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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

This is cratering the economy and jeopardizing my children’s future.


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You should have put the word "financial" in front of children since that seams to be all you care about.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Biggd

You should have put the word "financial" in front of children since that seams to be all you care about.

Hmmm...sounds very familiar to what schifty pencil necked schiff did during the weak and twisted attempt to bring our president down by impeachment. He delivered a diatribe that put words in our President’s mouth that were never remotely, uttered. Surely a democrat trait?

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Hmmm...sounds very familiar to what schifty pencil necked schiff did during the weak and twisted attempt to bring our president down by impeachment. He delivered a diatribe that put words in our President’s mouth that were never remotely, uttered. Surely a democrat trait?

We are all in this together and democrats and republicans are doing the best they can under the circumstances and their differing views. Without question people who are forum members will die from the virus...so maybe stop the name calling and bring back civil discourse.

[fatlazyless]

If you want to get a close-up look at people in Bergamo, Italy in hospitals really suffering from the Covid-19 virus ...... you can google ....... 'We take the dead from morning to night' ....... to see a March 27, NY Times photo-report without having a paid subscription and it has a lot of photos.

Is a real eye opener, and deepest, deepest sympathy for these suffering people in Italy .... it is truly terrible.

So, every morning when you first wake up, do you check your throat to confirm that it is working as it should? Is the throat still good?

Ok, so yesterday-middle of the day, about 1-pm, I'm in the Meredith Hannaford frozen food aisle looking at Marie Callender items, and one of the Hannaford employees, a guy, gives me an unusual, extra hard stare at me, couldn't figure that out at the time, and now I'm thinking I was too close ..... and was probably five feet away at the time while opening the freezer door.

You know, you think to yourself ...... like, what is going on here, did I just do something wrong?

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

We are all in this together and democrats and republicans are doing the best they can under the circumstances and their differing views. Without question people who are forum members will die from the virus...so maybe stop the name calling and bring back civil discourse.

Ya right...every time I look at the list that Pelosi and Schumer are trying to push through with a stimulus bill...ya sure...the democrats want to help themselves to a big juicy peach of bill that has nothing to do with combating the Chinese virus nor helping us “get together”
Just more of the swamp sludge sloshing around the capitol while the little guy is going down the toilet.

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Ya right...every time I look at the list that Pelosi and Schumer are trying to push through with a stimulus bill...ya sure...the democrats want to help themselves to a big juicy peach of bill that has nothing to do with combating the Chinese virus nor helping us “get together”
Just more of the swamp sludge sloshing around the capitol while the little guy is going down the toilet.

Maybe you are more educated than I on the difference between the sides. I know the Democrats do not want any aid going to *****'s business nor do they want to give away money to the cruise ships that are not registered in the USA and therefore do not pay taxes. So, why not educate us on what you see as not combatting Covid-19.

As for the little guy going down the toilet maybe you can articulate that as well?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

Maybe you are more educated than I on the difference between the sides. I know the Democrats do not want any aid going to *****'s business nor do they want to give away money to the cruise ships that are not registered in the USA and therefore do not pay taxes. So, why not educate us on what you see as not combatting Covid-19.

As for the little guy going down the toilet maybe you can articulate that as well?

Not answering for Hill but the fact is they are trying to push through 11 billion for the funding for the African Development Fund (ADF), the African Development Bank (AfDB) and the International Development Association (IDA).

Do you really think this is a time to "donate" that kind of money to foreign countries where so many of our own are out of a job or are going to be out of a job?

What does the Kennedy Center have to do with this pandemic??...and there are many many other special interests trying to be added or have been added to this bill!

Honestly can you tell me why on earth the bill should include ANYTHING but relief efforts for US citizens due to the Covid19 virus?...and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??

Dan

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Not answering for Hill but the fact is they are trying to push through 11 billion for the funding for the African Development Fund (ADF), the African Development Bank (AfDB) and the International Development Association (IDA).

Do you really think this is a time to "donate" that kind of money to foreign countries where so many of our own are out of a job or are going to be out of a job?

What does the Kennedy Center have to do with this pandemic??...and there are many many other special interests trying to be added or have been added to this bill!

Honestly can you tell me why on earth the bill should include ANYTHING but relief efforts for US citizens due to the Covid19 virus?...and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??

Dan

So, I did a quick google search and found something from FOX...who I sure many of the thanks come from loyal viewers. Here is what I found. BTW if you watched ***** he on TV endorsed supporting the Kennedy Center.

"[T]o put it bluntly, the United States will not be safe from this pandemic until the world is safe from this pandemic—without widespread access to a vaccine or countermeasures, cases rebound quickly when quarantines are lifted as has been shown in Singapore and Hong Kong this week," read a letter the CGD sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., last week.

The funding for these three international organizations was not an 11th-hour addition; it was included in the original Republican version of the coronavirus bill."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...al-development

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

So, I did a quick google search and found something from FOX...who I sure many of the thanks come from loyal viewers. Here is what I found. BTW if you watched ***** he on TV endorsed supporting the Kennedy Center.

"[T]o put it bluntly, the United States will not be safe from this pandemic until the world is safe from this pandemic—without widespread access to a vaccine or countermeasures, cases rebound quickly when quarantines are lifted as has been shown in Singapore and Hong Kong this week," read a letter the CGD sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., last week.

The funding for these three international organizations was not an 11th-hour addition; it was included in the original Republican version of the coronavirus bill."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cor...al-development

And what is it you didn't understand about my post when I said..."and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??"

Do you really believe only the republicans are adding the "pork" to this bill?...Do you really believe "your side" has clean hands in all this?? Your not that gullible are you??

Let me ask you this...do you or do you not believe that this bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens and nothing else?... yes or no?

Dan

[ishoot308]

Here is one of the best articles I have seen regarding the so called "Stimulus Bill".

It comes from the very left leaning CNN but this journalist put his political partisanship aside to put forth this very true picture of what is occurring in DC in regards to this pork filled bill...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/opini...llo/index.html

Dan

[garysanfran]

Hit the other children with you plastic shovels...

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Here is one of the best articles I have seen regarding the so called "Stimulus Bill".

It comes from the very left leaning CNN but this journalist put his political partisanship aside to put forth this very true picture of what is occurring in DC in regards to this pork filled bill... Dan

The journalist is Mark Corallo, a 54-year old Republican who "was the spokesman for Pres Donald *****'s private legal team during the investigation into possible collusion between members of *****'s 2016 campaign and the Russian Government." ...... Wikipedia - Mark Corallo ......


......he must have wandered into that CNN building thinking it was FoxNews, sat down and started writing ........ ???

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

The journalist is Mark Corallo, a 54-year old Republican who "was the spokesman for Pres Donald *****'s private legal team during the investigation into possible collusion between members of *****'s 2016 campaign and the Russian Government." ...... Wikipedia - Mark Corallo ......


......he must have wandered into that CNN building thinking it was FoxNews, sat down and started writing ........ ???

Thanks FLL for a useful and somewhat funny post!

I honestly didn't know he was a republican. I just assumed (my first mistake) that since he was writing for CNN...well you understand.

Either way he still wrote a factual, heartfelt and non partisan article on the crap going on in DC regarding the stimulus bill to which I agree fully.

Dan

[Mr. V]

I can understand the government wanting to help its distressed citizens, but why should any money go to corporations?

They don't vote, they can't contract the coronavirus.

Oh, and how in hell is the treasury going to come up with an extra two trillion dollars?

The national deficit mounts and nobody, but nobody, seems to care.

It's almost enough to make me think fondly of Bill Clinton: at least he knew what a balanced budget was.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

I can understand the government wanting to help its distressed citizens, but why should any money go to corporations?

They don't vote, they can't contract the coronavirus. Oh, and how in hell is the treasury going to come up with an extra two trillion dollars? The national deficit mounts and nobody, but nobody, seems to care. It's almost enough to make me think fondly of Bill Clinton: at least he knew what a balanced budget was.

Boeing has asked suppliers to prepare for a resumption of production of 737-Max by May, 2020.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/...-by-may-report

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Thanks FLL for a useful and somewhat funny post!

I honestly didn't know he was a republican. I just assumed (my first mistake) that since he was writing for CNN...well you understand.

Either way he still wrote a factual, heartfelt and non partisan article on the crap going on in DC regarding the stimulus bill to which I agree fully.

Dan

Hardly a non-partisan article. Unless you are leaning way to the right. His only non-partisan part was that both sides are true politicians doing only what is best for the party, not what is best for the country.


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[Descant]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

And what is it you didn't understand about my post when I said..."and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??"

Do you really believe only the republicans are adding the "pork" to this bill?...Do you really believe "your side" has clean hands in all this?? Your not that gullible are you??

Let me ask you this...do you or do you not believe that this bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens and nothing else?... yes or no?

Dan

I see many posts here that display a high level of emotion in their position. For those who are presenting facts, you cannot convince the emotional side with facts. Not To Worry took IShoot308's facts and retorted with a Google search that had nothing to do with the earlier response.

From an air traffic controller to a pilot under control: "I have a dog with one blue eye." FACT !

[Not to Worry]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

And what is it you didn't understand about my post when I said..."and I don't care what side is trying to push their agenda through, the bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens...why is that so wrong??"

Do you really believe only the republicans are adding the "pork" to this bill?...Do you really believe "your side" has clean hands in all this?? Your not that gullible are you??

Let me ask you this...do you or do you not believe that this bill should only include Covid19 relief efforts for US citizens and nothing else?... yes or no?

Dan

First which side am I on? I think we all know politicians are whores and do what they need to do to stay in office.. Having said that I believe they are doing the best they can in an impossible situation. To get a bill passed and to get it quickly passed had to mean both sides made concessions. I do not believe that there is any way to just isolate the USA so we are bound to look at al manners of aid that can directly and indirectly help us. I personally do not believe ***** is doing a great job...you may disagree or agree...it does not matter. I think what matters is some civility to each other as we all try to get through this. No?

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by Not to Worry

First which side am I on? I think we all know politicians are whores and do what they need to do to stay in office.. Having said that I believe they are doing the best they can in an impossible situation. To get a bill passed and to get it quickly passed had to mean both sides made concessions. I do not believe that there is any way to just isolate the USA so we are bound to look at al manners of aid that can directly and indirectly help us. I personally do not believe ***** is doing a great job...you may disagree or agree...it does not matter. I think what matters is some civility to each other as we all try to get through this. No?

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[Flylady]

Interesting read......some people contribute facts with references and others provide statements without contect or research.

H1N1: Did you know that at the outbreak it was concluded and later proven that the majority of the US and European population already had immunities due to the flu in 1960?

The relief package is an attempt to provide employers with money to continue to pay their employees even though the company is not taking in any revenue. Non profits such as the Kennedy Center, Smithsonian, and so many others employ thousands of people. The grants are being provided so that they can continue to pay employees.

Perhaps we should not be so quick to just take sound bites and react? Afterall, those that post the oneliner sound bites that are designed to anger and divide have a bigger objective than just your sound mind and health.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Some people contribute facts with references and others provide statements without context or research."

This was the main point of my original post. Uninformed tribal loyalty is what's going to kill us. People won't give up tribal loyalty even when their life is under direct threat. It's more important for them to win an argument and save face than to stay alive.

You can only protect yourself during a pandemic (war, natural disaster, etc.) by having the facts so you can make intelligent decisions. What is the extent of the current threat? Am I safe where I am? Is it safe to go outside? Would I be safer in another state or country? Is the threat currently increasing, decreasing, or staying the same? What do the experts predict is going to happen? What facts do they base their predictions on? What are they advising us to do?

My personal beliefs are far less useful for saving me right now than fact-based expert opinions. There is some divergence among experts, but it's not huge. There is more or less unanimous agreement that the COVID-19 crisis isn't going to be over in the next two weeks, that it's going to last many more weeks or months, that there's a good chance that it will return next season, and that it's unlikely that a vaccine will be ready in time for the next season.

In all the articles I've read that were written by experts (epidemiologists, doctors) or that quoted experts, none has ever mentioned their political affiliation. This is not about winning a political argument; it's about survival. Whether I'm a Democrat or Republican, I want to survive. For that we need the facts and expert opinions based on them.

We have no choice but to rely on experts, especially those who have closely studied the evolution of COVID-19 in other countries and can draw lessons from those countries, such as how China was able to significantly slow the spread of the virus and why Italy is on a disastrous course. There is no need to put blind trust in the experts if that makes you uncomfortable---the facts that they base their predictions and recommendations on are available online. You can either read the original scientific studies directly, or you can read summaries of them in trustworthy apolitical sources. Here's an article that explains the mathematics behind social distancing, for example: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/15/211803...ial-distancing

The question is whether people want to know the facts and whether they can understand them and make rational decisions based on them. None of those is a given. When this crisis is over it will be seen that ultimately it was human psychological tendencies that turned COVID-19 into a pandemic---the tendency to think that disasters happen to other people or other countries, the tendency to procrastinate, to hold onto beliefs that make us feel better or look better, deliberately concealing information for political reasons (China), our unwillingness to consider positions contrary to our own, and so on.

I'll gladly lose the political argument if it means I'm more likely to survive. Politicizing a virus is foolhardy.