Proposed Law

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I did speak to one and he did not disagree. They performed the tests the way their politically motivated boss told them to.

Speed data collected by a clearly marked patrol boat in plain view will be lower than normal. Anybody care to disagree with that statement? How about Skip, he must have some incite into this.

In other words, no amount of testing can be done that would convince you speed is not a problem. Remove "clearly marked boat" from your sentence and substitute "stopped boat" or "guy standing with radar gun in boat" and your argument will be the same when the data shows that there is no problem. How do I know there is no speed problem on the lake?? Because I spend most of the summer on the lake and only occasionally see a boat going over 45 mph.

I don't know what sane political motivation would exist for a public safety official to lie about whether the lake has a speed issue or not. It just doesn't make sense and in fact, if I didn't know better, I'd say it sounds a little paranoid. I see no gain for the guy to lie or manipulate one way or the other.

That's what this whole SL campaign has been about, scare tactics, paranoia and exclusion. Time to stop this madness.........

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by ITD

I don't know what sane political motivation would exist for a public safety official to lie about whether the lake has a speed issue or not..........

How about a future job in the boating industry?

It is quite common for public officials to take high paying jobs in the industry they once regulated.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

...Anybody care to disagree with that statement? How about Skip, he must have some incite into this...

Gee, at least offer to buy me a beer before offering my "insight".....or did you want me to "incite" with my opinion?

[Resident 2B]

Skip,

Greart new avatar!

I believe that was an under 45 MPH accident, but with a clearly marked patrol car.

R2B

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Skip

Gee, at least offer to buy me a beer before offering my "insight".....or did you want me to "incite" with my opinion?

Stop by the island next summer and you can have two beers.

ieSpell can't offer me any insite about my spelling deficiencies.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

How about a future job in the boating industry?

It is quite common for public officials to take high paying jobs in the industry they once regulated.

That comment has been made before and makes a powerful statement which I do not think is true, but can cause irrepairable harm to his reputation and/or job as a public official. Unless you have solid proof of such intention I would not be so bold.

Honestly, what high paying jobs are available in the area that would he could obtain from lobbying for the speed limit bill to be tossed out?

If you'd really like me to ask, I will see his daughter and grand daughter tomorrow night

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by codeman671

That comment has been made before and makes a powerful statement which I do not think is true, but can cause irrepairable harm to his reputation and/or job as a public official. Unless you have solid proof of such intention I would not be so bold.

Honestly, what high paying jobs are available in the area that would he could obtain from lobbying for the speed limit bill to be tossed out?

If you'd really like me to ask, I will see his daughter and grand daughter tomorrow night

I was asked what would motivate a "public safety official" to oppose a speed limit. I gave a generic answer to the question.

It is you that is attributing my answer to a specific person. I am not sure which official you are referring to but assume it to be someone high up in the Marine Patrol or Dept. of Safety.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I was asked what would motivate a "public safety official" to oppose a speed limit. I gave a generic answer to the question.

It is you that is attributing my answer to a specific person. I am not sure which official you are referring to but assume it to be someone high up in the Marine Patrol or Dept. of Safety.

I think we both are pretty clear on who you are talking about in particular...This has come up before.

Originally Posted by Islander

08-17-2007, 09:34 AM #4
Islander
Senior Member

Barrett loses another round in his attempt to scuttle speed limits with an 8 year "Pilot Program".

I hope this doesn't effect any of those big money jobs in the boating industry he has been preparing for.

Originally Posted by Islander

When you go up against the boating industry, and administrators that are looking for future boating industry jobs, you need professional help.

Originally Posted by Islander

3. The MP leadership want the data to be low so the legislature will think a speed limit is unnecessary. Then these same leaders will have earned cushy jobs in the boating industry.

Originally Posted by Islander

I did not mean to say that all three options where true, just one of them. I think clearly the truth is number three.

And the above beauty pertained to Skipper's question/joke about corruption in the department linked below:

Originally Posted by skipper of the sea que

3. Corruption as a possibility. Hmmm what do you know and are you in the witness (or forum ) protection program?

Originally Posted by Islander

Barrett is not just a public figure, he is a political figure, makes a libel almost impossible. And I have a reasonable belief my statements are true, hence no libel. Plus he would have to prove my statement are false, he could only do that by never taking a job in the boating industry. As long as he is alive it is possible he may take a job in the boating industry, if he is dead libel no longer applies. There are more but what is the point.

I think 5 shots from your same IP address speaks loudly enough.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

"...The fast boats are not asking to restrict where the slow boats can go..."

Maybe this was missed:

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

"...Perhaps those that fear sharing the water with fast boats should stay within 150' from shore rather than extinguish other's rights.."

and...

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

"...It is quite common for public officials to take high paying jobs in the industry they once regulated..."

It's common in Washington—and reprehensible; in NH, it's the Order of the Day. The new law had a last-minute monkey wrench thrown at it by the dismissed Safety Commissioner Flynn (The Excessive-Speeding Study). What does the following Internet quote tell you about the NH Department of Safety and us little guys on the lake?

"...I also wish the best to Dick Flynn...I'll miss him, and the state will too...Whenever I had a client with an issue with Safety, I could call the Commissioner and have it fixed in five minutes or less. I can only hope that Barthelmes has the same command of the organization..."

and...

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

"...
I can tell you that I have found very well camouflaged kayaks on occasion with a lot less time to react than I care for..."

Here's camoflage...what's not to see?



If you can't see a kayak, can you at least see a kayaker?

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Guy

"...Although you won't be able to hear us, we will be cheering like crazy when you go by..."

He describes himself as "legally-mufflered". What other sounds (bell, whistle, horn) will he be unable to hear?

and...

Originally Posted by Woodsy

"...Extending a sunset clause quietly is usually pretty easy to do..."

What experience in this can you quote?

and...

Originally Posted by ITD

"...
3800+ boats is a pretty significant sample and should give a pretty clear indication of what is happening on the lake..."

Of those 3800 boats, how many counted twice? But were the fastest boats "in the area" really getting measured for speed?

"...'It is one thing to look at a boat and measure the speed, but if there are 15 boats in the area, it is hard to prove which boat had been recorded,' said Gallagher."

and...

Originally Posted by codeman671

"...The solid fact remains that out of 3852 boats less than 1% were speeding. That is hard to argue. I can spit out hypothesis all afternoon (although I bet MeenMac is already working on it )as to different calculations and formulas that apply but the main fact still remains. Speed was not an issue..."

Can you name ONE of the following sources that did not post a warning about Winnipesaukee speed zones? (Such as they were).

Scream And Fly
Extreme Boats
Boat Freaks
Hot Boat
Offshore Only
Winnilakers
Speed Wake
Baja Marine
Echoshores
Boating ABC
Donzi Registry
Weekend Pundit
NHBassFederation
BassResource
Sharkey Marine

[Bear Islander]

OK... I get it. This is the old "if you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger" routine we have seen so many times before. I have made several posts recently that have hit home and made sense, so now it's time to throw mud on me.

And as I have not done anything worthy of a mudbath, you blame me for what someone else has posted.

I have no idea of the internal workings of the Dept. of Safety. Who thought up the study? Who approved it? You are the one that insists on posting a name.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

OK... I get it. This is the old "if you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger" routine we have seen so many times before. I have made several posts recently that have hit home and made sense, so now it's time to throw mud on me.

And as I have not done anything worthy of a mudbath, you blame me for what someone else has posted.

I have no idea of the internal workings of the Dept. of Safety. Who thought up the study? Who approved it? You are the one that insists on posting a name.

Come on Bear, you said it, own it. I 'll give it to you that you were smart enough to not name Barrett or the other guy directly, but I got the drift. As far as "discredit the messenger", please don't start whining like some other prolific posters. Pointing out problems, exaggerations and embellishments in a message is not an attack. The proponents message is a moving target, duly discredited. It varies from every time I'm on the lake I almost get run over by a speeding power boat to it's the "wild west" out there. Both not supported by the now available statistics and a day spent on the lake. In fact, if anyone is guilty of "discrediting the messenger" it's you with your comment about these public safety officials taking a position to secure a "high paying " job.......

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

OK... I get it. This is the old "if you can't discredit the message, discredit the messenger" routine we have seen so many times before. I have made several posts recently that have hit home and made sense, so now it's time to throw mud on me.

And as I have not done anything worthy of a mudbath, you blame me for what someone else has posted.

I have no idea of the internal workings of the Dept. of Safety. Who thought up the study? Who approved it? You are the one that insists on posting a name.

Are you kidding me or has frostbite set in?

As ITD said, own up to it. It is clear what you meant to everyone else here. Why else would you just pull a comment out of thin air like that? No mud was thrown at you, if anything you were the one slinging it towards elected state officials without proof. My post regarding the IP address was merely indicating the exact sentiments from your area of the island. Friend? Neighbor? Family?