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Old 04-03-2009, 07:49 AM   #1
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HA! I was there that night. Too bad one of them wasn't a town planner!
Took me 10 minutes to get out of the lot and it wasn't that busy. I think all the locals are being smart and getting used to shopping Thursday night instead of the weekend.
We haven't seen anything yet! I'm betting there will need to be a traffic cop there from Memorial Day through Labor day. You can't forget the people walking across to the Ice Cream place either. Someone will get tagged......
I still say Pi$$-poor planning by the Town of Merideth in allowing that store there!
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Old 04-03-2009, 08:07 AM   #2
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I still say Pi$$-poor planning by the Town of Merideth in allowing that store there!
October Farm? Harvest? or something. Plus there was Parafunalia, then a couple of dime/craft stores.

Its a strip mall, so it is clearly a permitted use for retail. How does the town stop that and leave the property owner holding the bag?
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Old 04-03-2009, 09:13 AM   #3
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First off this is no longer a strip Mall. It has a major anchor store. Parafunalia was barely used and it is why it closed up there. It wasn't a major traffic consideration. Secondly, because there is a lot more to it than just saying, go ahead you can do or put anything there. For one, the Major one, there are traffic studies...which obviously were brushed under the rug, I'm sure. Everyone was just soooooo excited to get a supermarket other than Jackson Star in, that no one considered, except a few, what the consequences would be. Now if someone gets injured badly there, I wonder if everyone will start asking questions? Or will, everyone just say, "OH well, we got our supermarket and that is all I care about." I think the traffic there will be enough to keep people from coming to Merideth as it is going to be known for its traffic instead of its charm. And you just wait until they put those roundabouts in.

I would suggest that anyone going to a Merideth town meeting start asking the questions now. Like are they going to start putting a patrol car on the hill coming in past the Irving, to start slowing cars down before they get to the mall entrance. 30Mph is already too fast for that section. It ought to be 15mph now.

But oh well we'll all just have to wait and see, and watch the police logs!
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Old 04-03-2009, 10:20 AM   #4
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Does anyone remember when Heaths had a store at that location? I don't remember it being too tough to get in and out of the lot but I could be mis-remembering. Also, since we had the store in CH we probably didn't go there too often, unless we were in Meredith for some other reason.
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Old 04-03-2009, 11:46 AM   #5
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Does anyone remember when Heaths had a store at that location? I don't remember it being too tough to get in and out of the lot but I could be mis-remembering. Also, since we had the store in CH we probably didn't go there too often, unless we were in Meredith for some other reason.

When it was there was probably overall less traffic anyways.
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Going down another rat hole, wait until the rotaries go in. You won't be able to get in or out.

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Old 04-03-2009, 12:40 PM   #7
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It's good we're having something to replace Jackson's Star to create jobs for the people who lost their jobs when JS closed.
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Old 04-03-2009, 01:57 PM   #8
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Living on Long Island I am happy to shop at Heath's and will avoid the "new" Meredith like the plague. The real loss to me is not being able to get to Rite-Aid,formerly Brooks Pharmacy, which is in the same shopping center. No real options without a lot more driving.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:33 PM   #9
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agreed no other pharmacy until you get to Laconia, so i will have to go there also , but will try to pick off hours
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agreed no other pharmacy until you get to Laconia, so i will have to go there also , but will try to pick off hours
to the Rite Aid in Ossippee. No traffic, no Meredith/Laconia traffic. About 20 miles from Moultonborough. Not much farther (if at all) than going to Laconia. A pleasant ride, too.
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I'm glad that shopping plaza is being revived. When we started coming up to the Lakes 10 years ago, there was an October Farm market, Brooks, Parafunalia, and Wardos, which was cheesy but fun. Last summer it was dead as a doornail.
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Went by there yesterday (off season Friday) at about 2 PM and the parking lot was nearly full!

What is needed is a diverter road from Rt. 25 to Rt. 3 somewhere up the hill from the High School.

....but I guess 25B sort of does that.
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Old 04-04-2009, 10:53 AM   #13
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75 to 100 years ago, a causeway road with a toll collector, built across Meredith Bay to bypass the commercial area, could have been politically acceptible. Today, such a suggestion would quickly get you labelled a looney-tune.

And, this is progress?
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75 to 100 years ago, a causeway road with a toll collector, built across Meredith Bay to bypass the commercial area, could have been politically acceptible. Today, such a suggestion would quickly get you labelled a looney-tune.

And, this is progress?
You would have been a looney-tune then, too. There was no reason to build it 75-100 years ago, and nobody would have used it.

No one would use it now - pay a toll to save 5-10 minutes?
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:37 PM   #15
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5-10 minutes? Now that there is funny. I've been stuck coming down the hill from McDonalds for 45 minutes. And down the hill from center harbor for over half an hour. 5-10 minutes....give me that on a Craft Fair day anytime! Oh and just forget bike week......
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5-10 minutes? Now that there is funny. I've been stuck coming down the hill from McDonalds for 45 minutes. And down the hill from center harbor for over half an hour. 5-10 minutes....give me that on a Craft Fair day anytime! Oh and just forget bike week......
You're obviously not taking the right back roads...
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It's good we're having something to replace Jackson's Star to create jobs for the people who lost their jobs when JS closed.
My recollection is that Jackson Star closed AFTER Hannaford's opened. So not, Hannaford's did not replace the lost jobs at Jackson Star, it caused them.

On the other hand, it is cheaper at H than at JS, and way more organic food, so that is a positive. But that doesn't change the causal relationship between old jobs and new jobs. The old jobs were lost because of the new jobs, not the new jobs helped recovery from the loss of the old jobs.

Anyone know the comparison between wages, etc. at the old and new stores? I imagine the wage bill is way lower at H, and that anyone from JS who now works at H took a substantial cut in pay.
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My recollection is that Jackson Star closed AFTER Hannaford's opened. So not, Hannaford's did not replace the lost jobs at Jackson Star, it caused them.


As much as I'm not a Hannaford fan, Jackson's Star caused their own demise by treating locals like crap for years with their inflated prices. Anyone who lost a job due to JS closing should look to none other than JS ownership for blame.
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Old 07-13-2009, 12:23 PM   #19
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Default Jackson Star vs Hannaford's

I always considered Jackson Star as a large convenience store, overpriced but sometimes handy....not a place to do any major shopping. Judgeing from 3 visits to the Meredith Hannaford store, they fall into the same catagory. I am fortunate that I can zip down route 3 to Shaw's for their specials and/or to the Gilford Hannaford store. I would guess that when the Meredith Market Basket opens ( wishful thinking ) Hannaford will adjust their pricing policy. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
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Default Wasn't there an EM Heaths there a while ago?

I seem to recall there was an EM Heaths where Hanaford's is now a while ago? I used to go to Jackson Star but love Hanaford's. I know there have been traffic police there this summer several weekends. Good food and good for local employment!!! I try to shop on weekdays or evenings to avoid the weekend traffic problems and not to add to them. Now it is OK because of the summer crowd numbers having left after Labor Day.
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My recollection is that Jackson Star closed AFTER Hannaford's opened. So not, Hannaford's did not replace the lost jobs at Jackson Star, it caused them.

On the other hand, it is cheaper at H than at JS, and way more organic food, so that is a positive. But that doesn't change the causal relationship between old jobs and new jobs. The old jobs were lost because of the new jobs, not the new jobs helped recovery from the loss of the old jobs.

Anyone know the comparison between wages, etc. at the old and new stores? I imagine the wage bill is way lower at H, and that anyone from JS who now works at H took a substantial cut in pay.
If you grind your "customers" for years and then get your clock cleaned by competition, you deserve it.
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We were up by the Lake August 15-22,and we went to the new Hannfords in Meredith several times. Nice market. Traffic was OK, although we did see a cop directing traffic once. When we started coming up to the Lake in 1997, there was an October Farm market in that plaza. I did not care for the Jackson Star on 104. Seemed like that shopping plaza was kind of old and tired.
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Before the movie theather? Am I wrong about that. It was a supermarket of some sort for sure. Never my favorite. I may try Shaws or Market Basket but usually I go to something nearer and now mostly go to Hannafords.
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Yes, Heath's tried their hand at the Hannaford's site many years ago. I may be wrong, but I believe it was development of the Jackson Star Plaza with the Green front moving there at the same time, that caused Heath's to withdraw back to Centre Harbor only. But why not use Heath's? They have excellent service, friendly employees, a reasonable amount of choices, and fair prices.
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The Market was actually at the opposite end, where Olympia Sports is now, and was called "October Farm". The location where Hannfords is now was a Benjamin Franklin (variety store), with Sports and Marine Parafunalia in between. That was the picture in 1992, anyway.
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The old shopping center with the Tape Escape, Ben Franklin, ParaFUNalia, Heath's Hardware, Phu Jee Restaurant, the previous drug store (not wrong aid), & Heaths Grocery-Oct Farm was easily a ten times better shopping experience than what's there now. Those were the good old days........!


That old strip mall may have been just a little shabby and down scale compared to today but it was a much better shopping go-to place. As time goes by the local owner stores get replaced by corporate multi-store chains. Is that a good thing?
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Hey FLL,

You have to give Hannaford's some credit. After your mention, they had a nice new bench out front about a week later.
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Good for Hannaford's for their bench!


Ever been to J T''s Discount on Route 104, New Hampton; about one mile east of Exit 23. That's a nice little, owner-op store!
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You can't walk out of JT's without finding something you can't live without. Nice mix of product and very pleasant people to deal with.
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First off this is no longer a strip Mall. It has a major anchor store. Parafunalia was barely used and it is why it closed up there. It wasn't a major traffic consideration. Secondly, because there is a lot more to it than just saying, go ahead you can do or put anything there. For one, the Major one, there are traffic studies...which obviously were brushed under the rug, I'm sure. Everyone was just soooooo excited to get a supermarket other than Jackson Star in, that no one considered, except a few, what the consequences would be. Now if someone gets injured badly there, I wonder if everyone will start asking questions? Or will, everyone just say, "OH well, we got our supermarket and that is all I care about." I think the traffic there will be enough to keep people from coming to Merideth as it is going to be known for its traffic instead of its charm. And you just wait until they put those roundabouts in.

I would suggest that anyone going to a Merideth town meeting start asking the questions now. Like are they going to start putting a patrol car on the hill coming in past the Irving, to start slowing cars down before they get to the mall entrance. 30Mph is already too fast for that section. It ought to be 15mph now.

But oh well we'll all just have to wait and see, and watch the police logs!

I was under the impression Parafunalia closed that location because the landlord got greedy and tried to jack up the rent on them. I shopped there a lot when it was there and miss it. I occasionally visit the Gilford store but that is a pain to drive to in the Summer.
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Why is there going to be a traffic problem at Hannafords? Because people want to shop there. It is a very good store and they don't charge "tourist prices". At least not yet.

We live on Moultonborough neck and a drive to the food store is always a long trip. Yea, Heaths is fun but there is a price for it. When you have to buy chow for the family, I mean real groceries, you need a high volume store.
Hannaford's gives us that.

If there is a traffic problem, and I know there will be one, it is because they are a providing a service that people want better than the previous store.

Typically we do a major food loadout in Tilton. Fill the freezer and the root celler and try to only buy milk and bread at the tourist traps. Sometimes we have to buy our groceries locally. Then we use our plan...

Our plan is to shop there and take a right by the movie house. Then we can take a right at the Meridith lights (maybe stop at NAPA for some cool stuff) and then take 25-B to Center Harbor.

I feel that Hanniford's is a good addition to the town.

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Weren't they planning to replace the light with a traffic circle? If they do you could go right out of the lot and use the circle to get turned around the other way.
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The circle isn't there yet......and won't be for a while.

And the traffic problem will be there because Parafunalia didn't have the amount of traffic coming or going as Hannafords does in an hour.
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