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04-11-2020, 07:15 AM | #1 |
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Curious About Reported COVID-18 Numbers
I've noticed that Belknap county as of Friday, has only 21 confirmed cases and not all of them were hospitalized. That seems like it would be manageable number for our health care system. Also throughout the state the numbers have slowly risen but certainly there have been many recoveries which are not reflected in the reporting. Recovery time is two weeks for mild cases and 3-6 weeks for those that are critical.
It looks like we should be gaining but the media seems to paint the bleakest picture that it can. |
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NH is more rural than Mass, NY etc... so it logical that we have less cases, and that is especially true because of the shutdown in NH that is saving lives. The media is not over hyping it. Main street journalism is not fake news. Facts are facts.
I understand that a lot of small companies, restaurants etc., are not going to come out of this ok. Doubt many of use will come out unscathed. Especially because there is no end it sight. Vaccine seems to be the only way and that is at least 12++ months away. Until that day and until you somehow vaccinate 300 million ++ people thing are a long way from returning to normal. From the NYT yesterday, "In the first five days of April, 1,125 people were pronounced dead in their homes or on the street in New York City, more than eight times the deaths recorded during the same period in 2019, according to the Fire Department. Many of these deaths were probably caused by Covid-19, but were not accounted for in the coronavirus tallies given by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo during his widely watched daily news conferences — statistics that are viewed as key measures of the impact of the outbreak. On Thursday, Mr. Cuomo said 799 people in New York had died from coronavirus in a single 24-hour period — more than 33 an hour — bringing the state’s total to 7,067. But epidemiologists, city officials and medical personnel say those numbers are likely to be far below the city’s actual death toll. |
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On the two points in your post about the virus--it's a lot easier to stop this thing when there are just a few cases (see the articles on the first wave in Singapore and Taiwan), and as the other commenter noted, I'd expect the NH peak to be some time after the Mass peak (now expected on April 20 or so). All this probably bodes well for you to open before the Summer crowds. I really hope you can |
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I also read in a NH governor's report that NH is about 2 to 4 weeks behind Boston, which is expected to be about 2 weeks behind NY.
Most of the news seems to be NY centric. So remember, we may still be building up. Let's hope not and keep safe and home!
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MA has been averaging +/- 100 deaths a day for about the last 5 days
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Of course if we do not get back to work, and small business can reopen we are all going to suffer too. I cannot find the answer. From the Washington Post "The United States on Saturday has passed Italy for the most confirmed covid-19 deaths in the world, with more than 20,000 fatalities, a figure experts have called 'an underestimation.’ The news comes as Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, said he hopes for “a real degree of normality” by November." |
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We need to resume to normalcy ASAP. This is no worse than a bad flu season. A complete overreaction!
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Talk about a closed mind or a troll?
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From Barrons "“We’re getting closer,” President Donald Trump said on Wednesday. “We’re getting much closer to getting our country back to the way it was.” White House officials are reportedly pushing to begin reopening the country on May 1, though top officials, including Surgeon General Jerome Adams, have said that the target remains unlikely for most of the U.S. Opening the gates and telling the nation to go about its business as if Covid-19 were a mild flu is one option. A paper from academics at Harvard and Columbia universities, published by Harvard’s Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics, suggests that such an approach would kill two million people in the U.S. by the fall. |
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We need to follow Sweden's model, and get all Americans back working. If you or someone you love is compromised, then be careful, while the rest of us get back to work. |
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So just because Major (and many others) disagree with your position, that makes him a troll? Typical lame argument from the left. “We’re right, everyone else is wrong”.
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People are dying and the ENTIRE worlds governments are responding (albeit too slow in the US) The experts all agree that if we reopen too soon more will die that do not need to die. This is simply a fact. There is nothing to argue. What that does to the economy I doubt we can accurately predict. I fear just like anyone with a brain, that we would could end up in a depression but that is the price we will pay for China's arrogance in not dealing the virus when maybe it could have been contained. |
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There’s a lot to argue. The numbers speak for themselves, and the earlier models on which we based our decisions were wrong. There is a socio-economic impact to this. Like it or not, there is dignity in work. Most of our self esteem comes from doing well at our jobs. What we are experiencing now is the left’s dream - replacing the dignity of work with a government check. I am disgusted by our response to this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Major, many of us here agree with your take on this event. For me, patience is running thin. No time in history have we quarantined the healthy. Those at high risk should be the ones we protect under quarantine. I believe, this week plans will start to be identified that will allow us all to get back to living our life’s Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Were the earlier models wrong, or are data used to initiate the models different now due to social distancing? How many runs do they perform, changing the initial conditions to determine what different inputs have on the outcome? Looks like I need to find those modeling websites. I do agree that the economy needs to start running soon. Disagree that we should just turn the switch back on. Sent from my iPad using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app
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I was at Home Depot yesterday, and they seemed to strike the perfect balance: it's open but minimizing the number of people in the store and making sure people keep distance (floor markings) and employees are safe (gloves/masks/barriers). I'm wondering if that works for restaurants and other businesses as well: every other table, cleaning supplies available, shortened hours to thoroughly clean overnight... I'd be interested to know what the business owners on here think—I don't know that I've seen their opinions on their opinions for their businesses. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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So... maybe logic would dictate that every year we should practice social distancing, unless, of course, you want to accept a menial 46k-85k U.S. deaths per year! My point?- No, don't just accept a death count- If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem! |
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So, here's another way of looking at the "numbers". I will be the first to tell everyone that I do NOT get the flu shot. The numbers for the flu are also skewed (not trying to start another debate on that). But the numbers for the flu are for an entire year, not 2-3 months. So to compare the numbers of the flu and Covid right now just can't be done . As others have said, opinions are opinions. As I am telling everyone the best strategy is to take the info that is given to us and come up with your own gut instinct that works best for you. But in doing so you have to respect someone else's gut instinct be cause right now, there is NOright answer!!
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Models....
The modeling first presented show worse case scenario, no social distancing, then with social distancing at 50% compliance and this greater levels of compliance. The number of infected and deaths dropped substantially by the level of increased compliance.
The flue data is an annual number. If the worse case scenario (no nothing) projected 3000 deaths per day, that would be 180,000 in 2 months and would increase incrementality each month. So the good news is with social distancing the numbers are averaging 1000 deaths per day. That is 60,000 in two months or 180,000 in 6 months. I think it is much to early to state the models got it wrong. Also, as previously stated, China's numbers can not be trusted. In the U.S. people that have died in nursing homes or at home from Covid 19 or related causes are NOT being included in the numbers as of yet, although CDC has issued updated guidelines about death certificate completions. |
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Some folks get the complexity and enormity of this disease whilst others do not.
One analogy is the Black Death Plague of the Middle Ages. Scientifically, not the same. To some the consequences potentially could be similar. This disease began in November 2019 in China. Identifying it and naming it came later. Governor Sununu now has 30 Emergency Orders. He has access to information from his own staff. The scientific community. Other governors. And the federal government. |
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This is classic risk versus reward. We do it everyday. I know that it is way safer to sit in my garage typing this than it is to take an old motorcycle for a ride (which I will do when I hit send) or jump on a boat and head out on the lake to fish or go to an island home. I'm not saying I disagree with what we did, I agree. I am also fortunate to be able to work from home, but usually would be in the field 40%. We need to restart our economy in a measured fashion. |
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Start School N O W...(Major Announcement)
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Someone said this wont stop until we get a vaccine.... Well we cant even get people to give their kids "required" vaccines for school you think we will be able to the entire world to get a vaccine? Nope
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So it seems the argument is that the shut down is an over reaction.
These people have it wrong President Trump The Governor of New Hampshire CDC All Democratic Leaders Almost all Republican leaders All the doctors, nurses and health care professionals However a handful of people on this forum have it right??? If you want me to take you even a little bit seriously, point me to some medical doctors that agree with your position. |
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What happens to companies that did not shutdown...because they are essential.
Sure open things up. Let the death toll mount and then we all get to see what the USA would like if the virus spread unfettered. What is happening at Smithfield Foods is simply a "taste" of what would happen if we fully reopen.
From Time. "The world’s biggest pork producer is shuttering a major U.S. plant indefinitely after a coronavirus outbreak among employees, with the company warning that closures across the country are taking American meat supplies “perilously close to the edge” of shortfalls. Smithfield Foods will idle its Sioux Falls, South Dakota, pork-processing facility, which accounts for 4% to 5% of U.S. production, the company said in a statement Sunday. The move comes after state officials reported more than 200 cases of Covid-19 for plant employees, adding to a spike in infections that’s seen hundreds of American meat workers get sick. Plants have been forced to shutter or reduce output. “The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply,” Smithfield’s Chief Executive Officer Ken Sullivan said in the statement. “It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running.” If people cannot understand and extrapolate from what is happening at Smithfield Foods when they opine this is just a bad flu then they are simply ignorant of the facts. This is not a political debate, COVID-19 is an exestential threat that as of today cannot be stopped. Efforts to contain it are working and buying the doctors and scientists of the world time to work on treatment and a vaccine. |
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We know that no vaccine prevents any disease 100%. Not everyone will get vaccinated. However, the idea is if a percentage of the population is immune, it greatly lowers the chance of the virus spreading. The higher the percentage vaccinated, the less the risk of spread. Philosophically, it will be interesting to see the priorities established in who gets vaccinated first....the most susceptible ( such as the elderly ) or those of future generations ( the young who seem to be less susceptible or less likely to die)? Or, those deemed most valuable to society....health care workers, truck drivers, etc? Not trying to start another argument just too much time to think.
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My wife and I we're watching the 10 Commandments over the weekend. Charlton Heston (as Moses) made a somewhat timely speech, "The strong produce many, the weak produce few and the dead produce nothing."
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Also keep in mind that with covid, we are coming from the other direction in terms of the problem--we are not fighting to eradicate something very rare, such as measles or mumps; we are fighting to slow the spread of something rampant. So a vaccine that has a relatively low compliance rate will still help a lot. |
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When someone tells you they want to open the economy now, just ask them what their number of acceptable deaths are. Just give is a number.
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Open the economy?
I hear open the economy a lot. Just curious - what do people mean? Reopen all the schools, bars, restaurants, businesses, etc. on some predetermined day, say May 4? Is there a more gradual plan? Do we leave decisions up to individual business owners, school systems, and people to do as they please or is the government, federal, state, or local, in charge of setting parameters in place?
I'm curious to hear some concrete, tangible ideas, from just declare it a hoax and move on to clamp down even more until there are no more cases. |
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I am not a WWll vet, but try and see this from the point of view of General Eisenhower commanding his troops to take a hill, bunker,or the beaches of Normandy. The experts give him the number of expected casualties and he weighs the benefits of his action and he gives the go ahead. Trump must weigh the advice of his experts and make a decision. He wants to limit the casualties but he must win this war!
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We are sole proprietors and our business - and income - has come to a standstill. I am not retired with known monthly income. I don't live off of the profits of selling a business. I don't live off of a trust fund. What I do rely on is companies hiring employees as we are recruiters and we get paid only when we place someone with a company. It seems you have no problem with millions of people like me - or those worse off - losing most if not everything. You feel it's okay that I lose my business, my house, my Toyota Highlander and have to surrender my two dogs and two cats because I have no home? Not trying to be "sassy" - well, okay, maybe a little - but I am weary of the "let's force the majority of 328 million US citizens to sacrifice everything to save thousands." Do I want anybody to die? Obviously not. But there comes a time when life goes on and risks must be accepted - and those forced to sacrifice refuse to accept it any longer. And that time will be here before you know it. GB |
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So at the rate we're going, 10mm unemployed will result in 170,000 deaths. Far worse than deaths from the virus. Wake up America. I heard the Star Spangled Banner being played this morning as well. I've heard this countless times before, but the last line hit me today more than it ever has: "O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!" Right now it appears we are neither free or brave. Sad.... |
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Well everyone knows the ground rules now - keep your distance / wash your hands / wear a mask...
Seems to be working for places like Lowes / Walmart / Cumberland Farms/Mobile / Dunkin / Hardware stores / Liquor Stores... At some point this is going to have to be put into the hands of the public and small businesses to control and be smart about how they conduct themselves. School-wise > I would not be surprised if they never go back this year as it's starting to get near the end of the school year as it is. |
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What Massachusetts is doing is the exact opposite of what is needed! Did US media Panic drive their reaction? Put K-12 back in school--now. The reason? They're that one third of the population that needs immunity by acquiring the disease. By far, they're also most likely to survive the COVID-19 flu. Remember the "German Measles" parties? The workforce is composed of the people who drive this necessary economy and will need to shoulder this flu, just as they did in annual flus of the past. The most endangered are those 65 and older; worse, if they have typical "co-morbidities". They're the people who must stay in, must wash hands, and must not socialize. Yesterday, I broke my isolation: Traffic was surprisingly busy. With only one exception, everyone was wearing masks, including all employees. While not the best solution, I'd found a painters mask, glued a new elastic to it, and "looked the part". Pharmacies are out of antiseptics and masks. Groceries still stock no paper products. Thinking about it later, replacement elastics could be cut from clothing to keep "outdated" masks in use. In accord with the Florida governor's direction, a sign was posted at the grocery store saying, no one will check out without proof of residency. That, I noticed, had nobody to enforce it. This isn't the "disciplined" Japan or Germany, so they're not asking for "your papers" yet. The formerly acceptable yellow hurricane-return window-stickers, needed to enter the county after Hurricane Irma, were discovered to be mostly forged! New York, which "cooked their books", should wait, but expect communities to open up one-by-one. Texas and Louisiana have already started. |
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This of course is exactly the opposite of what every expert recommends--the premise of herd immunity is that we STEEPEN the curve. I'm pretty sure Boris Johnson also thought this was a good idea...
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Think of the pandemic as placing the USA onto a "wartime footing," where decisions are made to help ensure its citizens' survival above all else.
Yeah, our current response to the virus has temporarily hurt the economy but it is saving a heck of a lot of lives, lives whose value I believe eclipses 401-k growth. We need to be selfless, not selfish, in these difficult times.
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Today, shopped at Shaw’s in Gilford for the first time in three weeks. Half in masks (yes, wife and I wore them) most employees had them. But, the two young ladies bagging did not! One way aisle rules clearly marked and no one cared or was it enforced. Here, in the lakes region we just don’t care or fed up. Lowe’s was crowded. Not sure where we go from here, but starting to believe this will be a difficult summer season for those in the hospitality business
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I feel like a fact has been left out regarding the flu comparison. Even if COVID deaths stopped today in NYC, one in a thousand people living in the city have died. NYC has the densest population so it has the most difficultly slowing the spread, simulating what would happen elsewhere with no social distancing. One in a thousand across the US is 350,000 people, much more than a bad flu season. And of course deaths in NYC continue at a strong pace so that number could easily be a million. Not like the flu, not even close.
On another topic, every infected person is a potential breeder of mutations. We have to develop annual flu vaccines because it mutates. The same will happen with the coronavirus. We need to invent tools specific to this virus to be in a position to develop annual vaccines. We will be much better prepared in the future, but we are unprepared this first year. We need to keep the infection numbers down not just to save lives but to decrease the chance of potentially more deadly mutations occurring before we are equipped to respond. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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coming out today the washington model (which US was using and included social distancing) will again for the 4th or 5th time be reduced drastically.
less than 150 people on the Naval ship Comfort, and 1/10 of the ventilators "needed" are being used
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Dare County Emergency Management has set up roadblocks at all entry points to the county in North Carolina’s Outer Banks. Drivers must stop and present proof of local residency or other acceptable identification to gain entry. (Daniel Pullen/for The Washington Post) While the efforts initially targeted residents of New York, which has the most coronavirus cases, they quickly expanded. At local checkpoints for people entering North Carolina’s Outer Banks, police ask motorists for ID. Only those with a local address or proof of residency, such as a special resident permit or utility bill, are allowed to proceed. Same for one South Florida County, previously noted: Quote:
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Until COVID-19 came into th news, opioid deaths were the number one concern
and now there is no mention of the problem anywhere.Addicts don't stop using and I'm sure many are still dying so what's up? |
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No Bombings Involved...
New Hampshire's addicts are loaded with co-morbidities, so their deaths will be conveniently lumped-in with Wuhan-virus deaths. Fentanyl and carbfentanyl--also made in China--are brought in with Heroin from Lawrence, MA to fuel NH's addicts.
Also from Lawrence, meth produced by Sinaloa cartels in Mexico is purchased by NH cars circling parks in Methuen, Lawrence, and Haverill. Infant and child in "lab": https://www.eagletribune.com/news/ha...d6914a881.html Ann Coulter is non-PC, and has something to say about China + race, and the Times' insufficient reports on it, with a timeline of Chinese "insults" against the American economy: http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2020-03-18.html |
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Great point/question. The media typically goes all in on one story at a time. In this particular case, I would guess it's because those of us who are not addicts or related to addicts believe that we have nothing to fear from opioids (at least today or next week). But covid is at the door right now, waiting for us to let it in...
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Everybody hates China...while watching Chinese TVs, posting on Winni Forum using Chinese smartphones, wearing Chinese clothes...
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Amid all the China bashing, I don't get this sentence:
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Well, not totally. H1N1 has been tracked back to Mexico.
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As I understand it LRGH is closed to anything other than emergency and COVID-19 patients. It seems a shame that they are not doing any elective surgery since some of those operations are badly needed.
In many cases a person with mild Corona Virus symptoms is told to recover at home. Does anyone know how many COVID-19 patients are now hospitalized? |
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