Virus Expert Just Said These States in Trouble

[trfour]

"Over 85% of the state's population has gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to federal data. The "overwhelming majority" of those who are getting infected are unvaccinated, Lamont said. More severe cases are also largely in those who are unvaccinated; of those currently hospitalized, over 76% are not fully vaccinated, according to state data".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by trfour

Over 85% of the state's population has gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to federal data. The "overwhelming majority" of those who are getting infected are unvaccinated, Lamont said. More severe cases are also largely in those who are unvaccinated; of those currently hospitalized, over 76% are not fully vaccinated, according to state data.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

You spelled "24% of those currently hospitalized in CT with Covid are fully vaccinated despite the state having 72.9% of the population fully vaccinated." wrong.

Woodsy

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

You spelled "24% of those currently hospitalized in CT with Covid are fully vaccinated despite the state having 72.9% of the population fully vaccinated." wrong.



Woodsy

If 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of the hospitalizations would be vaccinated people.

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[Woodsy]

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

It's always been about fear. An article came out 2 days ago entitled "COVID-19 - a Pandemic of Fear ‘Manufactured’ by Authorities: Yale Epidemiologist". Coincidently, Yale is in Connecticut.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

It's always been about fear. An article came out 2 days ago entitled "COVID-19 - a Pandemic of Fear ‘Manufactured’ by Authorities: Yale Epidemiologist". Coincidently, Yale is in Connecticut.

It looks like that quote was part of an Epoch Times interview, for anyone looking.

I mean, I think he's right, though I also think it wasn't as terrible as it sounds. We're approaching 800k deaths with incredible mitigation measures—what would that number be otherwise?

That being said, I've always thought there was a middle ground we were never able to achieve, not unlike our political state as a whole.

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[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

Because it never hits home until the hospital bill comes due.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

As was pointed out below.... I was schooled! My apologies

Woodsy

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Because it is all about the math... and you must be doing that new math....

IF the numbers in CT are to be believed, on the surface it appears that vaxxed or unvaxxed, you have very similar chances of landing in the hospital.

CT population = 3.565M or 3,565,000
% Fully Vaxxed = 72.19% or 2.573.5M or 2,573,573.5
% Unvaxxed = 27.81% or .991M or 991,426
(No need to bring the 84.3% with at least 1 dose into the math)

525 people currently hospitalized in CT
399 (76%) of those hospitalized are fully vaccinated
126 (24%) of those hospitalized are unvaccinated

The math is very similar as far as your chances of hospitalization go... 76% of those hospitalized represent 72.2% of the population. 24% of those hospitalized represent 27.8% of the population. The numbers seem to indicate that despite being vaxxed, you have a slightly GREATER chance of hospitalization.

Woodsy

I don't mind people teasing me with laugh emojis, "new math", etc when I've made a mistake. That's all in good fun. But you've got a bit of egg on your face here.

If you read both of your posts again, you will see that you've flipped the numbers. In your first post you noted that 24% of the hospital patients are vaxxed, but in your second post, you say that 76% of hospital patients are vaxxed. Oops

If you do the math again using your original numbers, you will see they suggest an unvaxxed person is 8.5X as likely to end up in the hospital.

[trfour]

" "We, right now, have more patients in the hospital, overall, than we have had at either of the two peaks previously. You come in one day and you say this is the worst we've ever seen it and you come back the next day and it's even worse. This is very concerning, what's going on right now," UMass Memorial Health Care President and CEO Dr. Eric Dickson told during an interview ABC News Wednesday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

These 6 States Have Half of All COVID Hospitalizations in the U.S.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"New York enacted a mask mandate at the beginning of the pandemic in April 2020 that lasted more than a year. The new mask mandate applies to both patrons and staff and will be in effect from Monday to Jan. 15, after which the state will reevaluate."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ne...edgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

There's a lot of info here ...... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...vid-cases.html ..... all about New Hampshire ....."How trends have changed in New Hampshire" ...... updated Dec 12, 2021 ...... hopefully it can be seen without a pay wall?

[trfour]

Another grim Covid-19 milestone: At least 800,000 Americans have died.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...covid-rcna8380

[trfour]

WASHINGTON (The Hill) — An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

Fauci: ‘If it becomes necessary to get yet another boost, then we’ll just have to deal with it’.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

The CDC briefing Tuesday detailed two scenarios for how the omicron variant may spread through this country. The worst case scenario has spooked top health officials, who fear a fresh wave, layered on top of delta and influenza cases in what one described as “a triple whammy,” could overwhelm health systems and devastate communities, particularly those with low vaccination rates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/om...edgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

Gov Chris Sununu and Dr. Benjamin Chin, state epidemiologist: Dec 16, 2021, 3-pm; NH PBS .... live video briefing and NH covid data .... http://www.wmur.com/article/new-hamp...graph/36731268 ....... this starts at 3:13 and it goes to 53:50 .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meTHSBHzLwQ ..... make your own assessment and plan to get vaccinated? ..... 55.5% of NH is fully vaccinated, is what it says.

Say-hey ..... who me, worried? .... what me worry as Alfred E Neuman used to say in Mad Magazine ..... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman ..... I got me 3rd vaxx back in Sept and will be going for me 4th vaxx, asap pdq ..... so yeah, I'm worried! .... "after all, it takes at least four balls to get a walk to first base!" ... Yogi Berra

[trfour]

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that the next few weeks will see severe stress on hospital systems as the omicron variant is "raging around the world."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...world-rcna9293

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Just Issued This "Unprecedented" Warning.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

New research from Denmark and the UK this week demonstrates that mRNA boosters -- like Moderna's and Pfizer's -- offer significant protection against the new omicron variant of COVID-19. However, data from the UK on Friday indicates that booster protection starts to decrease notably after 10 weeks.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...edgdhp&pc=U531

[Lakegeezer]

What a difference a month makes. Latest numbers in Florida are 17,825/day or 83 per 100,000. That is a 1380% increase in cases per 100K in the past month and FL has surpassed MI and MN, pervious targets of ridicule. Once all is over, the analysis on the effectiveness of lockdowns, masks and vaccinations will be reported. The important metrics will be hospitalizations, deaths and long term health issues. Till then, lots of experimentation going on. Too early to "learn" from other's short-term results.

From: 11/27

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

The Sunshine State reported a daily average of 1,393 coronavirus cases as of Friday, six per 100,000, which was a two percent decrease over the last two weeks.

At the same time Florida reported the lowest amount of new cases in the country per capita, coronavirus cases are surging in many states where strict lockdown orders were issued by Democratic governors.

Michigan, where Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer imposed some of the most controversial restrictions in the nation during the height of the pandemic, leads the nation in daily coronavirus cases per capita.

The hope is that the states like Michigan and Minnesota who are experiencing a surge in cases will "learn from Florida's experience" and promote treatments that work as opposed to lockdowns which "we've seen time and time again" do not.

[Newbiesaukee]

There is no question of an increase in cases and the vast majority of the hospitalization and deaths are in the unvaccinated. There are few valid reasons not to be vaccinated.

BUT, as I see it, most of the other daily statistics are confusing and misleading. Not necessarily intentionally. First, testing by self kits, testing in state, pharmacy facilities is way up. Even PCR self testing is available. What we never did well and don’t really do well now is community surveillance which would give real actionable numbers. A friend might say, cases increased by 25,000 yesterday in FL, which is where I am. But the number is essentially meaningless. Because reporting is irregular, you can’t really even accurately compare it to yesterday. And NH is no better.

Rant over except for one tiny political aside. “No one could have seen this coming” is total nonsense. And that from today’s White House. Actually, anyone who cared could have seen this coming. Granted that in todays climate it might have made no difference.

[ITD]

The not so subtle difference from this time last year is we are talking about cases and not deaths as a metric, that's a good thing.

[trfour]

"If you have a much larger number of individual cases, the fact that you have so many more cases might actually obviate the effect of it being less severe," Fauci said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...days-rcna10094

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Says This Is When the Omicron Wave Will Peak.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

[fatlazyless]

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/us...d-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough" ..... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/middl...ntl/index.html ..... "Israel begins fourth Covid-19 dose vaccine ..."

"Those eligible for the fourth dose can receive it provided at least four months have passed since the third dose, it said. In Israel, almost all vaccinated citizens have received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine."

I got my third vaccination on about Sept 10, about four months ago, and after four months the effectiveness supposedly starts to decrease? ...

You gotta read all the email comments, down the bottom on this NY Times report.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/us...d-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough" ..... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/middl...ntl/index.html ..... "Israel begins fourth Covid-19 dose vaccine ..."

"Those eligible for the fourth dose can receive it provided at least four months have passed since the third dose, it said. In Israel, almost all vaccinated citizens have received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine."

I got my third vaccination on about Sept 10, about four months ago, and after four months the effectiveness supposedly starts to decrease? ...

You gotta read all the email comments, down the bottom on this NY Times report.

Note that unlike the first 3 shots, there is still considerable uncertainty among the experts--and by this I mean real experts, not political hacks--as to whether a 4th shot is beneficial overall.

Best to just chill for now and watch how things go in Israel. Your booster and mask still have plenty of effectiveness!

[fatlazyless]

While a paid subscription is almost always needed to read NH's largest newspaper, the Union Leader, their tweets are .... http://www.twitter.com/UnionLeader/s...79395512770561 .... easy to see .... "... and Catholic Medical Center in Manchester is under siege from an onslaught of unvaccinated patients infected over the holidays."

..... and a great big Merry Christmas to you, dearie ... cough-cough-cough! ....

..... think I go try to get a fourth vaccination shot and be upgrading to the N-95 mask that fits tight around the face with treated mask material.

Novak Djokovic, tennis #1...... his first name, Novak, is eerily similar 'no vaccination' ..... Novack-no vaccination-Djokovic ..... just thought I would mention that? ..... http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/sp...c-vaccine.html ... So, maybe it was his destiny or he was pre-disposed to become a no vaccinate Novack?

[trfour]

U.S. reaches 1 million daily Covid cases amid spread of omicron variant.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...iant-rcna10866

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

Good Lord.

Florida has all under control ?

"Florida breaks its record with 76,887 new infections Friday; 1 out of 3 COVID-19 tests is positive"

LINK

If sick people did not get tested then the numbers would be lower in Florida.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

If sick people did not get tested then the numbers would be lower in Florida.

This. If nobody tests, nobody has Covid. Florida wasn't testing at nearly the rates of the rest of the country, hence the ~1 million expired tests recently discovered.

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[TiltonBB]

I don't know what is true. I am hearing that people checking into hospitals for other issues, with no covid symptoms, get tested. If they are positive they are listed in the covid statistics. I think a lot of people all over the country have had covid and moved on, without ever being tested or feeling symptoms other than a mild cold.

I went to the Fort Myers Seafood festival this afternoon. There were easily 5,000 people there and I saw two with masks. Good? Bad? Who knows.
Florida’s seven-day average as of Friday was of 0.09 deaths a day per 100,000, or the state with the second-lowest rate in the country.

Some things we hear and read may be true but I also think the politicians are making political hay out of it. If the unvaccinated, unmasked people are such a problem why are our current leaders letting them in and giving them free flights to deposit them all over the country?

"The nation’s former border chief reported today that the Biden administration has placed some 40,000 illegal immigrants infected with the coronavirus into American cities."

So what do you believe?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I don't know what is true. I am hearing that people checking into hospitals for other issues, with no covid symptoms, get tested. If they are positive they are listed in the covid statistics. I think a lot of people all over the country have had covid and moved on, without ever being tested or feeling symptoms other than a mild cold.

I went to the Fort Myers Seafood festival this afternoon. There were easily 5,000 people there and I saw two with masks. Good? Bad? Who knows.

Some things we hear and read may be true but I also think the politicians are making political hay out of it. If the unvaccinated, unmasked people are such a problem why are our current leaders letting them in and giving them free flights to deposit them all over the country?

"The nation’s former border chief reported today that the Biden administration has placed some 40,000 illegal immigrants infected with the coronavirus into American cities."

So what do you believe?

It's easy to see politicians such as DeSantis making "political hay" out of Covid and immigration. I think he (they) deceived us a week ago with misleading numbers, and now they are trying to distract us with immigration.

It's much harder to see any Democrats trying score points on these issues--on Covid, they beg people to get vaxxed and wear masks, on immigration they say nothing. You might think these are bad policies (they sure aren't political winners!). But that is different than them working to deceive us as DeSantis did

[TheProfessor]

"Florida reported 76,887 new COVID-19 cases on Friday"

What part of the Florida Department of Health don't you understand ?

[John Mercier]

Immigration is only a distraction to those that didn't pay attention in primary school. Friedrich Engels is the chief instigator of those policies, with the Know Nothing Party embedded it in our American culture.

People and businesses that are vaccinated and lowering their public exposure should come through this very well positioned.

If they are using natural infection... larger hospitalization risk (that cost money), and like the vaccines the immunity wanes. So they would need to be reinfected every six months or so... which increases that cost risk.

It is really just establishing a better risk profile over time.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by TheProfessor

"Florida reported 76,887 new COVID-19 cases on Friday"

What part of the Florida Department of Health don't you understand ?

The numbers have increased with the seasonal population change. The influx of snowbirds would have caused the same issue in any other state.

Florida has approximately 21 million residents. That grows by 3 to 4 million people every winter. Those people come from various backgrounds and areas that may be inundated with covid.

The state's permanent population grows by about 1,000 people per day, unlike the northern states that have people fleeing. Obviously, that will change the covid statistics as well.

With this change in numbers and the mobility of people it is no surprise that the covid numbers have begun to rise.

[John Mercier]

The last I knew they based the numbers on where your declare your residence.

The increase could be a surge from non-residents carrying it into areas, but the actual numbers would be declared residents.

They don't have it under control, because no one has it under control.

The issue is simply hospitalizations and lost time to labor.

Hospitalizations have additional costs to the system... seldom paid by the individual out-of-pocket; and lost time to labor is because it transmits so fast that by the time they get the first employee tested, several others have it. By the time they get us all isolated, the shift... or worse... is no longer viable.

We are not going to be able to control it without changes in our everyday system.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

The last I knew they based the numbers on where your declare your residence.

The increase could be a surge from non-residents carrying it into areas, but the actual numbers would be declared residents.

Non-resident data on COVID-19 cases, tests, and vaccines are not regulated in any way.

The absence of governance leads to states presenting data in any format or disregarding it altogether despite the capacity of this data to have major impacts on trends and rates, especially during periods of frequent travel.

To me, it wouldn't make any sense if, say, a snowbird from Ohio who went to Florida for the winter in November died from Covid in a Miami hospital in February was listed as an Ohio death. I believe the statistics are kept and reported by your actual location at the time of the incident.

[fatlazyless]

So, I got turned away and sent out the door yesterday morning, Saturday, January 8, when I tried to get myself my fourth vaccination shot of Pfizer with a scheduled appointment time at the NH-state run, vaccination blitz held in Ashland NH in the former state liquor store at Exit 24. The parking lot out front, was so full of cars I had to park across the road at the lumber yard. Inside, it was very full of people looking to get vaccinated.

Between walking in the former state liquor building, presenting my drivers license, vaccination card, scheduled time, start filling out form and getting told to leave, it involved myself with two attending people and about maybe four minutes time, all told, while a brief consult with some higher authority person was made? Oh well .... Live Free or Die-NH ..... think I will stay away from indoor pickleball for a while until I can get a fourth vaccination shot ..... somewhere ..... and use the better quality, tighter fitting, treated material N-95 medical mask for shopping at Walmart and Market Basket and www.heathsmarket.com

My vaccination card shows September 12, 2021 for my third shot, four months ago, and I have read how the vaccination loses some of its' effectiveness after about four months.

So, what's my plan? On Saturday, January 15, between 9 - noon, there will be a vaccination clinic at the Meredith Community Center held by Altrusa International of Meredith.

Another place for me to go is back to the CVS in Plymouth, where I got my first three shots. This Plymouth CVS was like totally TOTALLY excellent, all three times, probably because it was totally empty of people getting vaccinated, except for me, all three times. ....

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/u...d-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough"

If at first you don't succeed ...... then quit ..... .... no way! ....... I will try, try, try it again, somewhere else! .... ..... And, as you probably know, your CDC heavy paper vaccination record card has four spaces for recording the date and batch #, so mine has a fourth vacant space or line, now awaiting my fourth vaccination information.

http://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/wo...-and-over.html ...... over age-60

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Non-resident data on COVID-19 cases, tests, and vaccines are not regulated in any way.

The absence of governance leads to states presenting data in any format or disregarding it altogether despite the capacity of this data to have major impacts on trends and rates, especially during periods of frequent travel.

To me, it wouldn't make any sense if, say, a snowbird from Ohio who went to Florida for the winter in November died from Covid in a Miami hospital in February was listed as an Ohio death. I believe the statistics are kept and reported by your actual location at the time of the incident.

No. Florida had a huge case were one of the people keeping their database was very upset that those that tested positive in Florida were not being counted unless they were declared residents of Florida. I don't believe that has been changed.

Florida would choose to list that as an Ohio covid case, and an Ohio covid death.

That type of stuff has been in the news since covid reporting has begun.

NH has issues on its reporting, but has been very open on those issues... something that can not be said of Florida.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The numbers have increased with the seasonal population change. The influx of snowbirds would have caused the same issue in any other state.

Florida has approximately 21 million residents. That grows by 3 to 4 million people every winter. Those people come from various backgrounds and areas that may be inundated with covid.

The state's permanent population grows by about 1,000 people per day, unlike the northern states that have people fleeing. Obviously, that will change the covid statistics as well.

With this change in numbers and the mobility of people it is no surprise that the covid numbers have begun to rise.

Begun to rise? They've skyrocketed!

1,000 new Florida residents/day is a big number. But it's nothing compared to the average daily covid cases--now at 58,000 for Florida. Even if every newcomer has covid, you're still at 57,000. So I'm going to have to disagree on the newcomers changing the stats.

Also, when you say wintertime is tough for covid in Florida, you remind me that a few months ago the governor said summertime was tough because "it's our indoor season".

As I noted above, Rick DeSantis is working hard every day...to deceive us

[John Mercier]

I think what TiltonBB meant was due to the number of non-residents coming in from other States during the winter Florida would see a surge of infected individuals carrying the virus to the residents of the State.

We all know that travel from one area to another area is how the infection is spreading. So the presumption that infection is being carried from other States into Florida and then spreading within their resident population is extremely likely.

DeSantis has the ability to slow (though I don't think stop) that. He just doesn't think he should.

[fatlazyless]

So's, anyone here in New Hampshire get a fourth shot of the Pfizer yet, and where the H... do I go? ...

https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19...-vaccine-dose/ ... January 3, 2022

[John Mercier]

I don't think you can.
I have the third booster, but that was more to keep up-to-date for employment offers coming in that require the third to be considered completely vaccinated.

[trfour]

Virus Expert Warned We're in a "Really Bad Surge",


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=2

[fatlazyless]

"Starting later this week, some at-risk Americans become eligible for a 4th Shot".

Over at the NH state liquor store in Plymouth which replaced the now closed store in Ashland, you get 10% off the purchase of 3 or more bottles of NH products right now, mixed or matched, any size.

So, I try to get a 4th shot of the Pfizer and I get shown the door, but this ..... https://nytimes.com/2022/01/09/healt...e-booster.html .... January 9, 2022 ...... suggests getting a fourth vaccination shot could become as available as Live Free Distillery Mountain Top Vodka, sold at your NH State Liquor Store for $25.99/1.75L less an extra 10% with purchase of 3 or more bottles! ..... ..... and jab me with my 4th shot! .....

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Just Issued This Omicron Update.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

So's, anyone here in New Hampshire get a fourth shot of the Pfizer yet, and where the H... do I go? ...

https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19...-vaccine-dose/ ... January 3, 2022

Hey FLL: Still looking for additional jabs of the Fauci Ouchie? Have you given any thought to moving to India?

A pensioner illegally booked himself in for 12 Covid jabs in less than a year before he was caught by cops in India.

Brahamdev Mandal, 84, had all the vaccines in just 11 months and even managed to book two less than 30 minutes apart on the same day.

The serial-vaxxer was only able to sign up for extra jabs by lying to health officials and using the ID of other people who also needed the lifesaving serum.

He said he wanted to feel stronger during the pandemic and rid himself of the joint pain he has suffered for eight years.

The former postman has been accused of a string of offences by police in the village of Orai, in Bihar, India where he lives.

[TiltonBB]

Ocugen has a vaccine that is already approved in some other countries and is pending approval in the United States and Canada. It looks promising against new variants.

The clinical-stage biotech firm has been co-developing a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine with India's Bharat Biotech, and the latest round of data shows their BBV152 booster neutralizes both the Omicron and Delta variants of the virus that causes COVID-19.

The treatment generated a robust neutralizing antibody response against both strains using a live virus neutralization assay. Test serum results showed the Delta variant was neutralized 100% of the time while Omicron neutralized at a rate of 90%.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Hey FLL: Still looking for additional jabs of the Fauci Ouchie? Have you given any thought to moving to India?

Traveling to India is a totally super-duper suggestion but I just think I'll self-isolate and spend the rest of January working on the installation of this $13 snowblower replacement carburetor and primer push bulb onto my TroyBilt 2410 snowblower. If I can get it done correct between now and February, this will be a major accomplishment for me! ....

Plus, the weather needs to warm up to 25-degrees so's I can work on it, outdoors. Right now it's done warmed up to ten but it needs to get warmer for working on a snowblower like this.
...............

... symptoms of omicron? ...... http://www.wmur.com/article/covid-om...pital/38743393

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci says ‘just about everybody’ will get COVID-19.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Surgeon General Just Issued This "Difficult" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...n=true#image=1

[trfour]

"So even though it's possible to start imagining that the end of the pandemic is not far away, just everybody be ready for the possibility that there will be more variations and mutations coming along, or that there will be further challenges, other surges of even Omicron coming."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[WinnisquamZ]

Very encouraging statement from a Dr Ryan at Mass General

https://rescue.substack.com/p/mass-g...ts-no-boosters


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[John Mercier]

Predicting?

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Very encouraging statement from a Dr Ryan at Mass General

https://rescue.substack.com/p/mass-g...ts-no-boosters


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Just a note that Mass. General has a statement on their page saying that the details in the attached article come from "an individual's personal notes from listening to a talk by Edward Ryan, MD" and that they "lack context, details, and nuance."

There was a similar article about a Pennsylvania epidemiologist, but I can't seem to find it.

In short, we all want this to end and await how it will.

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[trfour]

Dr. Fauci says it’s too soon to tell whether omicron will end the pandemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...emic-rcna12553

[pondguy]

The free test site is up and running. https://www.covidtests.gov/

[trfour]

How and Why Some People Can Get COVID-19 Twice, According to Dr. Fauci.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"Viruses are constantly changing, including the virus that causes Covid-19," the CDC said in a statement.

"The level of protection offered by vaccination and surviving a previous infection changed during the study period. Vaccination remains the safest strategy for protecting against Covid-19," it added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/na...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Placebo effect the true cause of many reported COVID-19 vaccine side effects: Study;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Much Worse" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"Protection against infection and hospitalization with the omicron variant is highest for those who are up to date with their vaccination, meaning those who are boosted when they are eligible," said CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky during a White House Covid Task Force briefing Friday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...cron-rcna13038

[trfour]

Fauci expects most states to reach peak omicron by February. Close to half already have.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/fau...tates-n1287935

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Gave This "Essential" Omicron Update.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

[trfour]

Americans are understandably frustrated. When the vaccines became available, we were told we could reach “herd immunity” if 60 or 70 percent of Americans got vaccinated, meaning that most of the population would become immune, leaving fewer people to infect. Then that number started to climb. Soon, the discussion of herd immunity quieted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ip-ncna1288194

[trfour]

Pfizer vaccine for kids under 5 could be available by end of February.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...uary-rcna14347

[trfour]

FDA grants full approval to Moderna's Covid vaccine.
The vaccine, called Spikevax, is the second to receive full FDA approval in the United States, joining Pfizer's vaccine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...cine-rcna14237

[trfour]

As of January 8, more than 188 out of 100,000 unvaccinated people in LA were hospitalized with COVID-19, compared with 35 out of 100,000 vaccinated people without boosters and eight out of 100,000 vaccinated people with boosters. A January CDC study found that boosters reduced the risk of hospitalization from Omicron by around 90%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[John Mercier]

Wouldn't it be easier for them just to look at the status of those hospitalized specifically for covid-related issues?

[trfour]

Virus Expert Says Here's What Your "New Normal" Will Look Like
CBS just reported that, according to a recent poll, "70% of Americans polled agreed… 'It is time we accept COVID is here to stay and we just need to get on with our lives'." But how do we "get on" with life when there is a potentially life-threatening virus at large? "We are not anywhere near the end of the pandemic," said Dr. Ashish Jha, Dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, on CBS Mornings today—but he did say what the future may look like, and how you can stay safe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Though Covid cases and hospitalizations are falling fast in the U.S., two key metrics are still too high to ditch mask recommendations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ovid-rcna14587

[trfour]

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by trfour

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

If we split the governors into covid deniers and those who've treated covid as a serious threat, I'm pretty sure NJ is the only 'covid-serious" governor relaxing the mask policy in schools. The NJ policy does not take effect for another 4-5 weeks(?). So they are not saying the threat is over today, only that it looks like we can relax in a month or so. Let's hope they're right!

[thinkxingu]

Many NH schools have been mask optional all year, barring skyrocketed cases.

MA DESE rumor is masks going away 2/28.

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[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by trfour

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...c=U531#image=1

It will NEVER be over.... It will never go away! Anybody who thinks it will go away is a fool. We will just have to accept the "new normal" that is Endemic Covid. It seems, given the level of 'Covid Burnout"... America is rapidly approaching the new normal.

Woodsy

[John Mercier]

Not really.
People that are only listening to the news don't realize how bad it is getting.
Certain things that will need to die, just have not.

As they go through the labor issues... we will see it happen.

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Warned of Possible New Surge. Virus Expert Warns Not Enough People are Vaccinated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...n=true#image=1

[trfour]

States are beginning to lift mask mandates. CDC data suggests it's too early.
High transmission and test rates mean that more than 99 percent of U.S. counties should keep masking up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ts-it-n1288792

[thinkxingu]

MA DESE announced today that the school mask mandate will drop on 2/28.

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[trfour]

"Amid the confusion, USA TODAY asked a dozen public health and infectious disease experts whether it makes sense for people to continue to wear masks and under what conditions.

The answer, they say, depends on how much someone wants to avoid infection, the rate of COVID-19 where they live and who else is around them".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ma...edgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

Today is February 12, 2022 so it's been 5-months since I got my third Pfizer vaccination shot on September 12, 2021 at the CVS in Plymouth, NH. In the last month I was unable to get a fourth shot at either the walk-in, no appointment needed, State of NH sponsored vaccination facility at the former state liquor store in Ashland. The CVS on-line scheduling process was a no-go as well, and I got all three of my vaccinations at CVS in Plymouth, NH where the procedure was totally excellent with the Plymouth CVS people. Recently, the on-line CVS appointment process said NO to me when I tried to schedule a fourth.

Today's February 12, 2022 NY Times has a report "New C.D.C. data adds to evidence that boosters' protection against severe Covid plunges after four months." It is 11 paragraphs in length.

1st paragraph: "Covid booster shots lose much of their potency after about four months, raising the possibility that some Americans - specifically those at high risk of complications or death - may need a fourth dose, data published on Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest."

9th paragraph: "Protection against emergency department and urgent care visits declined from 69 percent within two months of the second dose to 37 percent after five months or more. Booster shots restores those levels to 87 percent."

So, I'm going back to the walk-in clinic in Ashland today, to try again for a fourth shot, and plan to give them a photocopy of this NY Times report. Will also try again with the CVS on-line appointment.

As you probably know, your CDC vaccination card has a fourth line for recording your fourth numbers and date.

Wish me good luck with this, my effort to get a fourth shot of the Pfizer! ......
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Maybe I'm incorrect but this Feb 12, 2022 New York Times report is probably free to read without a paid subscription.

[pondguy]

It could be time for a 4th dose. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...001838077.html

[8gv]

Call me "Pin cushion"...

[barefootbay]

Originally Posted by pondguy

It could be time for a 4th dose. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...001838077.html

Come on folks let’s stop obsessing about infinite booster shots and start living again. If you are fully vaccinated ( 3 shots ) let it go.

[John Mercier]

You get a flu shot every year... covid will more than likely end up like that.

With the very high GDP and very high inflation due to demand... I would state that people have been ''living''.

[trfour]

"As we get out of the full-blown pandemic phase of COVID-19, which we are certainly heading out of, these decisions will increasingly be made on a local level rather than centrally decided or mandated," Fauci told The Financial Times. "There will also be more people making their own decisions on how they want to deal with the virus."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fu...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Said This Makes You 97 Times More Likely to Die
The coronavirus continues to rage across America, even as cases peak or fall in certain areas. We are seeing more than 2,000 deaths a day. How can you stay safe? And who is most likely to be one of those dead? Dr. Michael Osterholm, an American epidemiologist, Regents Professor, and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, spoke on Chad Hartman's radio show the other day to tell you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Babies get Covid protection from mothers vaccinated during pregnancy, CDC says.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...says-rcna16306

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Important" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

[thinkxingu]

Dude, Covid's over.

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[trfour]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is reviewing its mask guidance, shifting its focus to Covid hospitalizations as a key measure of the severity of the outbreak and future guide for determining whether health safety protocols need to be tightened, according to CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...edgdhp&pc=U531

[AC2717]

just because mandates are ending, does not mean that those that want to still live using masks, and limiting their exposure cannot, I do not understand the big disconnect here

if masks work, and vaccinations work, those that want to follow these, still can and do not need laws to do so or not do so

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Deadly" Warning
This week, COVID-19 cases in the U.S. continued to decline. New daily cases are now down nearly 70% from two weeks ago. But the daily average of deaths is near the pandemic's all-time high. At the same time, the overall number of people who've died from the coronavirus surpassed 925,000, pointed out Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, who analyzed the impact of the Omicron wave—including the impression that it was "milder"—and issued a warning for how we should react to future variants.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...n=true#image=1

[trfour]

The WHO has long been cautioning countries against approaching the pandemic at a domestic level instead of a global one. Officials warned that highly-vaccinated countries will have a false sense of security if other countries have low vaccination rates because the virus rapidly spreading anywhere will lead to new variants that may be more deadly or evade therapeutics and vaccines.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...edgdhp&pc=U531

[John Mercier]

That happens a lot.
For small pox the US continued to vaccinate almost the entire population until roughly 20 years after the last case in the US.
It took a long time to rid the rest of the world of it.

[trfour]

FDA Eyes Second Covid-19 Booster Shot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/oth...edgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This Pleading Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...n=true#image=1

[trfour]

Covid-19 case counts are falling in the United States and many parts of the country are starting to relax.

Cities like Washington, DC, and New York are lifting vaccine mandates for many public indoor spaces. National public health officials are easing up, too. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now advises that communities with low levels of transmission can forgo universal masking.

As spring draws near, is it finally time to feel hopeful? Is it possible the worst of the pandemic is behind us?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news...edgdhp&pc=U531