using them on the ice... 1. They are heavy and tend to get stuck in deep snow. 2. It might have a difficult time negotiating pressure ridges. 3. Getting on & off the ice sometimes means crossing some shallow open water. 3. The enclosed cabin concerns me.... should you fall thru the ice (god forbid) would you be able to open the doors and get out??? Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

12-04-2008, 01:14 PM	#4
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	Fwiw I would stay away from the Prowler. Either head towards Yamaha's Rhino or Polaris Ranger Line of UTVs. Woodsy brings up good points. You might as well head out on the ice with a Toyota Pickup 4x4, these are heavy and if you encounter Pressure Ridges, or open water at the edge, you are essentially stopped in your tracks. Also with the wheels on the low bellypan clearance can be an issue in deep snow. The track kits are great and will go over or thru most things. However you are adding another $3000 plus to the cost. Snowmobile or hovercraft. Those are you best bets if you need to have dependable transportation to the island in the winter.

12-04-2008, 02:21 PM	#5
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,758 Thanks: 31 Thanked 430 Times in 204 Posts	This is my ride to the island, "back country" skis with half skins. No weight problems and never need refueling. Plus pictures of wife and son for inspiration. Attached Images

12-04-2008, 10:30 PM	#8
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Old School ? How about one of these ? I'd worry about it's ability in deep snow though I think you can get (?snow?) tracks for these 6 wheelers too. You wouldn't have to worry about drowning / sinking though getting from the water back onto the ice might be problematical. Plus it would be unique ! If you really think the ice is safe, I'd guess your best bet is a used 4WD pickup or SUV. Bet you can get one cheap now and they have other uses than driving on the frozen lake. Attached Images __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

12-04-2008, 12:39 PM	#3
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,959 Thanks: 2,298 Thanked 4,959 Times in 1,924 Posts	Thanks Woodsy; Point well taken about going through the ice and traveling over pressure ridges! They apparently also make a track attachment for this rig for snow use. The wheels come off and track goes on. I'm hoping someone on the forum has one or has tried one. Dan

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12-04-2008, 04:07 PM	#6
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,959 Thanks: 2,298 Thanked 4,959 Times in 1,924 Posts	WBB; Thanks for your input... The hovercraft or snowmobile sound good if its just people you are carrying for simple transportation, but if you want to remove or add furniture or appliances during the winter months when the lake is frozen over, I would think something that can tow or haul a utility trailer with skis or similar would be better. I realize the ice obviously needs to be thick enough, but I live in the area and coordinating heavy hauling off the island when ice is safe shouldn't be an issue. Maybe spending the money on the track option would be well worth it... Thanks again! Dan

12-05-2008, 07:39 AM	#9
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 213 Thanked 768 Times in 451 Posts	I miss this toy... If you want the ultimate in comfort, safety (and warmth) forget about snowmobiles and ATV's, look into one of these. You can sometimes find a used one on Ebay for $20-30k, new will run $50k-60k. Do a search of "airboat" for threads by myself or Sunset Bob. Did Jon help you on the insurance? Attached Images

12-05-2008, 08:34 AM	#10
Slickcraft Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Welch Island and West Alton Posts: 3,231 Thanks: 1,180 Thanked 2,015 Times in 921 Posts	Pressure ridges When the ice is safe for island travel, there is often a pressure ridge about 100 yards off the windward side of islands. That is the case for Welch Island, the ice pack drifts SE with the prevailing NW wind where the ice against the island is resistant. Often there is open surface water on one side of the ridge with ice under the surface water.

12-05-2008, 09:01 AM	#11
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 5,959 Thanks: 2,298 Thanked 4,959 Times in 1,924 Posts	Codeman; The wife is working on the insurance today... I gave her the info as well as a couple of other recommended agents. We will see what happens. About the air boat...Lets say i wanted to move a refrigerator, couch or something similar, can you do that with the air boat?? Thanks! Dan

12-05-2008, 09:47 AM	#12
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	I was just sitting here thinking, How it seems difficult to get a Fridge across to an island in the winter. Then I thought about how back in the early 1900 they used to move buildings across the ice.... Ala Diamond Island House to Weirs....

12-05-2008, 09:45 PM	#13
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,546 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 297 Thanked 958 Times in 699 Posts	Maybe five different times, I've seen someone go from Cattle Landing (I'm guessing) out to either Mark or maybe Mink Island while on cross country skis and pulling a home-made looking haul sled also on skis. It's a case of slow but sure wins the race. Let's see....a shopping trip to the Etcetera Shop for some used wood cross country skis, boots and poles....and building a ski-sled hauler. And, you are good to go, for short money. Nothing like a little physical labor to get to appreciate getting there. __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

12-06-2008, 07:03 AM	#15
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,376 Thanks: 213 Thanked 768 Times in 451 Posts	I don't think that I would put a couch or a refrigerator in it, but how often are you hauling something so big in the winter? They make a larger version, a 24' that definitely could but you are talking big $$$. Mine sat 6 people. If you are planning on needing a couch or a refrigerator moved, if you close in the next week or two like you mentioned you can still get there by boat until late December. ISS still has workboats in and will usually until the week of ice-in. If you really needed to haul something so big in the winter over ice, ISS can put it in his airboat, his is more of a work horse than mine was. He has an open style. I bought mine for safe accessibility whenever I wanted to get out there. You never have to worry about ice conditions. The transitions from water to ice and back were seemless. FYI- I don't know if the Prowlers have heat as an option. I did not see anything about heat on the Cat website. The Kubota RTV series does have heat though.

12-06-2008, 12:48 PM	#16
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,846 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,628 Times in 563 Posts	A snowmobile will easily pull another snowmobille,weighing 500-600lbs,even up a hill.You could easily tow a refrigerator or couch on any trailer with runners.A hovercraft or airboat will not pull a load.Wheeled vehicles will get bogged down in deep snow including my Dodge 2500 4x4 . Years ago,I bought a small used Tucker Sno Cat from one of the ski areas and it was great.Enclosed,heated....go anywhere and pull anything......outside of that I'd stay with a snowmobile.